User Panel
Posted: 8/30/2017 1:34:20 PM EDT
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[#4]
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Cool! M-lok prototypes in the works too? View Quote |
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[#5]
While I'm glad it's something....why not MLOK or Keymod? I mean this is HK level of head scratching as a consumer.
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[#7]
I'm sure nobody thought of it, but you might consider M-Lok.
Along with light barrel profiles and 1:8 twist. |
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[#8]
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[#9]
The AAC SquareDrop technology is a modified Keymod attachment method. All standard keymod accessories attach the same as a standard Keymod rail.
The advantage of SquareDrop is the attachment architecture, its different than Keymod and nets much greater pull out strength. Very similar to M-lok in strength. Also SquareDrop is more ascetically appealing than Keymod. And yes we are developing a M-lok version as well. The installed base of Keymod is far greater than M-lok currently but M-lok will eclipse Keymod so we are developing both. |
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[#10]
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The AAC SquareDrop technology is a modified Keymod attachment method. All standard keymod accessories attach the same as a standard Keymod rail. The advantage of SquareDrop is the attachment architecture, its different than Keymod and nets much greater pull out strength. Very similar to M-lok in strength. Also SquareDrop is more ascetically appealing than Keymod. And yes we are developing a M-lok version as well. The installed base of Keymod is far greater than M-lok currently but M-lok will eclipse Keymod so we are developing both. View Quote |
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[#11]
It's super cool to see that you're still developing parts for the ACR. Any word on the next batch of 10.5" barrels? Everyone supplier I can find is OOS and a few show backorders are overdue!
Edit: It seems like the main form of the ACR would make it a prime candidate for a telescoping stock like the MP5 or MPX, too |
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[#12]
I'd like to see solid numbers on SquareDrop before I adopt something other than Mlok. SOCOM is moving toward Mlok. The chances of you guys disrupting that institutional momentum is slim, unless it's leaps and bounds better.
ETA: Looks like SquareDrop has been in the works for a few years. First I'm hearing of this system, though. |
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[#14]
Hoping this platform gets some BM love soon. Love to spend some money on my ACR
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[#15]
Great stuff!
Like the mod'd Keymod. Keep em coming Bushmaster! |
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[#17]
2nd'ed for more pictures. I'm torn on if I like the OEM handguard or not.
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[#19]
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The AAC SquareDrop technology is a modified Keymod attachment method. All standard keymod accessories attach the same as a standard Keymod rail. The advantage of SquareDrop is the attachment architecture, its different than Keymod and nets much greater pull out strength. Very similar to M-lok in strength. Also SquareDrop is more ascetically appealing than Keymod. And yes we are developing a M-lok version as well. The installed base of Keymod is far greater than M-lok currently but M-lok will eclipse Keymod so we are developing both. View Quote I'll definitely be keeping my eyes open for updates. I've got an OLD ACR (read... sub 100 SN, lol)... that I bought the week they hit the shelves... it could use some new parts. |
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[#21]
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Thought everyone would like to see some new prototypes No dates - no prices - no info - just pictures. http://i.imgur.com/ldndhmo.jpg View Quote Nice! |
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[#22]
I don't much care about pics, I want to see it in the web store!
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[#24]
Nice!
What are the chances of a aluminum barrel trunnion and spanned wrench style barrel nut? Could just grab the demensions from Remington’s V2 |
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[#25]
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Nice! What are the chances of a aluminum barrel trunnion and spanned wrench style barrel nut? Could just grab the demensions from Remington’s V2 View Quote |
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[#26]
They have been made in small batches in aluminum. They are amazing. I run one in both of my main go to rifles. It’s about 5 oz lighter than stock iirc.
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[#27]
Yes the community aftermarket has made some runs as bigdog states.. But I missed it getting into the ACR game kinda late. Been toying with the idea of getting a second gun and taking the factory trunnion over to a local mfg and seeing what could be come up with to make something that could be regularly produced at a reasonable cost. Utilizing a DD barrel nut or something similar to a castle nut. Time is the limiting factor, and money for prototyping parts is pretty large.
Bushmaster, if you’re listening.. the new barrel profile (which should have been the original profile) is a good start. But the next step in balancing the weight of this rifle would be the system developed by Remington to get away from the QD system as an aftermarket part or modification. Changing the barrel would be fairly quick with a tool and barrel nut torqued to an aluminum trunnion. |
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[#28]
Quoted:Been toying with the idea of getting a second gun and taking the factory trunnion over to a local mfg and seeing what could be come up with to make something that could be regularly produced at a reasonable cost. View Quote |
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[#29]
Guys we hear you, the Bushmaster ACR without a tool-less quick change barrel feature is straying away from the original plan. The idea is to be able to configure and change the rifle without any tools and once you start to add/change parts that requires the user to have tools it changes the original goals of the platform. Not saying we will not go that route in the future but it is not a goal right now.
We are looking at weight savings but that often comes at a cost so it's a balancing act to get it light and stay reliable in all situations. The Remington Defense version is built for different uses/requirements and that is why you see variations between the firearms. |
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[#30]
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Guys we hear you, the Bushmaster ACR without a tool-less quick change barrel feature is straying away from the original plan. The idea is to be able to configure and change the rifle without any tools and once you start to add/change parts that requires the user to have tools it changes the original goals of the platform. Not saying we will not go that route in the future but it is not a goal right now. We are looking at weight savings but that often comes at a cost so it's a balancing act to get it light and stay reliable in all situations. The Remington Defense version is built for different uses/requirements and that is why you see variations between the firearms. View Quote And to top it off, reminding us that we're not special enough for the RemDef ACR. People want a lighter-weight rifle. The aftermarket has been picking up that slack after you guys left us hanging. There is a whole segment of owners trying to get the weight down. Just release the RemDef ACR to us already. |
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[#31]
Also Bushmaster, you said earlier that you were going to have one of the caliber conversions ready before the end of the year. It's December 15th already and you've said nothing more!
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[#32]
The Remington Defense ACR is different and typically sold as select fire only (not civilian legal). Sorry, no disrespect to consumers but they are only sold to LE/MIL.
Also the parts and conversions are currently in testing/R&D. Once finished and available for sale you will be the first to know. We did say in one conversion/firearm may* be ready by Christmas but we are behind in testing so it will be pushed out a bit. If we can sneak some pics out of the R&D lab we will and post them up to show proof. We understand the frustration and want these completed more than anyone so please be patient and we will continue to give updates so you are in the loop. |
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[#33]
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Guys we hear you, the Bushmaster ACR without a tool-less quick change barrel feature is straying away from the original plan. The idea is to be able to configure and change the rifle without any tools and once you start to add/change parts that requires the user to have tools it changes the original goals of the platform. Not saying we will not go that route in the future but it is not a goal right now. We are looking at weight savings but that often comes at a cost so it's a balancing act to get it light and stay reliable in all situations. The Remington Defense version is built for different uses/requirements and that is why you see variations between the firearms. View Quote |
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[#34]
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The Remington Defense ACR is different and typically sold as select fire only (not civilian legal). Sorry, no disrespect to consumers but they are only sold to LE/MIL. Also the parts and conversions are currently in testing/R&D. Once finished and available for sale you will be the first to know. We did say in one conversion/firearm may* be ready by Christmas but we are behind in testing so it will be pushed out a bit. If we can sneak some pics out of the R&D lab we will and post them up to show proof. We understand the frustration and want these completed more than anyone so please be patient and we will continue to give updates so you are in the loop. View Quote |
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[#35]
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Guys we hear you, the Bushmaster ACR without a tool-less quick change barrel feature is straying away from the original plan. The idea is to be able to configure and change the rifle without any tools and once you start to add/change parts that requires the user to have tools it changes the original goals of the platform. Not saying we will not go that route in the future but it is not a goal right now. We are looking at weight savings but that often comes at a cost so it's a balancing act to get it light and stay reliable in all situations. The Remington Defense version is built for different uses/requirements and that is why you see variations between the firearms. View Quote Like everyone who complains about the ACR is just complaining to complain. To me, it seems like an excellent rifle. It pretty much comes stock with all the parts one would want for their AR's. |
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[#36]
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This isn't a knock, or anything like that, but I'm just curious how many of those Rem ACR select fire rifles are actually being fielded or riding trunk monkey or what not in squad cars? View Quote There's only like 12-14 defense rifles on the streets. I don't think there's many post sample ones in the wild minus the black PDW that shows up from time to time in 3 gun shoots and such. |
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[#37]
First off, thank you for communicating with us in the forum. I appreciate that more of the companies focus is going to the ACR, as it still is the platform with the most potential out of the box. There is a reason I waited so long to get one, and now I have another on the way. I really want this platform to succeed which is why I am posting my thoughts on the matter. None of these come with any sort of distain behind them, because I have not been waiting a decade for things to change. I do however see the potential, am an avid shooter (~8-10k rounds a year), and this is quickly becoming my favorite rifle to shoot. I own more than a couple high end (KAC and others) AR's as that is the benchmark I go off of.
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Guys we hear you, the Bushmaster ACR without a tool-less quick change barrel feature is straying away from the original plan. The idea is to be able to configure and change the rifle without any tools and once you start to add/change parts that requires the user to have tools it changes the original goals of the platform. Not saying we will not go that route in the future but it is not a goal right now. View Quote Think "what would a competition shooter want?" as thats what most of the popular accessories come from. Quoted:The Remington Defense version is built for different uses/requirements and that is why you see variations between the firearms. View Quote Think of the most highly regarded firearms companies currently... KAC, DD, BCM, ETC... ill even through the SCAR platform in there... what do they have in common and what makes them so appealing to the masses? They are essentially Mil quality OR BETTER, and the only difference between the civ counter part and mil counterpart is another option on the safety selector, and possibly a slightly larger gas port to account for BS cheap ammo (stop overgassing guns please, tell people using steel garbage to go buy better ammo, or better yet put it as a disclaimer that steel ammo will void warranty and that it may cause malfunctions due to being garbage). Quoted:
The Remington Defense ACR is different and typically sold as select fire only (not civilian legal). Sorry, no disrespect to consumers but they are only sold to LE/MIL. View Quote 1: At the minimum make a poly mold of the remdef ACR lower, basically just give us changeable grip options and a tastefully flared magwell; you already have the ambi solution solved in a great way. Aluminum would be rad too, and weight on that part of the rifle isnt a big deal. 2: continue to solve the weight issue on the front side of the gun. Aluminum trunnion with a simple Ti castle nut for the barrel as an upgrade option. This would also allow you to make a more ergonomic smaller profile rail you can gear toward 3-gunners and competition shooters. Guess where people look to for gear and accessories to buy? Mil and competition shooters. It will also make the gun inherently more accurate and the barrel will have a more stable foundation and higher torque on the extension. 3: Get rid of the quad rail as an "enhanced version" ... quad rails as an "upgrade" went out the window with the advent of KM and MLOK. MLOK is the fan favorite, stick with what people want and dont try and reinvent the wheel. Have longer rail lengths available for purchase with a small cut out for the gas regulator... look at whats popular on the SCAR. And guess what?! you already made one, it is just REMDEF and change the slots to mlok and offer more lengths. 4. Last but not least... Put a Geissele trigger in it. Or at the minimum make your own match trigger to come with it as the base option. Incorporate these changes, and you'll have a gun more than worth a 1800 price tag. |
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[#38]
Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong but I only know of one. It's semi local to me and I am building a barrel for it in the near future. There's only like 12-14 defense rifles on the streets. I don't think there's many post sample ones in the wild minus the black PDW that shows up from time to time in 3 gun shoots and such. View Quote Making it semi auto should be a breeze. I'm pretty sure it's as easy as not drilling the sear hole and changing up some of the fire control parts. Just tell us straight up why we can't have access to that version. Is it due to some stubborn managers who think the .mil is better than the commercial market? Cost? Because some contracts, especially overseas, have stipulations that barr the adoption of rifles that are available commercially? The perception is that Bishmaster is out of touch with what the consumers want. I appreciate the gesture in trying to get things going again with the platform, but understand that you guys have a reputation of consistently over-promising and under-delivering. I just wish your slow institutional response to the market would speed up a bit, and give us products that we actually want, rather than what you think we want. *cough* SquareDrop handguard *cough*. |
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[#40]
Also just wanted to say; thank you for the pictures and showing us you are developing the platform more. Gives us more hope.
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[#41]
"The remdef ACR is select fire and therefore only sold to LE/MIL."
Yeah, because installing a semi-auto FCG is a huge burden. Just face it, Shrubmaster is still making excuses. They finished the Remington handguard years ago, the squaredrop could be put into production at any time. There is no credible reason that a good factory slim forend is not available other than "fuck you, we don't care enough about that." In a decade the only new accessory they've managed to release is 5.56 barrels, aka the one thing we've all been easily doing already without Bushmaster. |
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[#42]
Probably that another 10 years for that new handguard to come out.
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[#43]
I know that it sucks to not have the Remdef parts yet but I did talk to Remington/Bushmaster today about some Pre Shot Show planning. While I can't say what is getting released, I can say that I wasn't disappointed with what I heard. They are pushing some good products out and testing even more side ventures as well. Stuff I didn't even think of or haven't been able to produce yet.
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[#44]
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I know that it sucks to not have the Remdef parts yet but I did talk to Remington/Bushmaster today about some Pre Shot Show planning. While I can't say what is getting released, I can say that I wasn't disappointed with what I heard. They are pushing some good products out and testing even more side ventures as well. Stuff I didn't even think of or haven't been able to produce yet. View Quote |
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[#46]
I really want to get an ACR. Bushmaster continues to remind me that unfulfilled promises do not a successful business make. Maybe next year.
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[#47]
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So much for 2017 being the year of the ACR View Quote Nexus gives you a new lower, enhanced bolt release, new rails, enhanced safety's. Midwest Industries gets on board with a new rail. Heck there is a new binary trigger coming out in a few weeks. The rifle litterally went from almost zero major support, to having a bunch in one year. Do I wish new calibers were out, yep, but damn if I'm am not happy with the amount of stuff we got this year, with promise for more next year from the above major players. Add this in with Dana from Templar offering barrel conversions, bad ass safeties, and folding charging handles and the rifle is finally starting to get some real attention...I frankly am enjoying the new stuff popping up weekly it seems as of late. |
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[#48]
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Good Lord...you now have a whole new model, 4 different barrel lengths available, a new stock, 1/7 twist, aac mounts stock, new safeties from bushy. Nexus gives you a new lower, enhanced bolt release, new rails, enhanced safety's. Midwest Industries gets on board with a new rail. Heck there is a new binary trigger coming out in a few weeks. The rifle litterally went from almost zero major support, to having a bunch in one year. Do I wish new calibers were out, yep, but damn if I'm am not happy with the amount of stuff we got this year, with promise for more next year from the above major players. Add this in with Dana from Templar offering barrel conversions, bad ass safeties, and folding charging handles and the rifle is finally starting to get some real attention...I frankly am enjoying the new stuff popping up weekly it seems as of late. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So much for 2017 being the year of the ACR Nexus gives you a new lower, enhanced bolt release, new rails, enhanced safety's. Midwest Industries gets on board with a new rail. Heck there is a new binary trigger coming out in a few weeks. The rifle litterally went from almost zero major support, to having a bunch in one year. Do I wish new calibers were out, yep, but damn if I'm am not happy with the amount of stuff we got this year, with promise for more next year from the above major players. Add this in with Dana from Templar offering barrel conversions, bad ass safeties, and folding charging handles and the rifle is finally starting to get some real attention...I frankly am enjoying the new stuff popping up weekly it seems as of late. |
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[#49]
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The AAC SquareDrop technology is a modified Keymod attachment method. All standard keymod accessories attach the same as a standard Keymod rail. The advantage of SquareDrop is the attachment architecture, its different than Keymod and nets much greater pull out strength. Very similar to M-lok in strength. Also SquareDrop is more ascetically appealing than Keymod. And yes we are developing a M-lok version as well. The installed base of Keymod is far greater than M-lok currently but M-lok will eclipse Keymod so we are developing both. View Quote |
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