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Posted: 11/16/2011 1:04:27 PM EDT
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I am waiting on a form 1 to return and do not know if engraving includes the word <trust] after the 'name'.
So, name / city state, or name + trust, / city state. This is for an SBRed lower / rifle. |
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I am waiting on a form 1 to return and do not know if engraving includes the word <trust] after the 'name'. So, name / city state, or name + trust, / city state. This is for an SBRed lower / rifle. If you filed the Form 1 as an individual, you do not need to include trust, obviously. If you created a trust, and the trust filed the Form 1, then the trust –– not you –– is the maker of record. You are not a trust. A trust that you created is not you. We are talking two distinct, different legal entities. ATF now requires that the entire trust name, as it appears in the trust documentation, must be engraved on the NFA firearm. So if your trust is the Alan 308 Revokable Living Trust, you must engrave "Alan 308 Revokable Living Trust". No abbreviations, no skipped words. The entire thing must be engraved, letter for letter. You may, however, lawfully abbreviate the name of your state in the engraving to the two-letter postal abbreviation. 
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So if you file a Form 1 as an individual, and what you put in Box 3b is the folllowing: Homer Jay Simpson II are you allowed to engrave it as the following? Homer J Simpson II Short answer: Technically, no. Long answer/explanation: Up until a couple of years ago, Tech Branch was pretty lenient on engraving regs. They didn't really object if 3b said "Homer Jay Simpson II" and you engraved it as "HJ Simpson." That all ended when trusts came onto the scene, and three things happened somewhat simultaneously: (A) Folks started using extreme abbreviations. So a Form 1 would in 3b list the Homer Jay Simpson Revokable Living Trust and instead the applicant would engrave the firearm with only "HJSRLT". (B) These same folks started posting all over the internet about how they had only engraved "HJSRLT" and how that was all you have to engrave. (C) The same idiots started putting the intended "HJSRLT" engraving in Box 4h, despite there being no requirement that you list your intended engraving anywhere on the Form 1. The net effect was that because these folks did things incorrectly and then repeatedly rubbed NFA Branch's noses in it, ATF took a new, harder stance, and today the only permitted abbreviations are for the name of your state. Everything else must be word for word as on the Form 1. Yet again, we have been screwed by internet commandoes. Sigh. 
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SO just to be simple here- srry guys but this is the reason I haven't filled one out yet- My trust as it appears on the the Declaration of Trust and Certification of Trust is the Darren Lucas Revocable Living Trust. Now, do I have to engrave exactly that or can I get away with say "Darren Lucas RLT/Jacksonville FL."?
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SO just to be simple here- srry guys but this is the reason I haven't filled one out yet- My trust as it appears on the the Declaration of Trust and Certification of Trust is the Darren Lucas Revocable Living Trust. Now, do I have to engrave exactly that or can I get away with say "Darren Lucas RLT/Jacksonville FL."? Thanks in advance. You must engrave the entire trust name, word for word. No abbreviations. So your required engraving is: Darren Lucas Revokable Living Trust Jacksonville FL Here's an ATF rejection letter for using abbreviations: 
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Does the word "trust" have be included in the name of the trust? Can I name my trust "txleapd" if I want? That is a question better addressed to a lawyer in your state. In many jurisdictions, yes, a trust must include the word "trust" in its title. But I don't live in Texas, so I can't address Texas law.
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Does the word "trust" have be included in the name of the trust? Can I name my trust "txleapd" if I want? That is a question better addressed to a lawyer in your state. In many jurisdictions, yes, a trust must include the word "trust" in its title. But I don't live in Texas, so I can't address Texas law.
Am I getting deja vu or didn't you already cover this seven times in this post already? All of the texting has ruined trillions of brain cells all over the country. 
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Does the word "trust" have be included in the name of the trust? Can I name my trust "txleapd" if I want? That is a question better addressed to a lawyer in your state. In many jurisdictions, yes, a trust must include the word "trust" in its title. But I don't live in Texas, so I can't address Texas law.
Am I getting deja vu or didn't you already cover this seven times in this post already? All of the texting has ruined trillions of brain cells all over the country. It wasn't clear. |
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