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Posted: 7/22/2011 3:31:35 AM EDT
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So I'm very tempted to build a pseudo scout. A lighter round, maybe for one of my kids when they grow up or my wife.
But I have a few questions. I want to make this cut weight, how much would a stainless with synthetic stock weigh? Would it be a bad idea to have the barrel short as possible? I was thinking 14 " bArrell with a perm flash hider. Think this would effect anything, really only thinking about a 200 to 300 yard gun. What kind of accuracy could I expect? (even if I have to mod to get better). Is there a forward scope mount that's not bulky? I don't want a quad rail. Thanks for any help in advanced! |
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~14" with a perm'd hider is almost AC556K length. They were factory 13" with hider, iirc.
I'd think you'd be better off going with a 16" Tactical model; at least then you could strut it. As far as rails go, I can't say much; my Ranch isn't set up scout-style. I keep my rails over the receiver. The Amega for the 580-series is like 8oz, I know. Don't remember how much the Ultimak is. Either way, you can pretty much forget about any kind of co-wtiness with your optic; sights on the mini are too dang low for that jazz. So if you're worried about your optic taking a crap on you, might want to invest in a QD mount. Stainless Mini-14/20 with synth stock is 6.75 pounds, according to the Ruger site. They don't make a 16" Tac in stainless, but it don't much matter since they weigh the same as the 18" ones anyway. Little handier maybe. That Ranch of mine will shoot minute-of-bad-dude out to about 275 yds, after that I'm not 100% sure I could tag a bad guy on the first shot. Definitely gonna want to strut it though; at 100 yds she'll string a 20-rounder out over 8 inches up and right. I understand the shorter Tactical models don't string nearly that bad, plus the hider helps some too. |
| I have one of the new ranch rifles and sunday I was shooting with iron sight at a b-27 police target and managed to put a 20 round mag into a 4 inch circle with cheap cabelas 62 grain herters ammo . I can garranty the barrel was heated up when i was shooting. yes I was shooting off the bench with a bag. personally I would not cut the barrel on a tac model or for what its worth the ranch model either . I dont think it will take much work to make one of these new models hit center of mass at 300 yds . I would invest in ammo and magazines. |
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So I'm very tempted to build a pseudo scout. A lighter round, maybe for one of my kids when they grow up or my wife. But I have a few questions. I want to make this cut weight, how much would a stainless with synthetic stock weigh? Would it be a bad idea to have the barrel short as possible? I was thinking 14 " bArrell with a perm flash hider. Think this would effect anything, really only thinking about a 200 to 300 yard gun. What kind of accuracy could I expect? (even if I have to mod to get better). Is there a forward scope mount that's not bulky? I don't want a quad rail. Thanks for any help in advanced! The Mini's barrel is already pretty short. Some owners of older, pencil-barrel Minis shorten them to 1/8" over minimum legal length, and most report varying degrees of accuracy gains.gains. The problem with this approach is that you also lose initial velocity, which translates into reduced effective range. If you+your firearm+your ammo can shoot at 6MOA level, the max effective range against an 18" target is 300 yds for a 100% first hit probability. OTOH, if you can shoot 2 MOA, your max effective range, same target, is 900 yds. The short-barreled mini is never going to be a long-, or even medium-range carbine. That said, why give up what little barrel that you've got? Reducing the initial velocity of the bullet reduces effective range in a number of ways, but that becomes a bit technical, and takes a long post. Long story short, there are other ways of increasing accuracy, which do not involve reducing bullet velocity, and which not only aid in accuracy, but perform other useful functions as well. YMMV. My suggestion for you is to obtain an aftermarket, lightweight, tight-fitting synthetic stock. This cuts weight, and because of generally tighter fit than wooden stocks, improves accuracy. Add an Accu-Strut. Adding a Scout scope mount (google Ultimak and AmengaRanges) will add stiffness to the barrel also, and adds little additional bulk over OEM handguard. Accu-Strut + Scout Mount adds stiffness to both portions of the barrel on either side of gas block. Best of both worlds. Add a Choate combo flash suppressor and winged front sight unit. Adds a little muzzle-whip-retarding weight, and the improved sight picture will aid in accuracy. Dunno how much benefit any of these devices have on newer, thicker barrels, but the effect of barrel stiffening will still be there. If you want a great rifle with which to train your kids, your wife, or anyone else, and spend a LOT less money than shooting .223/5.56mm ammo, see my 10-22 trainer thread in Rimfire Fforum here. |
Here's my 181 series Mini-14 that I had the barrel shortened to 16" with the factory winged front sight from a 185 series mini and added a Ultimak handguard . The optic is a 30mm Ultradot. Stock is a Hogue Ghillie tan and the suppressor is an early Smith Vortex.
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Here's my 181 series Mini-14 that I had the barrel shortened to 16" with the factory winged front sight from a 185 series mini and added a Ultimak handguard . The optic is a 30mm Ultradot. Stock is a Hogue Ghillie tan and the suppressor is an early Smith Vortex. http://blfuller.ptera.net/mini_lores.jpg Nice rifle man! Exactly what I wanna do. Although I might add a Ching sling. |
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Here's my 181 series Mini-14 that I had the barrel shortened to 16" with the factory winged front sight from a 185 series mini and added a Ultimak handguard . The optic is a 30mm Ultradot. Stock is a Hogue Ghillie tan and the suppressor is an early Smith Vortex. http://blfuller.ptera.net/mini_lores.jpg Nice rifle man! Exactly what I wanna do. Although I might add a Ching sling. Adding a 3-point ching sling to a rifle that regularly mounts a magazine that protrudes much more than the trigger guard guarantees that the sling will get caught up in the mag so often as to render the exercise pointless––and maybe self-defeating. BTDT. Trust me on this, OK, . If Ruger, or some other vendor made 10-rd mags for the Mini, maybe they could work in conjunction with a ching sling. Absent totally reliable 10-rd mags, it is one or the other. Again, I have tried it. |
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I have to report that I haven't had that problem with my Specter Gear sling, but I imagine that's because I'm using a Mini-specific sling on a Mini.
Only problem with my sling, in fact, is you can't go cross-shoulder with it without those funky buckles, and even then it's kind of awkward. There just doesn't seem to be a really good way to do it. |
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I would like to "Scout" a Mini-30...that would be a handy little feller...legal for hunting too. I see Ultimak now has a model for the "new" production mini's . I wouldn't mind a 6.8 if ruger would revise their chamber and twist . ETA- Also , Tech-sights has an all steel rear sight for the new mini's and old Ranch's. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I would like to "Scout" a Mini-30...that would be a handy little feller...legal for hunting too. I see Ultimak now has a model for the "new" production mini's . I wouldn't mind a 6.8 if ruger would revise their chamber and twist . ETA- Also , Tech-sights has an all steel rear sight for the new mini's and old Ranch's. Sweet...I will have to look that up. A 6.8 would be a could little Mini-27! |
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If Ruger, or some other vendor made 10-rd mags for the Mini, maybe they could work in conjunction with a ching sling. Absent totally reliable 10-rd mags, it is one or the other. Again, I have tried it. Ask and ye shall receive... RUGER FACTORY 10 ROUND MAGAZINES 
These work perfectly. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I would like to "Scout" a Mini-30...that would be a handy little feller...legal for hunting too. Just take this... http://www.ruger.com/products/miniThirty/images/5854.jpg and add this... http://www.ultimak.com/products/m4-Sinst.jpg Sir, I am currently making a list to make this happen. I once had a Mini-14 Stainless Ranch Rifle that came with a factory Salt and Pepper laminate stock. I have never seen another one like it (I traded it off for a Ruger Old Army  ), and now I want a Mini-30 Scout. |
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From what I have gathered, there are two companies that make scout mounts for the mini platform.
I have known about the Ultimak for quite some time and believe it is the superior product because of their track record and because the mounting platform is lower and closer to bore. The other mount is the Amega Mount which I have known about for a while but is less popular than the Ultimak and for some reason I do not like as much, it may be its finish is a bit shiner than the flat black/parkerized look of the Ultimak. Something has given me the impression that the Amega is of lower quality than the Ulitmak. That being said, I have no justification for my bias in opinion due to the fact that I have only handled Ultimak rials. GunDoc uses both on his builds so they must be quality products. One thing that separates the Amega from the Ultimak is that the Amega can be used on ANY mini from the thinner barrels to the beefy factory target barrel. The other advantage of the Amega is that they offer a kit to mount a light on either side of the mount via picatinny add-ons. One other difference is that the Amega also has a lip that extends slightly over the slide to protect your fingers to fill the role of the current Ruger factory handguard, yet the slide is still exposed for what I assume is ascetics. The Ultimak leaves this exposed in the tradition of our classic military rifles (and probably for weight too....). The major drawback of the Amega rail is that is bulkier than the Ultimak as you can see from the pictures on their website. I know that the Ultimak rail is good but am not sure about the Amega; it may be due to the popularity of the Ultimak which leads me to prefer them over the Amega. Maybe someone else knows more about them. The Amega is also featured on shopruger.com and is branded with the Ruger emblem and name if you are looking for something that is branded. Ultimak 
Amega 
Amega's light mount 
(these pictures were taken from the each company's' website) Links: Ultimak Mini-14 mounts (as mentioned above in previous posts) Amega Mounts, their website is pretty informative and do an okay job at describing the accessories for their rail system, i wish they were explicit as to the angle for which the light rail mounts to the rial system. more info on Amiga's light mount, if this interests you |
| I personally did not buy the Amega Ranges mount because of the huge gap between the forearm and the mount, it also sat up higher. Aside from that they are pretty comperable with the exception of the finish. The Amega is anodized and the Ultimak is hard anodized which is a much more durable finish. |
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I personally did not buy the Amega Ranges mount because of the huge gap between the forearm and the mount, it also sat up higher. Aside from that they are pretty comperable with the exception of the finish. The Amega is anodized and the Ultimak is hard anodized which is a much more durable finish. thats it! i knew there was something i liked about the Ultimak over the Amega.... i remember now... good point! and by the way, your gun looks great, the way that stock looks is perfect on that thing. i think i am going to do something very similar... |
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That'd be a different kind of "mini" scout right there . I'm probably a rare person to consider it . I'd cut the bbl to 15" and add a 9mm flash suppressor perm attached . Timney trigger . Reprofile the bbl to fit a scout rail and T1 or H1 dot . Rear peep attached via rear scope mount . Cut the length of pull by a an inch and a half. For ammo I'd pull the bullets on some Buffalo Bore and swap them with some Barnes . |
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That'd be a different kind of "mini" scout right there . I'm probably a rare person to consider it . I'd cut the bbl to 15" and add a 9mm flash suppressor perm attached . Timney trigger . Reprofile the bbl to fit a scout rail and T1 or H1 dot . Rear peep attached via rear scope mount . Cut the length of pull by a an inch and a half. For ammo I'd pull the bullets on some Buffalo Bore and swap them with some Barnes . There's a thread on that gun on the scout forums, it would be a great little cub scout, cheap to practice with to when shooting 38spc I'd rather see them use a single stack mag though. A DE mag would have been great. Buy seems like a fun gun I have the gun site scout, love it, but I want to addapt the scout platform into a semi auto shtf type assult rifle. When 10 slower rounds of 308 won't due. Maybe even a scout to throw my wife, trying to convince her a hello kitty ar isn't the way to go 
Thanks for all the input. I might be having a trade with a fellow board member to get a mini (even comes with a extra pink and black stock) 
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If Ruger, or some other vendor made 10-rd mags for the Mini, maybe they could work in conjunction with a ching sling. Absent totally reliable 10-rd mags, it is one or the other. Again, I have tried it. Ask and ye shall receive... RUGER FACTORY 10 ROUND MAGAZINES http://shopruger.com/images/90339_L.jpg These work perfectly. Yes, I had forgotten about those. Thanks for the reminder. |
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There's a thread on that gun on the scout forums, it would be a great little cub scout, cheap to practice with to when shooting 38spc I'd rather see them use a single stack mag though. A DE mag would have been great. Buy seems like a fun gun I have the gun site scout, love it, but I want to addapt the scout platform into a semi auto shtf type assult rifle. When 10 slower rounds of 308 won't due. Maybe even a scout to throw my wife, trying to convince her a hello kitty ar isn't the way to go
Thanks for all the input. I might be having a trade with a fellow board member to get a mini (even comes with a extra pink and black stock)
I have a Ruger GSR and an AR-10. I've had the AR-10 for a while, but just recently overhauled it into the configuration I wanted. It's an Armalite, with a slick side upper, an M4 profile (???) 16inch barrel with a Troy TRX handguard. Wit the scope it's over 10 pounds unloaded. I don't see a lot of room for weight reduction and that is what makes the Ruger GSR so attractive. 
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Ok so I bit, hook line and sinker! I have a trade pending on the ee for a 580 series mini 14 ranch rifle. Roots are sunk in so no backing out now. What did I get my self into? I've always wanted a mini so I'm defenetly psyched! Now I'm ready to start planning my mods. It did come with some extras, none if witch I know the first thing about. A ramline synthetic stock and a masen flash hider. The stock, well is pink ( it actually got me the ok from the wife) little does she know there is duracoat allready ordered 
The masen looks cool but I imagine I'm going to thread the barrel and go a more secure rout. Plus some 20 rounders and a 5. I'm going to have to figure out another sling favorite or get some of those 10 round mags. Can I put the stabilizer strut on this model? It does look like ultimak does make a rail for this. I know I'm counting my money before the cards are delt, so don't worrie I'll shoot with irons and make sure its reliable and learn my rifle before I spend more cash. I also wanna thank this sub topic forum, it made me finally get off my ass and get a mini. Converted me, I think I'm a complete ruger fan boy now. ( even though I'm trading off my lcr in the deal) 
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So I'm very tempted to build a pseudo scout. A lighter round, maybe for one of my kids when they grow up or my wife. But I have a few questions. I want to make this cut weight, how much would a stainless with synthetic stock weigh? Would it be a bad idea to have the barrel short as possible? I was thinking 14 " bArrell with a perm flash hider. Think this would effect anything, really only thinking about a 200 to 300 yard gun. What kind of accuracy could I expect? (even if I have to mod to get better). Is there a forward scope mount that's not bulky? I don't want a quad rail. Thanks for any help in advanced! I have the Amega scout mount with Bushnell a red dot. These are the only pics I have of it. Sorry, I'm not a photographer. 
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Did anyone ever try to co witness a aimpoint using the ultimak rail? If that's possible I'm going with ultimak, I'f not then I'm going with the other so I can mount a light easier. I would mount one to the accu strut I plan on purchasing but I want that real-estate for a bipod. Now just to pick up the rifle Friday and shoot the piss out of it. 
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It is extremely difficult to mount any optic on a Scout-type rail, and have the optic and iron sights co-witness. This is much more easily done on AR-type rifles, wich have more sight-mounting options than the Mini.
Did anyone ever try to co witness a aimpoint using the ultimak rail? If that's possible I'm going with ultimak, I'f not then I'm going with the other so I can mount a light easier. I would mount one to the accu strut I plan on purchasing but I want that real-estate for a bipod. Now just to pick up the rifle Friday and shoot the piss out of it. This being the case, most any Scout rifle with iron sights and forward-mounted optic must have the optic mounted using QD rings that are quick to mount and dismount, and are guaranteed Return-to-Zero. I favor Leupold QRW rings, as they are quick to use, return-to-zero, and will the guts will stay together when the unit is dismounted. some rings'guts will come loose, and that is a bad flaw, IMHO. Whatever rings or mounting device you use, make a HUGE point of getting the optic as low as humanly possible so you can get a good, quick cheek weld without wasting time. As far as a bipod goes, I only use them on dedicated long-range, scoped rifles. For most other applications, it is much better to practice marksmanship so that a bipod is not needed, and this is not too hard to do. If you must mount a bipod on your Mini, attach it to the stock fore-end, not the barrel or even the accu-strut. Mounting it anywhere but the stock is asking for bipod-induced changes in point-of-impact. Ask most any FAL owner about this problem. |
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Agreed on the qd rings! Cowitness is a nifty thing, and I heard the aimpoint micro does and maybe another aimpoint. But Those were story's on other forums, no one who actually had it. I plan on using tech sights, maybe I could work something out. Good point on the bipod. Defenetly not something I would keep on I do want the weapon light. But my scout rifles play multiple rolls. A light scout, or cub scout like this one will me used for Varmit hunting and it would be nice to have a bipod for that.
I never thought that it might change point of aim being mounted on the accustrut. |
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