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I didn't mean to sound like I was calling you out. I edited my quotes to remove your name. The point of my post was exactly as stated: The claims of Mfr's are held to such a higher standard and, yes, you're waiting a bit longer for a Form 4. While, the claims of Form 1 builders are good enough as the spoken word. For me, I build suppressors because they cost next to nothing. Also, I try to copy proven designs. Yes, I've gone out on a limb, several times, but usually went w/ known features in unknown configurations. It doesn't help that my profession deals with combustion technologies. |
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There are different tier's of us form 1 er's. some go the pre-fab route which can add up quickly and like you mentioned can cost as much or more than a commercial can. But one cannot discount the pride in doing it yourself, to some of us that is more valuable. Currently there is also another bonus of Form 1's which is turn around. you can get a E-form 1 approved in a few weeks vs 13+ months for a form 4 (what it's taking a few of the guys I work with) if you spend a little extra time (or money) you can build a can that you can alter the configuration to see if it "sounds" better to you by making a series of spacers vs 1 spacer per baffles. There are no extra parts but you can close up and space your baffles accordingly and test things out. I've handled a dozen or so commercial cans and no 2 are alike. (well the mini 4 and sdn-6 were pretty similar) but it goes to show there are several ways to skin a cat. For example you have cans like the Sdn6 that weigh a ton and has a grip of baffles fairly closely spaced together and then you have something like the ultra 7 which has just 7 baffles equally spaced apart (from what I can tell) symetrical clips and the ultra 7 to my ear is quieter than the sdn6, weighs significantly less and is notably shorter. I fall somewhere in the middle. I can make my own baffles and tubes so i'm only out a stamp, material cost and time, but it takes quite a bit of time and I don't have the equipment/skill to do anything intricate. but I enjoy doing it and have the pride of doing it myself. |
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DM sells cones with his kits. Can't buy them individually.
Muted Machine Works has skirted and soon will have skirtless. SPC has some. aegis will soon have some leftover Totality cones. sergeant on the Form1 board placed an order for some skirted 1.497" cones that are based on what DM used to sell. He is looking for buyers. |
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Originally Posted By number40Fan:
DM sells cones with his kits. Can't buy them individually. Muted Machine Works has skirted and soon will have skirtless. SPC has some. aegis will soon have some leftover Totality cones. sergeant on the Form1 board placed an order for some skirted 1.497" cones that are based on what DM used to sell. He is looking for buyers. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By dangerdan: Aegis got their first batch in. From their FB page https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG |
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Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Really looking forward to those. I have a build with the Maverick step cones and Totality 60's that sounds awesome on my AR10, so having 60's available to replicate that stack will be great. Plus I need some radials and cones for a 1.375 build... I hope they get the whole totality line back. Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Aegis got their first batch in. From their FB page https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG I have a build with the Maverick step cones and Totality 60's that sounds awesome on my AR10, so having 60's available to replicate that stack will be great. Plus I need some radials and cones for a 1.375 build... I hope they get the whole totality line back. Ill have some stepped cones left over and contemplating building an 8 or 9" Talon tube.30 cal with titanium 60s or radials. Kind of want a do-all for .300 blk, .308, and 6.5 |
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Got the first batch in. From the FB page https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By number40Fan:
DM sells cones with his kits. Can't buy them individually. Muted Machine Works has skirted and soon will have skirtless. SPC has some. aegis will soon have some leftover Totality cones. sergeant on the Form1 board placed an order for some skirted 1.497" cones that are based on what DM used to sell. He is looking for buyers. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG |
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Got the first batch in. From the FB page https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG |
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Originally Posted By RRA_223:
Can I bother you for a link - I searched and didnt find any links Originally Posted By RRA_223:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Got the first batch in. From the FB page https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG |
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Originally Posted By HK94dude:
link Originally Posted By HK94dude:
Originally Posted By RRA_223:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Got the first batch in. From the FB page https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG @ me please 
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
What tube would you use for the aegis 1.497" cones? @ me please Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By HK94dude:
Originally Posted By RRA_223:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Got the first batch in. From the FB page https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80601/71497845_108005723934587_8961351608432590848_o_jpg-1100371.JPG @ me please |
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Well, Diversified Machine has been seized by the ATF... "The website www.diversifiedmachine.us has been seized by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), in accordance with a seizure warrant obtained by the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Michigan." |
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3D printed stellite and M300 cups. https://3d-printed-innovations.com/ |
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KMwhisper Titanium Solvent Trap Shortest Configuration Weight: 7 oz Longest Configuration Weight: 13.5 oz Shortest Length: 3" Longest Length: 7" Diameter: 1.50''OD, 1.35''ID Build Materials: Titanium GR5 Finish: Type 3 Hard Anodize Thread Mounts: 5/8x24 and 1/2x28, both threaded mounts Tools: All outside flats take standard 11/2" SAE American Tools Tube Thread: 1.375x24 TPI 
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Spoke with the owner, is a good dude. Muted Machine Works no longer sells solvent trap tubes/cups. Cites new fiat ruling by ATF |
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Originally Posted By Jmacken37: With the tax law changes, we should likely start a more up to date list. My suspicion is that we'll have more suppliers popping up. |
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Originally Posted By jhereg: Do you really think so? Last I heard I thought FTroop had pretty much banned any premade parts you could turn into a suppressor. Originally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By Jmacken37: With the tax law changes, we should likely start a more up to date list. My suspicion is that we'll have more suppliers popping up. |
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Originally Posted By jhereg: Do you really think so? Last I heard I thought FTroop had pretty much banned any premade parts you could turn into a suppressor. You mean like how they banned bumpstocks? Chevron is dead, battered wife syndrome form 1 people need to grow a pair IMO. |
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https://www.subzerosupply.com/ These guys have an interesting option for a large volume (1.75”) tube that narrows to a HUB threaded base. Would be a nice option for a Subgun can. |
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Originally Posted By Jmacken37: https://www.subzerosupply.com/ These guys have an interesting option for a large volume (1.75”) tube that narrows to a HUB threaded base. Would be a nice option for a Subgun can. It seems like someone played this game before and lost. |
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Originally Posted By Nexttime: You mean like how they banned bumpstocks? Chevron is dead, battered wife syndrome form 1 people need to grow a pair IMO. Originally Posted By Nexttime: Originally Posted By jhereg: Do you really think so? Last I heard I thought FTroop had pretty much banned any premade parts you could turn into a suppressor. You mean like how they banned bumpstocks? Chevron is dead, battered wife syndrome form 1 people need to grow a pair IMO. |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: Even with the $0 stamp, those seem awful close to the kit parts that got the ATF knocking on the door in the past. Pretty sure one company owner was tried and convicted. |
| Several years back I made a few form 1 cans using the Sealed Power VS 794 valve spring as a spacer and expansion chamber. Now that I have 10 approved form 1s to build I want to order some more, but I am having a hard time finding them. I ordered some McQuay- Norris VS794 springs, but they are 2 big and won't fit in the tube. So my question is, does anyone have any idea where I can get some Sealed Power VS794 springs or ones that are the same diameter? |
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Originally Posted By garyd: Several years back I made a few form 1 cans using the Sealed Power VS 794 valve spring as a spacer and expansion chamber. Now that I have 10 approved form 1s to build I want to order some more, but I am having a hard time finding them. I ordered some McQuay- Norris VS794 springs, but they are 2 big and won't fit in the tube. So my question is, does anyone have any idea where I can get some Sealed Power VS794 springs or ones that are the same diameter? A number of these show the technical specs, I know that there's no VS 794 listed, but maybe you could find a close match. You can also search for other manufacturers.... https://www.rockauto.com/en/partsearch/?mfr=SEALED+POWER&parttype=5792 |
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Originally Posted By nefj40: A number of these show the technical specs, I know that there's no VS 794 listed, but maybe you could find a close match. You can also search for other manufacturers.... https://www.rockauto.com/en/partsearch/?mfr=SEALED+POWER&parttype=5792 Thanks, I did try that, but it got confusing real quick. I did end up finding a box of them on ebay. |
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I want to F1 a large volume .22lr supressor to match my AR22. I will 3d print the baffles and figure out ways to get a hub adapter installed. I need 1.5" or bigger aluminum tubing by the foot. Obviously hub threaded on one end would be great and a undrilled end cap as well. I realize no one sells that stuff anymore. I may buy that mini cnc on kickstarter. That will easily make a endcap. But are there any places that sell it online that is quality? |
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