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Posted: 11/28/2011 5:04:04 PM EDT
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Howdy Guys,
Well I ran across some 308 kits (minus the receiver) on sarco and it got me thinking. Where do you find the receivers? I looked but could not come up with anything. Also, how are these kits? I would love to have a 308 garand. Thanks |
| Dupage trading usually has some as well. You'll want an adjustable gas cylinder plug as well for 308. Unless the port on these is drilled wider than mil spec. Either way, its safer with the adjustable one. Obviously you'll need a barrel wrench, but I can't think of anything you'll need out of the ordinary, ie. vs standard 30-06 garand. The whole thing will be about 1/2 inch shorter, as the barrels were 30-06 cut back and rechambered. |
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Dupage trading usually has some as well. You'll want an adjustable gas cylinder plug as well for 308. Unless the port on these is drilled wider than mil spec. Either way, its safer with the adjustable one. Obviously you'll need a barrel wrench, but I can't think of anything you'll need out of the ordinary, ie. vs standard 30-06 garand. The whole thing will be about 1/2 inch shorter, as the barrels were 30-06 cut back and rechambered. Copy, Thanks. I have been wanting an M1 chambered in 308 and just happened to see these kits. I would really like to build it from scratch as I think that would be a good project but I currently have any tools for the M1.. |
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I see the Sarco BM59 kits, is that what you are talking about?
If so, you got $495 in the Sarco kit, then $195 in the CMP reciever, FFL, shipping, costs to have it assembled....etc...etc...buy a CMP field grade for $495 before the price increase. Spend the money you save for ammo. Just my opinion. |
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You'll have to headspace the barrel, so a finish reamer, headspace guages, receiver wrench, barrel blocks, a good vise, etc. It gets pretty expensive building an M1. Will the cut barrels time to a GI receiver properly? If the kit comes with barrel and bolt, I'd assume they were previously assembled together? 
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You'll have to headspace the barrel, so a finish reamer, headspace guages, receiver wrench, barrel blocks, a good vise, etc. It gets pretty expensive building an M1. Will the cut barrels time to a GI receiver properly? If the kit comes with barrel and bolt, I'd assume they were previously assembled together? Doubtful, since REAL .308 Navy GI Garands are worth a pretty penny. Designated Mk2Mod0. |
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You'll have to headspace the barrel, so a finish reamer, headspace guages, receiver wrench, barrel blocks, a good vise, etc. It gets pretty expensive building an M1. Will the cut barrels time to a GI receiver properly? If the kit comes with barrel and bolt, I'd assume they were previously assembled together? Doubtful, since REAL .308 Navy GI Garands are worth a pretty penny. These would be italian, ie. breda/beretta using USGI parts until they started making their own off our tooling, IIRC. |
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You'll have to headspace the barrel, so a finish reamer, headspace guages, receiver wrench, barrel blocks, a good vise, etc. It gets pretty expensive building an M1. Will the cut barrels time to a GI receiver properly? If the kit comes with barrel and bolt, I'd assume they were previously assembled together? Doubtful, since REAL .308 Navy GI Garands are worth a pretty penny. These would be italian, ie. breda/beretta using USGI parts until they started making their own off our tooling, IIRC. I knew the Italians made the BM59. Wasn't aware they had 7.62mm Garands too. My mistake. But still, with manufacturing variances what they are, it may be possible the barrel needs a quick dust with a reamer or set back. |
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You'll have to headspace the barrel, so a finish reamer, headspace guages, receiver wrench, barrel blocks, a good vise, etc. It gets pretty expensive building an M1. Will the cut barrels time to a GI receiver properly? If the kit comes with barrel and bolt, I'd assume they were previously assembled together? Doubtful, since REAL .308 Navy GI Garands are worth a pretty penny. These would be italian, ie. breda/beretta using USGI parts until they started making their own off our tooling, IIRC. I knew the Italians made the BM59. Wasn't aware they had 7.62mm Garands too. My mistake. I think they got the winchester tooling too. Bought a bunch of leftovers on ebay a few years back with wide ears. I'd kill for a navy garand. 
ETA: Yeah, might be best served with the headspace guages. Although you might end up looking for a longer bolt for a long time. |
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Howdy Guys, Well I ran across some 308 kits (minus the receiver) on sarco and it got me thinking. Where do you find the receivers? I looked but could not come up with anything. Also, how are these kits? I would love to have a 308 garand. Thanks Be prepared to brush up on your ranting skills if you buy one of those kits. I have built 2 308 Garand rifles on those kits in the last month or so & will start a 3rd shortly. Most of the barrels were way to long on headspace for 308 & only 2 out of 9 came within safe acceptable headspace around 1.635 to 1.636. Good enough for nato spec. surplus but you could have serious problems depending on the receiver, barrel & bolt combo. Also be prepared to exchange many barrels till you get one that will work or have a large supply of bolts to check. That means excess shipping cost to get a good barrel. BTW, the parts themselves looked real good but the barrel will most likely be problematic. . |
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I see the Sarco BM59 kits, is that what you are talking about? If so, you got $495 in the Sarco kit, then $195 in the CMP reciever, FFL, shipping, costs to have it assembled....etc...etc...buy a CMP field grade for $495 before the price increase. Spend the money you save for ammo. Just my opinion. I have looked into the CMP M1's but I want a gun in 308. This is why when I ran across these kits they caught my attention! When is the CMP price increase taking place? And how much are they going up? |
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There are several good armorers who build Garands today using real USGI receivers. They will almost all build you one in .308. No problem. No need to buy SA Inc's junk. How do they make them? Can they transform a standard 30-06 gun to the 308, fairly easily? |
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There are several good armorers who build Garands today using real USGI receivers. They will almost all build you one in .308. No problem. No need to buy SA Inc's junk. How do they make them? Can they transform a standard 30-06 gun to the 308, fairly easily? Here's one way. Buy the CMP M-1. A field grade. Ship to shuff's parkerizing. Barrel swap is $240 plus shipping, including a new criterion 308 barrel. No parts modded, just need an adjustable gas cylinder plug, and you're good to go. 
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There are several good armorers who build Garands today using real USGI receivers. They will almost all build you one in .308. No problem. No need to buy SA Inc's junk. How do they make them? Can they transform a standard 30-06 gun to the 308, fairly easily? Here's one way. Buy the CMP M-1. A field grade. Ship to shuff's parkerizing. Barrel swap is $240 plus shipping, including a new criterion 308 barrel. No parts modded, just need an adjustable gas cylinder plug, and you're good to go. Not bad. I like.... 
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There are several good armorers who build Garands today using real USGI receivers. They will almost all build you one in .308. No problem. No need to buy SA Inc's junk. How do they make them? Can they transform a standard 30-06 gun to the 308, fairly easily? Here's one way. Buy the CMP M-1. A field grade. Ship to shuff's parkerizing. Barrel swap is $240 plus shipping, including a new criterion 308 barrel. No parts modded, just need an adjustable gas cylinder plug, and you're good to go. I'm thinking of going that route. Plan on sending in my cmp order this coming week. I was going to have Fulton do the work but I saw the link to Shuff's in the tacked "so you want an M1" thread and see that his prices and turn around times are way better. Not sure if I'll go with the mini G or not stupid question, Shuff's does return the original barrel right? |
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There are several good armorers who build Garands today using real USGI receivers. They will almost all build you one in .308. No problem. No need to buy SA Inc's junk. How do they make them? Can they transform a standard 30-06 gun to the 308, fairly easily? Here's one way. Buy the CMP M-1. A field grade. Ship to shuff's parkerizing. Barrel swap is $240 plus shipping, including a new criterion 308 barrel. No parts modded, just need an adjustable gas cylinder plug, and you're good to go. I'm thinking of going that route. Plan on sending in my cmp order this coming week. I was going to have Fulton do the work but I saw the link to Shuff's in the tacked "so you want an M1" thread and see that his prices and turn around times are way better. Not sure if I'll go with the mini G or not stupid question, Shuff's does return the original barrel right? Uh...I think if you get a mini g he will credit the barrel towards the cost of the conversion. With a regular 308 I'm not sure. I would guess so. |
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Just FYI springfield makes a .308 M1 aswell as these guys http://shuffsparkerizing.com/complete-rifles/ They do? Can I get a link? he just gave you one. Here's my 308 mini g, for inspiration... http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm15/jdubya87/IMG_1948.jpg You have got to QUIT posting that thing!! You're going to cost me too much money if you do.... I love it and am envious every time you post it. |
| I have built afew Garands in 308 and 3006.I build my tankers to look like the t 26. The mini G is nice buyt I like the little handguard. Imo I think it looks better too.The t-26 tanker mini G are fantastic shooters in 308!Getting the barrel indexed right is the hard part.I used a 3/32 drill bit to open up the gas port to..096 works fine.You can get the rerciever wrench from midway and barrel vise from the CMP.If you decide to build it buy some books on building garands it will help you alot!When you build your first Garand there will be more.Ifou come across a us goverment Garsnd reciever wrench BUY IT! Also you can use the tools to build m-14-m1a rifles too. you need a digital angle finder or machinist bubble leval to index barrels |
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