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Posted: 12/12/2011 9:46:44 AM EDT
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You cannot be vague on the Form 1. You cannot build a SBE in a range of calibers or barrel lengths, just one. Choose the single barrel length and caliber you plan to use to construct the SBR and send it in.
You could potentially waste weeks or even months by being vague, confusing or imprecise. They will send the forms back when they notice. |
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Posted: 12/12/2011 10:26:16 AM EDT
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Put one length down. You can change the length whenever you feel like when you get your sbr completed.
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Posted: 12/12/2011 10:43:37 AM EDT
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Ok thanks. Ill just make a decision on what I'm going to use and go with it. thanks
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Posted: 12/12/2011 11:30:38 AM EDT
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When filling out for the OAL of the gun, write in 19" more than your barrel length. For instance a 10.5" is 29.5" OAL. If you write that in and purchase an 11.5 just write the NFA and tell them the original configuration has changed on the F1.
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Posted: 12/18/2011 5:37:01 AM EDT
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I am slightly confused. I thought the OAL of an SBR was under 26"?
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Posted: 12/18/2011 8:18:57 AM EDT
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I am slightly confused. I thought the OAL of an SBR was under 26"? Not necessarily. A "short barreled rifle" has a barrel of less than 16" OR an OAL of less than 26". It does not have to be both (though it can). If it is either less than 26" OAL or has a barrel less than 16", it is legally a SBR. |
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Posted: 12/18/2011 8:41:58 AM EDT
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I am slightly confused. I thought the OAL of an SBR was under 26"? You measure the OAL with the stock fully extended |
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Posted: 12/18/2011 9:16:13 AM EDT
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Ok. Thanks for explaining.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:10:52 AM EDT
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OK, not to hijack, but I also need the clarification.
My Form 1 was filled out for a 10.5" barrel; now that the rifle is built I am unhappy with the barrel and would like to switch to a 10" barrel. All I have to do is write the ATF and tell them my barrel and OAL have changed? |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:20:01 AM EDT
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OK, not to hijack, but I also need the clarification. My Form 1 was filled out for a 10.5" barrel; now that the rifle is built I am unhappy with the barrel and would like to switch to a 10" barrel. All I have to do is write the ATF and tell them my barrel and OAL have changed? i guess i know nothing |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 3:37:16 PM EDT
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OK, not to hijack, but I also need the clarification. My Form 1 was filled out for a 10.5" barrel; now that the rifle is built I am unhappy with the barrel and would like to switch to a 10" barrel. All I have to do is write the ATF and tell them my barrel and OAL have changed? Yes you are correct, just make sure you don't get rid of the 10.5 until you have sent the letter of change in and they have received. Absolutely incorrect! I keep seeing this answer posted and it's 100% baseless. Once your SBR is built, you are free to change barrel lengths at will with no further ATF notification. You do not need to keep the original configuration either. Sell it, trade it, give it away if you want. Just enjoy the unobstructed use of your rifle... |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 5:32:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: OK, not to hijack, but I also need the clarification. My Form 1 was filled out for a 10.5" barrel; now that the rifle is built I am unhappy with the barrel and would like to switch to a 10" barrel. All I have to do is write the ATF and tell them my barrel and OAL have changed? Yes you are correct, just make sure you don't get rid of the 10.5 until you have sent the letter of change in and they have received. Absolutely incorrect! I keep seeing this answer posted and it's 100% baseless. Once your SBR is built, you are free to change barrel lengths at will with no further ATF notification. You do not need to keep the original configuration either. Sell it, trade it, give it away if you want. Just enjoy the unobstructed use of your rifle... No idea where Bigmiker21 got his info but it's flat out wrong. Homeinvader is correct. Get yer stamp and enjoy my friend! |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 6:02:54 PM EDT
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As far as where Bigmiker21 got his information .... well, it was probably from ATF itself.
Here's the deal: –– There is no law against the owner of a registered SBR changing the barrel length once the Form 1 has been approved, even if that means he cannot return the registered item to the spex listed on the Form 1. ––ATF is required, by Congress and by federal law, to maintain the NFA Registry in as accurate a form as possible. That's why they "request" that you notify them in writing whenever you change calibers/dimensions/etc. They must do so, because they are required to do so by federal law. So can you be charged with a crime if you fail to notify them (or fail to maintain the parts necessary to return it to the configuration described on the Form 1, and listed in the NFA Registry)? No. Would you potentially piss off the same jack-booted thugs who like to shoot pet dogs and pregnant women if you fail to comply with their requests? Ummm ..... If you want to sell the upper that meets the Form 1 spex and get another, just spend the ten minutes it takes to drop them a note with the new dimensions. 
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Posted: 1/15/2012 6:34:11 PM EDT
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OK, not to hijack, but I also need the clarification. My Form 1 was filled out for a 10.5" barrel; now that the rifle is built I am unhappy with the barrel and would like to switch to a 10" barrel. All I have to do is write the ATF and tell them my barrel and OAL have changed? I might be wrong, but I dont think I would worry about a .5" on my barrel length. |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 1:41:44 PM EDT
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Does the 19" more then whatever barrel length I use work with every stock configuration? For instance, I am planning on installing a Magpul CTR with an 11.5 Colt upper receiver. If i was to install a LMT Sopmod would I plan on writing in the same OAL in the form?
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Posted: 3/5/2012 2:50:37 PM EDT
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Can the caliber change? Like say file it as a 5.56 then build a 9mm upper down the road? are you only allowed to posses ONE SBR upper at a time?
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Posted: 3/5/2012 4:00:30 PM EDT
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Does the 19" more then whatever barrel length I use work with every stock configuration? For instance, I am planning on installing a Magpul CTR with an 11.5 Colt upper receiver. If i was to install a LMT Sopmod would I plan on writing in the same OAL in the form? A CTR and SOPMOD are so similarly dimensioned that it's really a moot point regarding OALs. I've put a Vltor Modstock on my previously equipped SOPMOD lower to effectively reduce the collapsed OAL by 1" and it is completely legal to do so. Even when a pre86 M16 is transferred with an A2 stock you can switch it to a collapsible and the OAL will change and there's nothing illegal about it. A simple rule of thumb of barrel length + 19" would be a good starting point for any AR SBR with a collapsible stock. |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 4:52:33 PM EDT
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Does the 19" more then whatever barrel length I use work with every stock configuration? For instance, I am planning on installing a Magpul CTR with an 11.5 Colt upper receiver. If i was to install a LMT Sopmod would I plan on writing in the same OAL in the form? A CTR and SOPMOD are so similarly dimensioned that it's really a moot point regarding OALs. I've put a Vltor Modstock on my previously equipped SOPMOD lower to effectively reduce the collapsed OAL by 1" and it is completely legal to do so. Even when a pre86 M16 is transferred with an A2 stock you can switch it to a collapsible and the OAL will change and there's nothing illegal about it. A simple rule of thumb of barrel length + 19" would be a good starting point for any AR SBR with a collapsible stock. Awesome. Thanks LMT. I'm hoping to get this started this week. I have been putting it off due to a lot of questions that I had. And nervousness on not filling the paperwork out properly and trying to get the CLEO signature. |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 4:55:00 PM EDT
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Can the caliber change? Like say file it as a 5.56 then build a 9mm upper down the road? are you only allowed to posses ONE SBR upper at a time? You can possess as many SBR uppers as you please after approval. You should build the SBR per the configuration you defined on the Form 1, but there is no requirement to keep that configuration thereafter. |
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