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Posted: 12/28/2011 7:36:45 PM EDT
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Today I received a M1 Garand with an attached scope mount and scope marked M84 telescope. The serial numbers on the scope, the quick detach scope base, and the receiver do not match. I don't see a serial number on the scope mount that's attached to the receiver. Is there any way to tell if this is a clone vs a M1C? How do I tell if the scope is original vs. a reproduction? Google-fu found the answer to this, I'm pretty well convinced now the scope is original as well the a G&H mount. Still don't know about the mount portion attached to the receiver or the gun itself.
Edit to add: I can see under the scope on the mount it says Griffin & Howe INC New York, Pat 1856549 May 3, 1932 edit 2: finally found a fellow to verify through the serial. The gun checks out but the mount seems to be postwar. |
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Yes, I found those two sights yesterday, however they are rather vague.
"m1c's serial range should fall in the 3,100,000 - 3,800,000 serials" "Between 1943 and 1945, 7,971 receivers in this range of production M1 receivers were assembled into M1C rifles". This gun is 32xxxxx so it looks promising, but the information provided above is not specific enough. I joined the Garand collectors association this morning ($25) and hopefully that will enable me to have the serial number looked up. At this point, the scope and mount on the scope are definitely real, I'm not sure about the mount that's attached to the receiver. It has three bolts/screws running into the receiver, but is missing the two pins that I see on the sides of all the mounts I see photos of online. I am looking into what the unfinished receivers that were modified after the war, pre-Korea would have used as a mount. If nothing else, it looks like I have a clone rifle and a real scope/mount. I will probably sell them all and get a 1903 instead, as I have a couple M1a's. I'd just like to have a confirmation it's a real M1C, or a real M1C with an aftermarket mount base as these will presumably do good things for the value. I also received a few interesting pistols among other firearms, a 1916 Luger and a wartime P38- it was a good day! |
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From what I understand the only way to prove a particular rifle was an actual M1D or M1C is either with military paperwork (very very rare) or CMP paperwork. Without either the best you can do is get an expert such as Scott Duff to state on paper that it "could have been" a M1C. Without paperwork there really is no way to know as the rifles were not marked to distinguish them from standard M1 Garands. |
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