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Posted: 6/3/2011 7:40:04 PM EDT
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1. I was told by a class 3 dealer that I should register my SBR as a 7.5". I intend to build it as a 11.5". He says if its registered as a 11.5" I can go longer but not shorter. Is this true? From all the treads that Ive read I haven't herd of this.
2. If the overall length is measured with the stock extended. Than when its collapsed the gun just became shorter. Shouldnt it be measured as collapse. Than it cant possibly be shorter. Please enlighten me. 
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Quoted: My dealer gave me another form to send in with the form 1. It lists other barrel lengths that I will be using. Its just a part of there form one. Question 4. a-g that he cropped. Have you ever herd of doing this? He says they accept this. Is it necessary? Nope. Why are you dealing with a dealer for a Form 1? Fill out the Form 1 in duplicate, if you're doing it as an individual get duplicate signatures from the CLEO and duplicate passport photos, get your fingerprints taken, fill out the Certificate of Compliance, make out a $200 check to the DoJ and mail it in. You can put on different length uppers to match your heart's desires. There's no laws against that. If you make a permanent change (ie you have a 10.5" upper listed on the F1 and sell it to acquire ONLY a 7.5" upper) then the ATF asks that you inform them of said change. |
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(Why are you dealing with a dealer for a Form 1?) He was the one who set me up with his lawyer and had a trust made up. I was just asking him for his advise. He deals with these all the time. It sounds like he doesn't deal with them enough. List the configuration you intend to build on your form. You can swap uppers and barrel lengths as often as you want without notifying the ATF. Once an SBR is registered, you pretty much have free reign to modify it without any contact with the ATF. Only list 1 caliber and barrel length on the form. Don't use the dealer's extra form. Do not list multiple calibers or barrel lengths as the NFA branch has started to require a single configuration listed on the form. They will reject the application if you list multiple configurations and you'll have to change it before it's approved. |
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1. I was told by a class 3 dealer that I should register my SBR as a 7.5". I intend to build it as a 11.5". He says if its registered as a 11.5" I can go longer but not shorter. Is this true? From all the treads that Ive read I haven't herd of this. 2. If the overall length is measured with the stock extended. Than when its collapsed the gun just became shorter. Shouldnt it be measured as collapse. Than it cant possibly be shorter. Please enlighten me. 1) no. SBR is <16, so if you register at 11 you can go to 7, or 14, no difference. 2) no. Federal law defines overall length as extended, in the ready to use configuration. SOME states define length collapsed. But a F1 or F4 (being federal forms) should be done at the extended length. |
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What about differing calibers in the same length? I am waiting on my F4 (pending May 12), and it is a Noveske in .300 AAC. Can I buy a 10" 5.56 upper and be legal? You can temporarily change configurations legally and with no problems. You can permanently change configurations as much as you want legally and with no problems. The ATF prefers that you notify them of any permanent configuration changes, but there is absolutely no legal requirement to do so. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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(Why are you dealing with a dealer for a Form 1?) He was the one who set me up with his lawyer and had a trust made up. I was just asking him for his advise. He deals with these all the time. It sounds like he doesn't deal with them enough. List the configuration you intend to build on your form. You can swap uppers and barrel lengths as often as you want without notifying the ATF. Once an SBR is registered, you pretty much have free reign to modify it without any contact with the ATF. Only list 1 caliber and barrel length on the form. Don't use the dealer's extra form. Do not list multiple calibers or barrel lengths as the NFA branch has started to require a single configuration listed on the form. They will reject the application if you list multiple configurations and you'll have to change it before it's approved. Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? |
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Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? It does depend on who the examiner is, but as a whole, the NFA branch has stated that they are only approving forms with a single caliber and barrel length from now on. Some examiners have not begun following this guideline, but I wouldn't reccomend listing multiple configurations as you are really gambling on whether or not it will be approved. |
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Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? It does depend on who the examiner is, but as a whole, the NFA branch has stated that they are only approving forms with a single caliber and barrel length from now on. Some examiners have not begun following this guideline, but I wouldn't reccomend listing multiple configurations as you are really gambling on whether or not it will be approved. It also defies common sense to do so. Since the initial making of any firearm cannot encompass more than one caliber or barrel length, additional barrel lengths and calibers are completely out of context. Just list the initial barrel length and caliber and shed the nervousness.... |
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Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? It does depend on who the examiner is, but as a whole, the NFA branch has stated that they are only approving forms with a single caliber and barrel length from now on. Some examiners have not begun following this guideline, but I wouldn't reccomend listing multiple configurations as you are really gambling on whether or not it will be approved. It also defies common sense to do so. Since the initial making of any firearm cannot encompass more than one caliber or barrel length, additional barrel lengths and calibers are completely out of context. Just list the initial barrel length and caliber and shed the nervousness.... Defies common sense? Maybe so, but now I can change calibers and barrel lengths without said nervousness. |
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Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? It does depend on who the examiner is, but as a whole, the NFA branch has stated that they are only approving forms with a single caliber and barrel length from now on. Some examiners have not begun following this guideline, but I wouldn't reccomend listing multiple configurations as you are really gambling on whether or not it will be approved. It also defies common sense to do so. Since the initial making of any firearm cannot encompass more than one caliber or barrel length, additional barrel lengths and calibers are completely out of context. Just list the initial barrel length and caliber and shed the nervousness.... Defies common sense? Maybe so, but now I can change calibers and barrel lengths without said nervousness. You can change calibers/barrels without doing anything. The atf does not care if you use multiple uppers |
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Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? It does depend on who the examiner is, but as a whole, the NFA branch has stated that they are only approving forms with a single caliber and barrel length from now on. Some examiners have not begun following this guideline, but I wouldn't reccomend listing multiple configurations as you are really gambling on whether or not it will be approved. It also defies common sense to do so. Since the initial making of any firearm cannot encompass more than one caliber or barrel length, additional barrel lengths and calibers are completely out of context. Just list the initial barrel length and caliber and shed the nervousness.... Defies common sense? Maybe so, but now I can change calibers and barrel lengths without said nervousness. Said nervousness is better shed by understanding the law. |
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Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? It does depend on who the examiner is, but as a whole, the NFA branch has stated that they are only approving forms with a single caliber and barrel length from now on. Some examiners have not begun following this guideline, but I wouldn't reccomend listing multiple configurations as you are really gambling on whether or not it will be approved. It also defies common sense to do so. Since the initial making of any firearm cannot encompass more than one caliber or barrel length, additional barrel lengths and calibers are completely out of context. Just list the initial barrel length and caliber and shed the nervousness.... Said nervousness is better shed by understanding the law. Defies common sense? Maybe so, but now I can change calibers and barrel lengths without said nervousness. this can't be stressed enough |
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Per my dealers suggestion, I listed multiple calibers and multiple barrel lengths. Got mine back approved and stamped Monday. Maybe it depends on who does the review of the forms? It does depend on who the examiner is, but as a whole, the NFA branch has stated that they are only approving forms with a single caliber and barrel length from now on. Some examiners have not begun following this guideline, but I wouldn't reccomend listing multiple configurations as you are really gambling on whether or not it will be approved. It also defies common sense to do so. Since the initial making of any firearm cannot encompass more than one caliber or barrel length, additional barrel lengths and calibers are completely out of context. Just list the initial barrel length and caliber and shed the nervousness.... Defies common sense? Maybe so, but now I can change calibers and barrel lengths without said nervousness. Your nervousness is self-inflicted. |
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