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Posted: 4/26/2012 3:37:34 PM EDT
| Ifr you could only have one, what SBR would you get for CQB range out to 100-150 yards? What caliber? platform? length? It can not be a SBS. |
| Your question is almost impossible to answer without knowing more about your goals. If money is no object and you're talking about a limited engagement (like home defense) and not armagedon (where ammo availablity would be a problem), an 8.5" 6.8SPC is a great weapon. If you're talking about a prolonged period of time where cleaning materials may not be plentiful, I'd go with a short barrelled AK (like an AK-105 or even a krinkov) in 7.62x39. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 10.5 to 11.5" AR15 in 5.56, and it serves our spec ops troops very well, but it doesn't have the terminal ballistics of the other two. |
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Your question is almost impossible to answer without knowing more about your goals. I was thinking along the lines of home defense / PDW / range toy Well, It would be hard to encompass all three of those in one package, however.... I would recommend something along the lines of an SBR AR, 5.56 caliber, in about 11.5" barrel length. My 11.5" AR is short enough that it can easily be used for home defense, yet is still a rifle. With the right barrel twist and ammunition, the 5.56 round from an 11.5" SBR can deliver good terminal effect to 200 yards. You can also use cheaper .223 loads for range use. If you were looking for a compact PDW type weapon, you could always swap the upper for the rifle. I have a 7.5" 9mm upper that works very well and is a very compact package. Also, if you so chose, you could get uppers for 6.8 SPC, .300 Blackout, 7.62 x 39, 5.45 x 39, 458 SOCOM, etc; all for the same registered lower. |
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Your question is almost impossible to answer without knowing more about your goals. I was thinking along the lines of home defense / PDW / range toy Well, It would be hard to encompass all three of those in one package, however.... I would recommend something along the lines of an SBR AR, 5.56 caliber, in about 11.5" barrel length. My 11.5" AR is short enough that it can easily be used for home defense, yet is still a rifle. With the right barrel twist and ammunition, the 5.56 round from an 11.5" SBR can deliver good terminal effect to 200 yards. You can also use cheaper .223 loads for range use. If you were looking for a compact PDW type weapon, you could always swap the upper for the rifle. I have a 7.5" 9mm upper that works very well and is a very compact package. Also, if you so chose, you could get uppers for 6.8 SPC, .300 Blackout, 7.62 x 39, 5.45 x 39, 458 SOCOM, etc; all for the same registered lower. I don't think that it is that important for it to as compact as a traditional PDW. If it ever comes to the point where I NEED to use it as a PDW, keeping it concealed will probably be the least of my worries. What about a Draco or Mini Draco SBR? |
| I had a Draco before. It was a great gun, and would make a very good SBR. You don't loose as much muzzle velocity with the 7.62 x 39 as you do the 5.56 when going to an SBR. With the price of surplus 7.62 x 39, it would be a great range toy. However, if using for home defense, I would highly recommend some sort of muzzle brake on the end. I remember shooting mine and you would get a beach ball sized fire ball out the end with no brake. With a Krink-style brake, it was much less since the blast was directed outward. |
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I had a Draco before. It was a great gun, and would make a very good SBR. You don't loose as much muzzle velocity with the 7.62 x 39 as you do the 5.56 when going to an SBR. With the price of surplus 7.62 x 39, it would be a great range toy. However, if using for home defense, I would highly recommend some sort of muzzle brake on the end. I remember shooting mine and you would get a beach ball sized fire ball out the end with no brake. With a Krink-style brake, it was much less since the blast was directed outward. What about 5.45x39? Does it do good out of an SBR? |
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I had a Draco before. It was a great gun, and would make a very good SBR. You don't loose as much muzzle velocity with the 7.62 x 39 as you do the 5.56 when going to an SBR. With the price of surplus 7.62 x 39, it would be a great range toy. However, if using for home defense, I would highly recommend some sort of muzzle brake on the end. I remember shooting mine and you would get a beach ball sized fire ball out the end with no brake. With a Krink-style brake, it was much less since the blast was directed outward. What about 5.45x39? Does it do good out of an SBR? The only SBR 5.45x39 I'm familiar with is the AKS-74U with a 9" barrel. I'm told that it was issued to Russian special forces troops and they hated it and would trade back for the regular AK-74 because of the velocity loss from the short barrel. They affectionately named it "Schuka", or "expletive for female dog." With SBR's, accuracy wise, I'm sure you'd do fine out to 100 yards, but just realize that you can't expect the same terminal ballistics that you would see from a 16" + carbine at that range. I can bust clay pigeons all day long at 50 yards with a red dot on my 11.5" AR, but I realize that lighter grain bullets don't hold velocity well as they travel down range. The US special forces issue their troops the Mk 262 77 grain bullet because it holds its velocity down range better and it doesn't rely on the fragmentation effect that the 55 gr M193 round has. With a 11.5" barrel and Mk 262, you can get good terminal performance to about 200 yards. |
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