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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - DPMS LR .308 or Springfield M1A (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/15/2009 8:32:40 AM EDT
| I have a DPMS LR .308 on hold at a local shop. It is the last one and is brand new. They also have a brand new Springfield M1A "loaded." Price is within $200. The DPMS comes with a Leupold sight which brings it's price up. I want the .308 for anything from simple shooting from 100 - 350 yards and potential western hunts on deer sized game. The price is not the issue. I have fired the M1A on many occasions and like it. I have a DPMS AR15 and it is a fantastic weapon. I know of some issues with availability of replacement parts for the M1A. Please, if anyone has some input on which they like more and issues with these two weapons, please let me know. |
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Please don't take no offense when I will take the opinion of a Canadian Soldier who used the AR-10 in combat over yours. Don't you see the irony in this statement. I similar light a whole bunch of us who have use the M16 series in combat, that it worked well and the improvements that the XCR guys claim weren't all that necessary, but guys who have never used the XCR in combat were right because of the claimed improvements to the XCR. |
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Please don't take no offense when I will take the opinion of a Canadian Soldier who used the AR-10 in combat over yours. Don't you see the irony in this statement. I similar light a whole bunch of us who have use the M16 series in combat, that it worked well and the improvements that the XCR guys claim weren't all that necessary, but guys who have never used the XCR in combat were right because of the claimed improvements to the XCR. Please allow me to clarify. His sig says "Friends don't let Friends buy Armalite". This sig indicates to me the AR-10 are crap, and I just don't agree with that, especially since they are raved about by veterans who have used them in Theater. I will take these veterans word over that sig line. The AR is a fairly reliable platform and I believe good enough, will probably be still in Service for at least 20 years. I for one don't think the Army really needs to replace the M4 until something significantly better comes along. I don't think we should spend the money to replace Millions of AR's for slight improvement. As long as we keep the weapons clean and control our rate of fire (talking about FA AR's here), the AR will do it's job. (However, I would like to see Special Ops and SOCOM get some HK416/HK417 or SCAR-L/SCAR-H). Big Army gets the AR for about $400 each, so money vs. performance plays a big part. I can't justify Big Army spending 2 times as much for features they might not need. If Big Army has to settle for the M4 does that mean I have to? I can't have other weapons in my arsenal? I will take a LWRC SABR, SCAR-H, and XCR-M, over a AR-10 any day. Just because Big Army can't justify the spending does not mean I have to follow them. I know better when I see it, and the XCR is better. For me I will take a weapon that runs cleaner and cooler, a weapon that has quick barrel change option, and weapon that has the charging handle where it should be (for me at least), a weapon with a folding stock option, and a weapon where caliber changes are done on the fly.... over one that does not have any of these features. However, this is a moot point at this moment because the XCR-M, SCAR-H, and LWRC are not even available yet. The AR-10 in a semi-auto SASS role is perfect. Semi Auto means you won't generate the heat like you would a carbine in suppressive fire role. The AR-10 is a fine weapon and is also "good enough". |
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As much as I love the M1A, I would suggest that you go with the LR-308. Being a modular weapon system you can get a match grade trigger and install it yourself easily and relatively cheaply. Also you can swap uppers to change calibers from .243 up to .450 marlin, and probably more to come in the future. Another reason I picked the LR-308 over the M1a is that I can install a bull barrel up to .920 diameter in a free float tube and get accuracy that would be very hard ($$$$) to match in an M1A. One other feature is that scopes are easy to mount and premium mounts are very modest compared to a decent M1A scope mount.
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Its simple (to me at least) DPMS makes a 308 so I refer to it by its company given name, same for the RRA 308, Knights is the SR-25, and so forth. I call it whatever they designate it, if Armalite is what I am referring to, its an AR-10, or AR-180b etc. I know new people come here and MORE then enough members can attest to me assisting them, kindly and in a professional manner, but when one comes here and says in some way , shape or form "ill call any 308 an AR-10 if I want", doing so incites some people, lets face it, it gets tired. Again, I think its simple, but maybe I am in the minority here. My fault, I should learn how to more politically correct. If the majority, as well as the boss himself, wants only Armalite AR-10 to be called AR-10 then I should comply. When in Rome do as the Romans do right? I am just happy IBM does not own the rights to the word "computer", or Ford owns exclusive rights to the word "car", or Olympic Arms own the exclusive rights to the word "AR-15". From now on, I'll only say AR-10 if I am talking about Armalite. I'll use .308 AR for everything else. 
Sigh, Do not read my answer to your question as a bright line rule of what to do, you asked, I answered. Again, let me be clear, I do not care what you call a 308 AR or AR-10, your free to do so at your own will all the live long day. YOU asked and I replied as to how I HOW I APPROACH IT and how it keeps things clear. Do not ask a question and then turn my answer to your question around into a circular argument with me, because I most assure you, your going to be beyond your skill set... Again, feel free to cal it whatever suits you but do not get bent out of shape and post "whah whah " when someone corrects you for improper nomenclature, pretty simple or so I think. If you deviate this thread further about nomenclature Im sending it to staff, simple. Get back on topic or just do not post. |
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As much as I love the M1A, I would suggest that you go with the LR-308. Being a modular weapon system you can get a match grade trigger and install it yourself easily and relatively cheaply. Also you can swap uppers to change calibers from .243 up to .450 marlin, and probably more to come in the future. Another reason I picked the LR-308 over the M1a is that I can install a bull barrel up to .920 diameter in a free float tube and get accuracy that would be very hard ($$$$) to match in an M1A. One other feature is that scopes are easy to mount and premium mounts are very modest compared to a decent M1A scope mount. Just my $.02 For the money, the DPMS LR-308 (and AP-4 for that matter) has been getting get results. If you do a search one user is getting fantastic groups with Gold Medal Match and his AP-4. |
| To the OP. If you're considering a western hunt go with the lightest, handiest rifle. Speaking for myself I don't like bulky 308 sized AR's and prefer the ergonomics/balance of the M1A much better. As for brands.....my signature line is a hint of my experience with Armalite and their "customer service". |
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To the OP. If you're considering a western hunt go with the lightest, handiest rifle. Speaking for myself I don't like bulky 308 sized AR's and prefer the ergonomics/balance of the M1A much better. As for brands.....my signature line is a hint of my experience with Armalite and their "customer service". Please don't take no offense when I will take the opinion of a Canadian Soldier who used the AR-10 in combat over yours. As for my own findings: - I find a Garand more balanced than a M1A. So if I was going Irons only I would chose a Garand. - I really can't comment on DPMS, but so far I have only heard good things about them. - I love my 2 AR-10's (one is 20" one is 16'), both have been flawless from the get go. Feels just like an AR-15 but oh man, that kick lets you know you are shooting something bigger and better. - I love AR-10 mags, I find them and USGI M14 mags to be the best of all the battle rifle mags (AR15/G3/SR-25/FAL). Thick sheet metal, lots of spot welds, and silky smooth spring, - You can easily add nice Rails (Samson, DD, Larue) to an AR-10 (yes Armalite) and it is fairly cheap. To put a M1A in a Sage or Troy stock and configure it the way you want, you are looking at least $700. The .308 AR's will also be lighter. - I don't know what rail options there are for a DPMS - You can easily scope an AR-10 and it will cost you nothing to scope the AR-10 (other than the cost of scopes and rings). You can't say that about a M1A, there is no flat top to mount a scope to. Quality M1A scope mounts are expensive and even the best of them such as Sadlak or Smith will come loose. The Receiver on the M1A just wants to twist the mount loose. Also the scope mounting hole on a M1A is very shallow with few threads so it is very hard to get a secure and stable platform. - Inexpensive Quality M14 parts are not available anymore. It will be much cheaper to replace worn parts on the .308 AR. |
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Why is this in this forum? Neither choice is an AR10. Wah Wah Technically neither is the current Armalite AR-10. It is only AR-10 by name. To me, any AR type weapon that shoots a .308 is an AR-10. If I had to just have one choice, I would chose the DPMS. That is if both weapons are reliable from the get go. |
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If you do some searching or reading, you will find that this question or something similar gets asked about every other week.
Buy AR10 or Keep M1A? Which one? DPMS 308 or Socom 16 Why take a M14 over an AR15? Some answers are based on personal preference or opinion, some are actually based on the facts and function of the 2 different platforms. Larry, this is the Variant Forum, not the Armalite Forum. Yes a DPMS is not an AR-10, but I don't think that you are ever going to win that battle! 
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Why is this in this forum? Neither choice is an AR10. Wah Wah Technically neither is the current Armalite AR-10. It is only AR-10 by name. To me, any AR type weapon that shoots a .308 is an AR-10. If I had to just have one choice, I would chose the DPMS. That is if both weapons are reliable from the get go. Nomenclature is required in some professions, maybe not yours but the AR-10 is a mark of Armalite alone. You do not have to get it right, but DO NOT act sore when your corrected. Its tech discussion, so if you use an INCORRECT term, be prepared for the proper one to be delivered. It is all fine and good if thats what it is "to you" but despite your best efforts, your wrong. Call any and all 308 AR-esque rifles an AR-10 you like, but brace yourself, more then just LarryG will let you know, your mistaken. I'm not going to mess with a back and forth thread with you going off topic in here too. You've gotten ALL the informal warnings from me I will issue anyone (and ask around Im more then fair in these parts). Get right. |
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Nomenclature is required in some professions, maybe not yours but the AR-10 is a mark of Armalite alone. You do not have to get it right, but DO NOT act sore when your corrected. Its tech discussion, so if you use an INCORRECT term, be prepared for the proper one to be delivered. It is all fine and good if thats what it is "to you" but despite your best efforts, your wrong. Call any and all 308 AR-esque rifles an AR-10 you like, but brace yourself, more then just LarryG will let you know, your mistaken. I'm not going to mess with a back and forth thread with you going off topic in here too. You've gotten ALL the informal warnings from me I will issue anyone (and ask around Im more then fair in these parts). Get right. I will keep this technical. I love Armalite AR-10's. I have 2 myself and though I love all guns, the AR-10 is slowly becoming my favorite of all my guns. I myself would recommend an Armalite over both a M1A and DPMS. Here are some reasons why and some other tidbits: - Armalite owns the AR-10 names. Everyone can call their rifle a AR15, but only Armalite is allowed to call their rifle an AR-10. They legally own the name AR-10. Yes it is retarded I know, but if you like to call a non-Armalite .308 an AR-10 like I do, you better go buy some armor or learn to take cover. There are legions of Armalite Fanboys out there, these guys take turns pulling guard duty on all the forums, when someone comes out and call a non-Armalite .308 an AR-10, expect to get a lashing like that kid who spray painted the walls in Singapore. Armalite legally has such a hold on the name, that Rock River Arms had to change the name of their .308 AR from LAR-10 to LAR-8! - DPMS .308's uses KAC SR-25 mags. - Armalite AR-10's uses modified M14 mags. - RRA .308 uses FAL mags. - Noveske .308 uses Armalite uppers and lowers. - Fulton Armory uses DPMS uppers and lowers. - Armalite uppers and lowers are forged. DPMS are extruded 6066 Aluminum. - Armalite comes with a lifetime warranty. DPMS comes with a 3 year warranty. - Armalite has chrome lined barrels (unless you get the AR-10T or SuperSASS, both come with SS barrels). DPMS does not have a CL option. - Armalite has M4 feed ramps - Armalite 16" comes with a middy gas system - Armalite does not have a front site, only a picatanny gas block that is bolted on. Some complain they don't like the gas block to be bolted on, but I have never had any come loose. But just as insurance, I did red loctite both my AR-10 just recently. - DPMS has forward assist, Armalite does not (I hear this will change in 2009) - Armalite base AR-10's retails for $1500 and has no sites. Base DPMS retails go for $1100 and come with sites. - Both comes with options to be chambered in something else, such has .338 Rem or .243 WSM. - The Canadian Military uses the the current Amalite AR-10 that is available to me and you. - Armalite GenII mags, the current ones are ultra reliable and makes FTF issues a thing of the past. To me they are the best mags out there bar none. Thick sheet metal, lots of spot welds, and silky smoot spring. - Armalite's new bolt design makes FTE issues a thing of the past. - Newer AR-10 upper receivers comes with a groove for the bolt hold. |
| Thats all fine and good, but nomenclature matters in some professions, and to some here, the mark matters. Simple as that. Feel free to call it whatever you wish but my point still stands and rings loud and clear. IF you call a non Armalite 308 rifle an AR-10 do not get the feathers ruffled if your corrected, without fail. |
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Thats all fine and good, but nomenclature matters in some professions, and to some here, the mark matters. Simple as that. Feel free to call it whatever you wish but my point still stands and rings loud and clear. IF you call a non Armalite 308 rifle an AR-10 do not get the feathers ruffled if your corrected, without fail. It's ok, I put on a USGI Kevlar Helmet each time I call my buddy's DPMS LR-308 an AR10, I got this helmet off EBAY and it seems to be working good, it seems to hold off the shrapnel I am getting from all the Armalite fanboys each and every time I call his rilfe an AR-10. I bought this helmet for a good price.. Now to keep this technical, I will suggest another option for the OP... Only reason I would suggest DPMS is because their uppers are compatible with the new CMMG lower that take HK G3 mags. At one time Tapco was offering 100 G3 mags for $100. Even now, you can get G3 mags just about anywhere for $5. Another reason it might be better to go DPMS because it seems the SR-25 type mags are the standard AR .308 mag now since Robinson, LWRC, Knights, SCAR, and DPMS all use this mag. Here is a pic of CMMG lowers, once takes the SR-25 type mag, the other takes G3 mags. Both of these lowers are compatible with DPMS uppers. 
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Wow dude, chill out a little. You should host your own site called angry old men that have out of exclusive, out of date weapons. I will chill out. Does that mean to chill out I have to stop calling my buddies DPMS .308 AR an AR-10? Just go along with the herd? I think the sad thing is, if someone were to make an EXACT copy the Original AR-10, then won't be able to use the name AR-10 because Armalite owns that name, and their fan boys that pull guard duty on the forum are prepared and ready to shell anyone that calls non Armalite AR .308 AR-10's. But hey, that's how it is. 
Now to keep this thread technical I will post some pictures of Armalite AR-10 in the hands of the Canadian Military. These pictures are from one of the members of Canadian Gun Nuts. I believe he is a mod over there (or maybe another forum), He was in the Canadian Military and he swears by the Armalite AR-10's. Here are some AR-10's in action. 
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Thats all fine and good, but nomenclature matters in some professions, and to some here, the mark matters. Simple as that. Feel free to call it whatever you wish but my point still stands and rings loud and clear. IF you call a non Armalite 308 rifle an AR-10 do not get the feathers ruffled if your corrected, without fail. Well those of us who are "enlightened" know enough to not make the mistake of generically calling all Stoner design 308/7.62 rifles AR-10's, it is certainly easy to understand how the new and casual shooter would make that assumption since most 5.56 based rifles are of course called AR-15's. The leap to generically calling all 308 rifles AR-10s is logical and a natural assumption that most casual shooters make unless they have BRD and/or hang out here. In order to avoid confusion, what term (if any) shall we use to generically call all Stoner design 308/7.62 rifles? |
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This helped greatly. Thank you for taking the time to respond. This is why this site is here. Not to trash those looking for info. We are a brotherhood who share a common desire to own and use expensive toys. Any help is welcome. Your welcome. I only have one kevlar helmet though, but I will do my best to protect us both once the shelling starts from the Legions of Armalite Fan Boys.
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Thats all fine and good, but nomenclature matters in some professions, and to some here, the mark matters. Simple as that. Feel free to call it whatever you wish but my point still stands and rings loud and clear. IF you call a non Armalite 308 rifle an AR-10 do not get the feathers ruffled if your corrected, without fail. Well those of us who are "enlightened" know enough to not make the mistake of generically calling all Stoner design 308/7.62 rifles AR-10's, it is certainly easy to understand how the new and casual shooter would make that assumption since most 5.56 based rifles are of course called AR-15's. The leap to generically calling all 308 rifles AR-10s is logical and a natural assumption that most casual shooters make unless they have BRD and/or hang out here. In order to avoid confusion, what term (if any) shall we use to generically call all Stoner design 308/7.62 rifles? Its simple (to me at least) DPMS makes a 308 so I refer to it by its company given name, same for the RRA 308, Knights is the SR-25, and so forth. I call it whatever they designate it, if Armalite is what I am referring to, its an AR-10, or AR-180b etc. I know new people come here and MORE then enough members can attest to me assisting them, kindly and in a professional manner, but when one comes here and says in some way , shape or form "ill call any 308 an AR-10 if I want", doing so incites some people, lets face it, it gets tired. Again, I think its simple, but maybe I am in the minority here. |
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Its simple (to me at least) DPMS makes a 308 so I refer to it by its company given name, same for the RRA 308, Knights is the SR-25, and so forth. I call it whatever they designate it, if Armalite is what I am referring to, its an AR-10, or AR-180b etc. I know new people come here and MORE then enough members can attest to me assisting them, kindly and in a professional manner, but when one comes here and says in some way , shape or form "ill call any 308 an AR-10 if I want", doing so incites some people, lets face it, it gets tired. Again, I think its simple, but maybe I am in the minority here. My fault, I should learn how to more politically correct. If the majority, as well as the boss himself, wants only Armalite AR-10 to be called AR-10 then I should comply. When in Rome do as the Romans do right? I am just happy IBM does not own the rights to the word "computer", or Ford owns exclusive rights to the word "car", or Olympic Arms own the exclusive rights to the word "AR-15". From now on, I'll only say AR-10 if I am talking about Armalite. I'll use .308 AR for everything else.
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My LR308TAC20 came with a free-float quad-rail and railed front gas block for about 1200 bucks, and it shoots sub-MOA. For a semi-auto .308, you aren't going to find that consistent accuracy at that price from anywhere else, IMO. The only thing that it needs is a better trigger. I haven't made up my mind on which new trigger yet, but I really like the Timney in my bud's Colt AR, so I'm leaning towards the Timney. |
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My LR308TAC20 came with a free-float quad-rail and railed front gas block for about 1200 bucks, and it shoots sub-MOA. For a semi-auto .308, you aren't going to find that consistent accuracy at that price from anywhere else, IMO. The only thing that it needs is a better trigger. I haven't made up my mind on which new trigger yet, but I really like the Timney in my bud's Colt AR, so I'm leaning towards the Timney. Another satisfied DPMS owner. I hear great things as far as accuracy goes. Price wise it is no contest, the DPMS is much cheaper, I can't justify paying $500 more for an inferior gun. Why did this get moved to the M1A/M14 section? Got moved the first time because the OP posted in the AR-10 section, he made the common "mistake" of calling a DPMS .308 AR and AR-10. Then once it got moved to AR-Variant Section to appease the AR-10 fanboys, it now ends up here? Why? I guess to get more M14 fanboy input? |
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To the OP. If you're considering a western hunt go with the lightest, handiest rifle. Speaking for myself I don't like bulky 308 sized AR's and prefer the ergonomics/balance of the M1A much better. As for brands.....my signature line is a hint of my experience with Armalite and their "customer service". Please don't take no offense when I will take the opinion of a Canadian Soldier who used the AR-10 in combat over yours. As for my own findings: - I find a Garand more balanced than a M1A. So if I was going Irons only I would chose a Garand. - I really can't comment on DPMS, but so far I have only heard good things about them. - I love my 2 AR-10's (one is 20" one is 16'), both have been flawless from the get go. Feels just like an AR-15 but oh man, that kick lets you know you are shooting something bigger and better. - I love AR-10 mags, I find them and USGI M14 mags to be the best of all the battle rifle mags (AR15/G3/SR-25/FAL). Thick sheet metal, lots of spot welds, and silky smooth spring, - You can easily add nice Rails (Samson, DD, Larue) to an AR-10 (yes Armalite) and it is fairly cheap. To put a M1A in a Sage or Troy stock and configure it the way you want, you are looking at least $700. The .308 AR's will also be lighter. - I don't know what rail options there are for a DPMS - You can easily scope an AR-10 and it will cost you nothing to scope the AR-10 (other than the cost of scopes and rings). You can't say that about a M1A, there is no flat top to mount a scope to. Quality M1A scope mounts are expensive and even the best of them such as Sadlak or Smith will come loose. The Receiver on the M1A just wants to twist the mount loose. Also the scope mounting hole on a M1A is very shallow with few threads so it is very hard to get a secure and stable platform. - Inexpensive Quality M14 parts are not available anymore. It will be much cheaper to replace worn parts on the .308 AR. I have to offer my opinion on the items quoted in red above: If properly installed I believe the Sadlak, Smith or even the ARMS #18 offer a very stable and secure mount, the key is "installed properly", which means on an in spec receiver, torqued properly, installed, unistalled and reinstalled for thread stretch, properly loc-tited etc.... and these mounts also utilize the clip guide dovetail and a front set screw vs the old single mount type in just the side mounting hole. The cost of a rail is included in the AR10/ other guys .308 rifles.... $150+ for a good M14 mount still make many M1A/ M14 types cheaper.... Also, there are new forged op-rods, gas cylinders and bolts out there now, most can be had for less than or equal to USGI parts. And even the SAInc forged bolts and their op-rods are used on many rifles w/o issues and can be had on the EEs for almost half of the USGI prices..... as compared to $200+ AR BCGs, the AR prices for parts have almost caught up with the M14 platform on many levels.... My $.02, |
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I have to offer my opinion on the items quoted in red above: 1) If properly installed I believe the Sadlak, Smith or even the ARMS #18 offer a very stable and secure mount, the key is "installed properly", which means on an in spec receiver, torqued properly, installed, unistalled and reinstalled for thread stretch, properly loc-tited etc.... and these mounts also utilize the clip guide dovetail and a front set screw vs the old single mount type in just the side mounting hole. The cost of a rail is included in the AR10/ other guys .308 rifles.... 2) $150+ for a good M14 mount still make many M1A/ M14 types cheaper.... 3) Also, there are new forged op-rods, gas cylinders and bolts out there now, most can be had for less than or equal to USGI parts. 4) And even the SAInc forged bolts and their op-rods are used on many rifles w/o issues and can be had on the EEs for almost half of the USGI prices..... as compared to $200+ AR BCGs, the AR prices for parts have almost caught up with the M14 platform on many levels.... My $.02, 1) I have an M1A receiver and the grooves seems to be all in spec. I got Smith mounts to bolt right on, even those Chinese Gen3 clone bolted right up with out a problem, but the shallow hole is still a problem with many mounts. The way you might a Scope on a M14 is pretty retarded, I see steel scope mounts going for $250, the .308 AR's don't have this mounting problem. 2) Cheaper how? M1A's retail for $1500, DPMS for $1100, Armalite AR-10's for $1500. Both the DPMS and AR-10 come with flat tops ready to mount any optic you choose. Even if you go Armalite you don't have to spend another $250 on a scope mount. 3) M14 parts available? Really? Where? I have yet to see them. If you know where I can find them let me know, I want a spare oprod and also looking for a bolt for my Polytech. 4) Again, where? I can't seem to find the deals like you guys can. |
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3) M14 parts available? Really? Where? I have yet to see them. If you know where I can find them let me know, I want a spare oprod and also looking for a bolt for my Polytech. USGI bolts may be a little hard to find, but Smith Enterprise, Inc. has plenty of new parts for your M14 |
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I have to offer my opinion on the items quoted in red above: 1) If properly installed I believe the Sadlak, Smith or even the ARMS #18 offer a very stable and secure mount, the key is "installed properly", which means on an in spec receiver, torqued properly, installed, unistalled and reinstalled for thread stretch, properly loc-tited etc.... and these mounts also utilize the clip guide dovetail and a front set screw vs the old single mount type in just the side mounting hole. The cost of a rail is included in the AR10/ other guys .308 rifles.... 2) $150+ for a good M14 mount still make many M1A/ M14 types cheaper.... 3) Also, there are new forged op-rods, gas cylinders and bolts out there now, most can be had for less than or equal to USGI parts. 4) And even the SAInc forged bolts and their op-rods are used on many rifles w/o issues and can be had on the EEs for almost half of the USGI prices..... as compared to $200+ AR BCGs, the AR prices for parts have almost caught up with the M14 platform on many levels.... My $.02, 1) I have an M1A receiver and the grooves seems to be all in spec. I got Smith mounts to bolt right on, even those Chinese Gen3 clone bolted right up with out a problem, but the shallow hole is still a problem with many mounts. The way you might a Scope on a M14 is pretty retarded, I see steel scope mounts going for $250, the .308 AR's don't have this mounting problem. 2) Cheaper how? M1A's retail for $1500, DPMS for $1100, Armalite AR-10's for $1500. Both the DPMS and AR-10 come with flat tops ready to mount any optic you choose. Even if you go Armalite you don't have to spend another $250 on a scope mount. 3) M14 parts available? Really? Where? I have yet to see them. If you know where I can find them let me know, I want a spare oprod and also looking for a bolt for my Polytech. 4) Again, where? I can't seem to find the deals like you guys can. All I see are pictures of $400 scope mounts (did I mention yet that AR-10 and DPMS are free to scope?), and $100 muzzle breaks that I do not need. I do see a picture of an Oprod that says "coming soon".... sure would be nice to see a M14/M1A bolt available that is not in surplus and made 500 years ago. |
| I know your choice in weapons are not out of date, that was just a little slap for you getting pissed about my posting on your "private site." Remember, I am new to this forum and a fellow collector and shooter as well. No harm intended and none taken by me. I am going with the DPMS LR 308 and if I speak of it on this site I will call it such. |
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I know your choice in weapons are not out of date, that was just a little slap for you getting pissed about my posting on your "private site." Remember, I am new to this forum and a fellow collector and shooter as well. No harm intended and none taken by me. I am going with the DPMS LR 308 and if I speak of it on this site I will call it such. You and me both. I learned my lesson too! I had 2 mods tell me to knock it off and told me to quit causing trouble. I do not want to be known as a trouble maker so I will comply with all local laws. One of these days when I conform to the Arfcom thinking long enough, maybe I too can slam on people for calling their non-Armalite .308 AR type guns an AR-10. Then I will be accepted! 
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I know your choice in weapons are not out of date, that was just a little slap for you getting pissed about my posting on your "private site." Remember, I am new to this forum and a fellow collector and shooter as well. No harm intended and none taken by me. I am going with the DPMS LR 308 and if I speak of it on this site I will call it such. You and me both. I learned my lesson too! I had 2 mods tell me to knock it off and told me to quit causing trouble. I do not want to be known as a trouble maker so I will comply with all local laws. Too late, you are already known as a trouble maker.
One of these days when I conform to the Arfcom thinking long enough, maybe I too can slam on people for calling their non-Armalite .308 AR type guns an AR-10. Then I will be accepted!
Never! 
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I know your choice in weapons are not out of date, that was just a little slap for you getting pissed about my posting on your "private site." Remember, I am new to this forum and a fellow collector and shooter as well. No harm intended and none taken by me. I am going with the DPMS LR 308 and if I speak of it on this site I will call it such. I wasn't pissed. You haven't seen me pissed. This was originally in the AR10 forum and wasn't about an AR10. You would had to have been here for a while to understand. There were a lot of "my AR10 is a POS" threads that turned out were not about AR10s. Other clowns took that and ran with it in their bullshit negative posts about AR10s. Some of those "AR10 is a POS" threads were actually about a certain .308/7.62x51 AR that is no longer produced due to problems with it. A guy came up to me at the range one day telling me how he had one just like mine and it didn't work worth a damn and how all AR10s are junk, etc. I went to his shooting table to see if I could help him out. It was not an AR10 and I proceeded to let him know it especially after his "all are junk" rant. He also turned out to be an Obama supporter who didn't care about any bans because he had "all that I want, so I don't care". There is more to it than just the trademark issue. |
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I owned an ArmaLite AR10A4 once... I sold it to fund another MK14
http://www.athenswater.com/images/16and18.jpg BTW, I used the Gen II mags made by CMI and they were excellent. Sweet looking Mk14! How much would something like that cost to set up? $3000? It is a very nice gun, but I think a $1200 DPMS could do everything it can do. |
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Thanks! You could have SEI could put something like it together for a grand total of about $4K. The price climbs when you add quality optics... http://www.athenswater.com/images/Mod-1_T-1.jpg Man that thing is sweet! It is well worth the $4k price tag for something that beautiful. What receiver you running on that? I read a lot of your post and it seems you like the Chinese Receivers (and likely should). Is that a Polytech or Norinco? I also like the scope mount. I have never seen that mount before. Who makes it? I don't like scope mounts on the Receiver. The way you have that thing configured, that thing right there is a 21st Century gun with all the goodies. CTR with riser; TD foregrip, pistol grip and bipod, Leupold Mk4, and I am sure the internals are all USGI. I would most definately take that gun over an AR-10 or DPMS, but then again $4000 vs. $1200
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Man that thing is sweet! Thank GC
That's an all TRW built on a heel stamped Norinco with a rare standard profile chrome lined SEI M118LR barrel. The SAGE Detachable Cantilevered Sight Base is pictured, but I have replaced it with a LaRue LT608 rail extension. 
The SAGE DCSB is now mounted to my MK14 SEI Mod 0 waiting on a scope. 
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I wasn't pissed. You haven't seen me pissed. This was originally in the AR10 forum and wasn't about an AR10. You would had to have been here for a while to understand. There were a lot of "my AR10 is a POS" threads that turned out were not about AR10s. Other clowns took that and ran with it in their bullshit negative posts about AR10s. Some of those "AR10 is a POS" threads were actually about a certain .308/7.62x51 AR that is no longer produced due to problems with it. A guy came up to me at the range one day telling me how he had one just like mine and it didn't work worth a damn and how all AR10s are junk, etc. I went to his shooting table to see if I could help him out. It was not an AR10 and I proceeded to let him know it especially after his "all are junk" rant. He also turned out to be an Obama supporter who didn't care about any bans because he had "all that I want, so I don't care". There is more to it than just the trademark issue. 
I have also seen my fair share of DPMS AR15 bashing. How do we separate the terrible DPMS AR-15 to the mighty Colt AR15? Maybe we can get an act of Congress pass so only Colt can own the name? This way when a non-Colt AR15 owner say my AR15 is a piece of crap, we can arrest him. Neither the DPMS nor the Armalite is a real AR-10. To me it is a trademark issue and nothing more. I think it's lame I have to say DPMS .308 AR instread of DPMS AR10. However, in these forums I do play by the rules, I say .308 AR for DPMS, and AR10 for only Armalite because I am a good guy and not a trouble maker
You go ahead and take a break this weekend. I'll pull guard duty in the AR-10 section, and if I see anyone call their non-Armalite .308 AR an AR-10, I promise to return fire! Rest well this weekend. I got it covered
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I have also seen my fair share of DPMS AR15 bashing. How do we separate the terrible DPMS AR-15 to the mighty Colt AR15? Maybe we can get an act of Congress pass so only Colt can own the name? This way when a non-Colt AR15 owner say my AR15 is a piece of crap, we can arrest him. I don't call the DPMS rifle an AR15 nor do I call any other 5.56/.223 AR type rifle an AR15. I call it by it's brand name whatever that may be. That's some silly ass shit you just posted. Neither the DPMS nor the Armalite is a real AR-10. To me it is a trademark issue and nothing more. I think it's lame I have to say DPMS .308 AR instread of DPMS AR10. However, in these forums I do play by the rules, I say .308 AR for DPMS, and AR10 for only Armalite because I am a good guy and not a trouble maker
The ArmaLite AR-10 is not a real AR-10? Why, because you say so? Not hardly. What's lame is that you have continued to make this invalid argument for as long as you have. Call DPMS and ask them about their AR-10. They will tell you they don't make one. You go ahead and take a break this weekend. I'll pull guard duty in the AR-10 section, and if I see anyone call their non-Armalite .308 AR an AR-10, I promise to return fire! Rest well this weekend. I got it covered
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