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Posted: 3/18/2007 3:11:04 PM EDT
| Went to a gunshow in Central Nebraska today, didn't figure on seeing THIS, but saw a chrome M1, 1903, 1903A3, m1917, and Krag on a dealers table. Now I don't care who you are, but this AINT funny!! We've had a lot of posts of dealers selling CMP rifles, and some people don't seem to mind, but I'm sorry, it just pisses me off! I had to sign a paper saying I wouldn't do this, but theres a lot of dealers that do it anyway . I had to sign it, and so did they. The thing that gets me is that the CMP doesn't make a big deal of it, but I still have to sign a paper that "I wont' do it". And if I say I have a notion to do it, I get hammered about it, "don't screw the pooch, it aint right!!". Now, if they're (CMP)not going to care about, why should I?? If they're not going to care about it, why have us sign a paper before we can get one?? I'm sorry, but its hypocritical to have "everyone" sign a paper before they can get a rifle if they're not going to enforce "any part of the rules". I have no problem with the CMP selling to anyone, but don't put conditions on the sale that they aren't going to enforce, or have no intentions of upholding. Thank God we have an opportunity to purchase from an organization such as the CMP, but don't be hypocritical about the rules!! Rant off, Greg |
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This has come up before. Orest has said he doesn't expect the rifle you buy to go to the grave with you. Its frankly a pointless document to sign anyway, I suspect it dates back to Dept of Army/DCM days. Once you own it, its your property to dispose of as you see fit. CMP or any other seller, can't do squat about it. I seriously doubt it would ever stand up in court. That said, there has undoubtly been abuses of this. Much of it I blame directly on CMP and their annual "limits". If someone is buying TWELVE Garands a year, there's a better than even chance he's selling most of them. To say they are "shocked" to find CMP rifles on the market is just bogus. Does this bother me? Only to the extant that the twelve rifle limit has all but sucked CMP dry of Garands. I already have my Garand (only one) but I do feel bad about the folks in the future not having access to one. |
| When Congress decided that the CMP must be a self-sustaining entity, everything changed. They had to sell much more just to survive. With a current "limit" of 12 Garands per year, per person, it is inevitable that people will sell some of these rifles. Right now, it is more important to get these rifles to the people before our national government becomes more anti-firearm and stops CMP sales altogether. Also, the availability of CMP Garands will soon decline drastically. They are running out of sellable M-1s. |
| I'd rather see some CMP rifles sold at a gunshow, rather than them going to Capt'n Crunch....If the hildabeast and obomba (or however it's spelled) have THEIR way, you can bet each and every one will be crushed and the scrap given to China.. Get'em now while you can... |
| OK, the "1919" should have been a "1917" and I edited my post to show that. CHROME is parade or "show" which is usually Legion/VFW or whatever. I'm sure the 03, 03A3, and 1917 all came from these organizations. Where else would you get the M1 and Krag too? That said, you miss my point. I'm pissed because of the hypocrisy of the CMP. Make the rules, enforce the rules then. So far everyone says, "well, its no big deal". Even tho I read and signed the paper, I see dealers doing this all the time. Seems like its OK for the dealers to do it, since "its for a good cause", but let someone else say it, and "oh my God, don't even try". I don't have a problem with the dealers doing this, but IF the CMP isn't concerned enough to make an issue of it, then do away with the signed statement. And don't tell me that they're amost gone so don't worry about it. Thats not the point and you know it. It's all about taking responsibility for our actions and following rules. If we ignore this then we can ignore anything. Greg |
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I think the intent of the signed statement is to make CMP (legally) not complicit with people who want to be unauthorized FFL dealers. You know the dems would attack them on that ground if the issue came up, so CMP has the signed document for lawyerly deniability purposes <---my best guess. positives -beats capt crunch to them negatives -denies a future sale to some guy who only wants one nice example (then again he can still buy it with a $200-300 mark up) -CMP runs out of good things before I can get one Obviously I don't have all the answers |
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IMO there's a big difference between personal sale (arguably ok based on what Orest has said) and commercial sale. If you buy a rifle from CMP and a few months/years down the road you decide you need the money for something else, or just don't want it anymore and wish to sell it, I see no problem with that.... but... If you're buying your limit of Garands each year, and buying the limit for your wife, three kids and your dog and then putting those rifles on the shelf at your store, or parting them out on ebay than there's something wrong with that for sure. |
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Orest has said, and it's been well circulated, that he'll cut off those that are clearly violating the rules. That's the enforcement. It'll get fixed as soon as you forward the dealer's name to Orest at the CMP. Otherwise, well... stop griping. I'd rather the CMP fund competition and junior programs than a team of inspectors that travelled cross country to the gun shows and shops in search of violators. Ty |
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