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Link Posted: 3/19/2021 12:38:59 PM EDT
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But they are all usable and do work fine in the garand.
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Some of those powders are different now.

Old H335 was a slower surplus powder, now it is a faster commercial powder.

H4895 was a Scottish powder, now the name is used for a different Australian powder.

Accurate Arms is now Accurate Powder and they were imported powders, now US-made powders.

Some of them just aren't great choices for accuracy.

IMR-4895 is very position sensitive in 30-06.

IMR-4064 is pretty much the same as it was.

W748 is decent with 150 grain bullets, maybe 168 grain, but the current Hodgdon version varies more than the older version.

BLC2 can act up and doesn't seem to do as well as 748 for a ball powder in 30-06.

The old surplus H335 load data is just dangerous these days with current H335.

Originally IMR-4895 /H4895 because old, pre-1976 IMR-4895 developed or 30-06, but Canadian-made, post 1977, IMR-4895 is a different powder.

Current IMR-4064 is closer to the original IMR-4895.



Link Posted: 3/19/2021 1:04:12 PM EDT
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Good to note, I didn't know that it was an older publication.
Link Posted: 3/19/2021 2:16:47 PM EDT
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The NRA had published the load data even earlier than the NRA M1 Garand book / booklet.

The book came out around the time the import laws changed to allow surplus firearms to be imported.

That was 35 years ago.

I know it isn't newer than 30 years old.

At the time, a friend worked at the Post Office and saw them in the mail and told me about them.

That was before the Internet.

Some people have posted the whole book (it's not a big book) on the Internet for free download and I think the NRA still sells it.

It has more about the Garand than just load data.
Link Posted: 3/19/2021 10:10:58 PM EDT
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The NRA M1 Rifle book first edition was 1955, then 1958, 1960, 1961, 1985, 1993 and 2005, which was the 9th printing of the 1993 version.

1985 likely didn't have Accurate Arms load data, so the load data is likely from the 1993 version and never updated since.

The book is still copyright protected, but some Russian book download websites have PDF downloads of the 2005 printing and it is usually around 34 MB (33.9 MB).
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 9:42:34 AM EDT
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I will look around for a download. It should be an interesting read, even if the data is off.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 11:16:44 AM EDT
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I will look around for a download. It should be an interesting read, even if the data is off.
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The NRA book is called, "The M1 Rifle."

It has history, maintenance, high power rifle competition, glass bedding and accurizing.

It is an interesting book.

It just hasn't been updated since 1993.

At least not the 2005 printing of it.

The NRA book that preceded it was called, "The Book of the Garand."

A larger hard cover book published in 1947 and January 1, 1948.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 11:28:20 AM EDT
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'The Book of the Garand' was written by Julian Hatcher, also author of 'Hatcher's Notebook.' Both are classics and excellent historical references. They should be on the shelf of every M1 owner's Gun Library.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 11:52:25 AM EDT
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'The Book of the Garand' was written by Julian Hatcher, also author of 'Hatcher's Notebook.' Both are classics and excellent historical references. They should be on the shelf of every M1 owner's Gun Library.
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Yes he published the book in the 1947 and then in Jan 1948 it became an NRA book.

I found it available online at a university library, but it requires a special program to download it as a PDF.

I'm having trouble installing the program in my old OS.

Link Posted: 3/23/2021 8:42:48 AM EDT
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How well does imr-4064 meter through a Dillon powder measure?
Link Posted: 3/23/2021 8:51:38 AM EDT
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How well does imr-4064 meter through a Dillon powder measure?
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I have a few different powder measures. Varget seems to meter better than 4064.
Link Posted: 3/25/2021 11:19:09 PM EDT
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Been buying a few pounds here & there the last few months.  Just now finally got around to loading up some for 30-06 using Tu-5000 & Tu-7000.  I loaded up a couple batches using data out of their book I got from Graf's.  I decided I'd load up some more using a different powder, when I was looking in the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, I found loads for Vectan powder listed.  


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Link Posted: 3/25/2021 11:31:10 PM EDT
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Been buying a few pounds here & there the last few months.  Just now finally got around to loading up some for 30-06 using Tu-5000 & Tu-7000.  I loaded up a couple batches using data out of their book I got from Graf's.  I decided I'd load up some more using a different powder, when I was looking in the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, I found loads for Vectan powder listed.  


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Good deal. Any 147gr data?
Link Posted: 3/25/2021 11:40:29 PM EDT
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Good deal. Any 147gr data?
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Doesn't list any 147 grain bullets but I think you should be able to figure out a load using the 150gr data.
Link Posted: 4/19/2021 3:48:53 PM EDT
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Have any of yall loaded 147gr FMJ using BLC-2.

I know its not the bets powder or bullet combo but it is what I have.

I had read on another forum that a guy stated 47grs was idea for him using BLC-2 with 147gr bullet but the Master Po list 49gr.

I have loaded up all my 150gr on hand and have about 300-400 147gr bullets.

Just want a reliable plinking load.
Link Posted: 4/19/2021 4:37:54 PM EDT
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Have any of yall loaded 147gr FMJ using BLC-2.

I know its not the bets powder or bullet combo but it is what I have.

I had read on another forum that a guy stated 47grs was idea for him using BLC-2 with 147gr bullet but the Master Po list 49gr.

I have loaded up all my 150gr on hand and have about 300-400 147gr bullets.

Just want a reliable plinking load.
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Start with the 49.0 grains.

BLC2 doesn't work well in 30-06 downloaded.

50.0 grains might be better.

Use CCI Magnum primers if you can.

Hornady shows a maximum load of 47.8 grains with a 168 grain A-Max bullet.

Here is supposed M1 Garand 30-06 load data from Hodgdon, but use extreme caution as it is not real load data, but computer calculated from their regular 30-06 load data.

https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/m1-final-data.pdf



Link Posted: 4/19/2021 7:00:11 PM EDT
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Have any of yall loaded 147gr FMJ using BLC-2.

I know its not the bets powder or bullet combo but it is what I have.

I had read on another forum that a guy stated 47grs was idea for him using BLC-2 with 147gr bullet but the Master Po list 49gr.

I have loaded up all my 150gr on hand and have about 300-400 147gr bullets.

Just want a reliable plinking load.
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BL-C(2) works great in the M1 Garand.  I have loaded 150gr FMJ-BT bullets using 48.5gr of BL-C(2) that was used in an M1 & functioned fine & was very accurate as well.  Loaded BL-C(2) for the M1 Garand with other weight bullets too with good results.  My Hodgdon manual No. 26 shows 150gr bullet starting load for BL-C(2) @ 47.0gr (2,693fps & 45K cup) with the max load listed @ 51.0gr (2857fps & 49.2K cup).

My Sierra 50th anniversary manual shows BL-C(2) using 150gr bullets with a starting load @43.8gr (2700fps) with the max load listed @ 50.0gr (2900fps).

My Modern Loading by Richard Lee shows BL-C(2) with 150gr pills starting load @46.3 (no velocity or pressure given) with the max listed load @ 51.0gr (2857fps & 49.2K cup)

My Barnes Manuals list loads for 140 & 150gr loads with BL-C(2), I'll give ya both to compare.  The 140gr starting charge is @ 51.0gr (2834fps) with the max charge listed @ 55.0gr (3056fps)  For the 150gr bullets the start load is listed @ 49.0gr (2751fps) & max load listed @53.0gr (2976fps).  It also has a separate load for 150gr XLC BT with the starting load listed @ 50.0gr (2848fps) & max load listed @ 54.0gr (3072fps)

My Lyman #47 reloading manual has BL-C(2) & 150gr bullets start load listed @ 46.0gr (2770fps & 44.6K cup) with the max load listed @ 51.0gr (2932fps & 48K cup)

All those different charge ranges for the same weight pill is one of the reasons I like to have lots of manuals to compare & then online sources too.  Like the Hodgdon website which shows 30-06 & one type of 150gr bullets using BL-C(2) with the charge range starting @ 49.0gr (2,759fps &39.7K cup) & the max load listed @ 54.0gr (2,962fps & 48.6K cup) for that one bullet & a start load listed @ 50.0gr (2,777fps & 51.3K cjup) & max load listed @ 53.5gr (2,915fps & 57.9K cup) for another 150gr bullet.

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-data-center?rdc=true&type=54


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