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Posted: 2/24/2015 5:59:13 PM EDT
| I'm trying to become familiar with the laws and process related to legally owning a Colt SBR, specifically a registered M4A1 lower. Are most of you folks that have gone through the ATF process buying their Colt M4A1 SBRs directly from Colt or a third party or are you engraving your M4A1 lowers with the name of your trust? The only Colt SBR'd lowers that I have found have the "M4 Carbine" roll mark, rather than the "M4A1 Carbine" roll Mark I am searching for. Thanks. |
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I'm trying to become familiar with the laws and process related to legally owning a Colt SBR, specifically a registered M4A1 lower. Are most of you folks that have gone through the ATF process buying their Colt M4A1 SBRs directly from Colt or a third party or are you engraving your M4A1 lowers with the name of your trust? The only Colt SBR'd lowers that I have found have the "M4 Carbine" roll mark, rather than the "M4A1 Carbine" roll Mark I am searching for. Thanks. You would have to buy the M4A1 lower and Form 1 it (engrave trust info on lower). When you fill out the form, make sure you put what is engraved (technically rolled on I guess) on the lower (aka "M4 CARBINE" or "M4A1 CARBINE") and not LE6920 or LE6920SOCOM respectively as the model. A lot of people get disapproved forms because of this. |
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You have two options.
1. Buy whatever Colt lower you want with whatever rollmark you like, Form 1 it, engrave your trust info, and you're done. 2. Buy a factory Colt SBR (not recommended IMHO) on a Form 4, live with the rollmark that comes on it, don't engrave anything because you don't engrave your trust on a factory SBR, and you're done. |
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I'm trying to become familiar with the laws and process related to legally owning a Colt SBR, specifically a registered M4A1 lower. Are most of you folks that have gone through the ATF process buying their Colt M4A1 SBRs directly from Colt or a third party or are you engraving your M4A1 lowers with the name of your trust? The only Colt SBR'd lowers that I have found have the "M4 Carbine" roll mark, rather than the "M4A1 Carbine" roll Mark I am searching for. Thanks. A lower is not an SBR by itself. You can buy any lower you want, and register it as an SBR with a Form 1, then buy the upper you want. You will have to engrave it with this method. If you're looking at a complete rifle that's registered as an SBR, you need to transfer it on a Form 4 and no engraving is required. |
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You would have to buy the M4A1 lower and Form 1 it (engrave trust info on lower). When you fill out the form, make sure you put what is engraved (technically rolled on I guess) on the lower (aka "M4 CARBINE" or "M4A1 CARBINE") and not LE6920 or LE6920SOCOM respectively as the model. A lot of people get disapproved forms because of this. Well fuck, just submitted my first Form 1 last week on an M4A1 lower and picked "LE6920socom" from the drop down menu. Figures  
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2. Buy a factory Colt SBR (not recommended IMHO). Why? 
It will take longer and be more expensive than just Form 1'ing a lower and buying whatever upper he wants. Plus if his dealer doesn't have what he wants in stock, he'll have to wait for a Form 3 and pay a transfer fee on top of his tax stamp. There is a reason factory SBRs aren't near as common as Form 1 SBRs. |
| Go here SBR Forum to ask questions of this type. The mods will probably move this thread anyway there anyway. |
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You have two options. 1. Buy whatever Colt lower you want with whatever rollmark you like, Form 1 it, engrave your trust info, and you're done. 2. Buy a factory Colt SBR (not recommended IMHO) on a Form 4, live with the rollmark that comes on it, don't engrave anything because you don't engrave your trust on a factory SBR, and you're done. +1 And ill add that you can find just about any Colt lower you want on gun broker as long as you are willing to pay a little extra cash. Also i highly recommend Form 1, its WAY faster and chances are you wont ever sell it, because why would anyone buy a SBR from someone via form 4 when they can just Form 1 it in 1 month so who cares if it has your name on it. plus you dont have to send it off for expensive engraving, buy a $10 set of 1/16 letter punches off ebay and youre GTG |
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2. Buy a factory Colt SBR (not recommended IMHO). Why?
It will take longer and be more expensive than just Form 1'ing a lower and buying whatever upper he wants. Plus if his dealer doesn't have what he wants in stock, he'll have to wait for a Form 3 and pay a transfer fee on top of his tax stamp. There is a reason factory SBRs aren't near as common as Form 1 SBRs. For me the wait is worth not having to engrave the receiver or barrel. A factory Colt SBR will always be worth more than one made by Bobby Joe Dikfur Family Trust. 
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2. Buy a factory Colt SBR (not recommended IMHO). Why?
It will take longer and be more expensive than just Form 1'ing a lower and buying whatever upper he wants. Plus if his dealer doesn't have what he wants in stock, he'll have to wait for a Form 3 and pay a transfer fee on top of his tax stamp. There is a reason factory SBRs aren't near as common as Form 1 SBRs. For me the wait is worth not having to engrave the receiver or barrel. A factory Colt SBR will always be worth more than one made by Bobby Joe Dikfur Family Trust.
I could not care less about resale value on my guns. I buy them to keep and shoot, not to resell. The engraving cost $30 and took one day, and it has my last name and city on my rifle, which I like; it wasn't a big deal at all. Do it right and you'll never even notice it. |
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2. Buy a factory Colt SBR (not recommended IMHO). Why?
It will take longer and be more expensive than just Form 1'ing a lower and buying whatever upper he wants. Plus if his dealer doesn't have what he wants in stock, he'll have to wait for a Form 3 and pay a transfer fee on top of his tax stamp. There is a reason factory SBRs aren't near as common as Form 1 SBRs. For me the wait is worth not having to engrave the receiver or barrel. A factory Colt SBR will always be worth more than one made by Bobby Joe Dikfur Family Trust.
it wont be worth more than a regular colt rifle and harder to move because people will say gee, why dont I just buy a regular one and play with it now while my e-form 1 gets processed then i can just buy a colt upper afterwards. they still have to pay the stamp, but form 1 allows them not to deal with the waiting on transferring to get yours you had for sale |
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For me the wait is worth not having to engrave the receiver or barrel. A factory Colt SBR will always be worth more than one made by Bobby Joe Dikfur Family Trust.
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2. Buy a factory Colt SBR (not recommended IMHO). Why?
It will take longer and be more expensive than just Form 1'ing a lower and buying whatever upper he wants. Plus if his dealer doesn't have what he wants in stock, he'll have to wait for a Form 3 and pay a transfer fee on top of his tax stamp. There is a reason factory SBRs aren't near as common as Form 1 SBRs. For me the wait is worth not having to engrave the receiver or barrel. A factory Colt SBR will always be worth more than one made by Bobby Joe Dikfur Family Trust.
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A factory Colt SBR will always be worth more than one made by Bobby Joe Dikfur Family Trust.
it wont be worth more than a regular colt rifle SBRs with F1 engravings are almost unsellable. In many cases the seller will not want to sell it since it has his maqrkings on it. But I can sell my 6933 or 6921 for more than I paid for them (and have), as well as my factory SBR Noveskes, etc. |
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OP, I see your homestate is listed as Washington. I suggest you check the Washington Hometown Forum because Washington's SBR laws have some peculiarities compared to Federal law.
ETA for speling |
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