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Posted: 2/22/2011 4:30:26 AM EDT
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why some folks don't think much of the new Springfield M1A1 standards or scout rifles? I heard somebody tell me they were not accurate at all. Who has one of these and what is the real story? |
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I have a loaded Standard and a Scout. Both shoot better than I'm capable of and have been trouble free!!! The whiners and naysayers probably represent a miniscule percentage of Springfield owners.  I have a standard M1A and a Scout, both have thousands of rounds with zero malfunctions. Both are super accurate. Most of the bad stuff you hear is lies made up by people who just want to the internet hero of the moment with the latest dirt on some product. |
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I guess it's because SA's pile of USGI parts dried up, so they started using non-USGI parts when they had to. And, as you know, anything that is not USGI is automatically inferior and will cause a catastrophic malfunction in a firearm resulting in a rift in space, similar to dividing by zero.
My M1A that I bought in `99 still runs fine. |
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For what it's worth, I have a 1994 vintage SAI standard that is scary accurate with mostly GI parts. I also have a custom LRB that is scary accurate as well and is built with GI or better parts that were new from the start. The actions on both are smooth as silk. There's quality built into both of those rifles. I went to Cabela's last summer and handled a SOCOM II and the action was extremely gritty and stiff. There was a noticable difference. The simple fact is that staff at SAI chages hands from time to time and there are QC issues when finding new suppliers of parts. The complaints you see are from rifles after Y2K and above the 100k serial number range.
I have seen guys at the range with rough actions and over-indexed barrels. One individual was having a hard time hitting paper and kept adjusting his rear sight. I asked "Let me guess, you are hitting far to the right." "Yup, I sure am." "Need an allen wrench?" "Sure." "let me save you some time, move the front sight all the way to the right." "Are you sure?" "Yup, I'm sure" What do you know, the rifle hit center..... While this seems nit-picky, the little things really add up to speak volumes for the quality of the build. My LRB doesn't have a warranty but I don't expect to have any problems with it for as long as I own it. I don't think I'll ever have to use my SAI warranty either. Different test fired a very recent manufacture SAI and his report was very positive. The "problems" that SAI was going through in recent years may have been addressed but we still need to wait for reports from new owners. Tony. |
| Because Springfield has had some notable quality control issues in the last few years. I have seen them firsthand, had to send one firearm back for service in fact. It really pisses me off when you spend $1,500 or more for something and it doesn't fucking work like it's supposed to. Yea, I know, that's just "walking around money" to all the Arfcommers that drive Ferraris and fuck super models but for some of the rest of us it's real money and we deserve a better product than the slopped together don't give a shit stuff that Springfield has been churning out. |
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Because Springfield has had some notable quality control issues in the last few years. I have seen them firsthand, had to send one firearm back for service in fact. It really pisses me off when you spend $1,500 or more for something and it doesn't fucking work like it's supposed to. Yea, I know, that's just "walking around money" to all the Arfcommers that drive Ferraris and fuck super models but for some of the rest of us it's real money and we deserve a better product than the slopped together don't give a shit stuff that Springfield has been churning out. Do you own a car or truck? Does it come with a warranty? Ever had to use it? That is because things break, and no one is perfect. By the way I do not own a M1A. Mine is a forged Chinesse reciever with all TRW parts, and NM parts. |
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Do you own a car or truck? Does it come with a warranty? Ever had to use it?
Yes, yes and no. AND, my cars aren't a 60+ year old fucking design.They change things on them and so, yes, there are problems that are unforeseen etc..... I can guarantee you that if they were still making the same engines and putting them in cars that they were when the M14 was adopted they would be PERFECT by now! The Impala of 1958 shares one thing with the Impala of 2011- a NAME! The rifles should in theory be 99% compatible or more. There's simply no excuse for it. |
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Do you own a car or truck? Does it come with a warranty? Ever had to use it?
Yes, yes and no. AND, my cars aren't a 60+ year old fucking design.They change things on them and so, yes, there are problems that are unforeseen etc..... I can guarantee you that if they were still making the same engines and putting them in cars that they were when the M14 was adopted they would be PERFECT by now! The Impala of 1958 shares one thing with the Impala of 2011- a NAME! The rifles should in theory be 99% compatible or more. There's simply no excuse for it. No they are about a 110 year design. They still all have pistons, valves, ing of some type and they still give problems. If they worked perfect they would not EVEN need a warranty would they? |
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Not really. An M1a is really nothing more than a semi auto M14 with a few very modest differences. M14 parts, made almost 60 years ago will fit on a "new" M1a-they are IDENTICAL for all intents and purposes. There is not one piece from a 1958 Impala that would fit on a 2011 model, not one. Are they both cars? Sure but that's like saying that a Springfield 03 is the same as an M1a, they both have bolts and barrels and sights and stocks etc.....and NOTHING in common other than they will both fire a cartridge.
Springfield has been making the M1a for nearly 30 years now, there is simply NO excuse for turning out a product with the number of problems they have on such a mature design. It's not like they came up with some really new, improved and untested design for the bolt or the op rod etc..... |
The fact of the matter is they're all made by humans. Humans have bad days sometimes. Be it they select the wrong raw material, they don't change a tool on time they don't set the machine up correctly, or the heat treater practices bad lot control. Thousands of possibilities as to how something can be made incorrectly and only one way to do it all correctly make it a miracle anything ever works correctly out of the box.
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The fact of the matter is they're all made by humans. Humans have bad days sometimes.
Indeed they do. This is why Quality Control practices are important. Sure, the guy torquing barrels could have a bad day, maybe they got some bad barrels..... (but then they make a gauge to tell you if the sights are within spec...you would think a manufacturer would own one) his fuck up though should be caught be the guy who is test firing or doing final inspection. I shit you not I found a Springfield M1a, in a store, brand new gun, with NO rear sight aperture. How the hell does that happen?You can't remove it without taking the sight apart, so that means it left the factory that way-nobody took a screwdriver to a store and pulled a sight apart in front of God and Country. |
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