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| I am in the process of setting up my gun room to do minor gun smithing, refinish jobs, etc. and would like to get a mill and a lathe. Right now I just want a mill at first and then I'll get a lathe. What would be a good lathe for basic gun smithing work without spending a fortune? |
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Quoted: I am in the process of setting up my gun room to do minor gun smithing, refinish jobs, etc. and would like to get a mill and a lathe. Right now I just want a mill at first and then I'll get a lathe. What would be a good lathe for basic gun smithing work without spending a fortune? check this out http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/14806/nm/Mini_Machine_Combo_Packages_WT_Import_ also see: google X2 and SX2. micromark, grizzly, hf, and a jet of the same size are the same mill wth subtle differences |
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http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463 worth the extra $600 compared to this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mini-Milling-Machine/G8689 ? Thanks. |
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Is this mill http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463 worth the extra $600 compared to this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463 ? Thanks. Your two links go to the same item. |
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Is this mill http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463 worth the extra $600 compared to this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463 ? Thanks. Your two links go to the same item. I fixed it, thanks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is this mill http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463 worth the extra $600 compared to this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463 ? Thanks. Your two links go to the same item. I fixed it, thanks. the 0463 is technically the better one, bigger table, beefier neck (the thing the head rides on, neck isnt the techncal term), more travel, heavier (helps dampen vibrations and such), though, it uses a motor with teh same power as the 8689. shop around and read reviews. fignoggle has some great reviews as does mini-lathe.com |
| The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. |
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Quoted: The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. you sure its the x3? someone posted up a pic of a new grizzly and said that was their x3, though it could be their "sx2". my HF x2 has the R8 setup this guy:  G0704 ETA: its a Lathemaster  http://lathemaster.com/MILLINGPRODUCTS.htm |
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Quoted: Quoted: The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. So the cheaper one is the better unit? If so, why is the other unit so much more money? the X3 is substantially bigger (double the weight of the X2). |
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The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. So the cheaper one is the better unit? If so, why is the other unit so much more money? the X3 is substantially bigger (double the weight of the X2). I was thinking the x3 was the cheaper one, it's been a long day. |
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The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. you sure its the x3? someone posted up a pic of a new grizzly and said that was their x3, though it could be their "sx2". my HF x2 has the R8 setup this guy: http://cdn2.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg500/g/g0704_det3.jpg G0704 ETA: its a Lathemaster
http://lathemaster.com/MILLINGPRODUCTS.htm I like that this had a digital read out. Would this be a decent starter machine if I've never owned/used a mill before? |
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Quoted: i would assume so. it looks like it can handle somewht moderate projects. its a brand new model. it almost looks like what an x2.5 would be. the base could be a little bigger tho. other than that, it looks good.Quoted: Quoted: The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. you sure its the x3? someone posted up a pic of a new grizzly and said that was their x3, though it could be their "sx2". my HF x2 has the R8 setup this guy: http://cdn2.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg500/g/g0704_det3.jpg G0704 ETA: its a Lathemaster http://lathemaster.com/MILLINGPRODUCTS.htm I like that this had a digital read out. Would this be a decent starter machine if I've never owned/used a mill before? |
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The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. you sure its the x3? someone posted up a pic of a new grizzly and said that was their x3, though it could be their "sx2". my HF x2 has the R8 setup this guy: http://cdn2.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg500/g/g0704_det3.jpg G0704 ETA: its a Lathemaster
http://lathemaster.com/MILLINGPRODUCTS.htm I like that this had a digital read out. Would this be a decent starter machine if I've never owned/used a mill before? Lots of parts have been made on step pulley bridgeports and similar machines. If you're worried about having digital on something, spend the money on a digital readout for the X and Y axes and forget the speed readout. |
| The Seig X3 has gotten some really good reviews on some of the machining forums I frequent. I think there is also a upgrade to a larger table somewhere on the net. I think it would be a good start for someone. When some first start out they find the size of a Bridgeport a little intimidating. This litttle mill should serve you well and can easily be converted to CNC at a later date if you so wish. |
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Quoted: i think the table of which u speak is 260-300 dollarsThe Seig X3 has gotten some really good reviews on some of the machining forums I frequent. I think there is also a upgrade to a larger table somewhere on the net. I think it would be a good start for someone. When some first start out they find the size of a Bridgeport a little intimidating. This litttle mill should serve you well and can easily be converted to CNC at a later date if you so wish. |
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The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. you sure its the x3? someone posted up a pic of a new grizzly and said that was their x3, though it could be their "sx2". my HF x2 has the R8 setup this guy: http://cdn2.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg500/g/g0704_det3.jpg G0704 ETA: its a Lathemaster
http://lathemaster.com/MILLINGPRODUCTS.htm I like that this had a digital read out. Would this be a decent starter machine if I've never owned/used a mill before? Lots of parts have been made on step pulley bridgeports and similar machines. If you're worried about having digital on something, spend the money on a digital readout for the X and Y axes and forget the speed readout. So I could get a digital readout for this machinehttp://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463? |
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Whatever you get , I'd make sure it had a spindle to take the R8 collets and tooling. The G0463 has this correct? Yes. Look at Spindle Taper in the specs. Thanks, I think this is the machine I will go with. I'm in the process of buying a new house right now and the house I think I'm buying has a 24x32' out building. I think I'm going to set up 12x32' of that as a reloading/gunsmithing type room. |
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Thanks, I think this is the machine I will go with. I'm in the process of buying a new house right now and the house I think I'm buying has a 24x32' out building. I think I'm going to set up 12x32' of that as a reloading/gunsmithing type room. Nice............Im jealous 
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I have an 0463, It is decent for the majority of the stuff I do on it.
In lieu of a DRO I use one or two dial indicators, but most of the stuff I make on it is small parts, machining dovetails in a BP barrel, the rest is drilling and a decent bit of taping on it as well (the variable speed is great for taping especially for hobbiest like myself )
Don't plan on hogging out a bunch of material at once with it, but you can do some nice work on it. |
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I have an 0463, It is decent for the majority of the stuff I do on it. In lieu of a DRO I use one or two dial indicators, but most of the stuff I make on it is small parts, machining dovetails in a BP barrel, the rest is drilling and a decent bit of taping on it as well (the variable speed is great for taping especially for hobbiest like myself )
Don't plan on hogging out a bunch of material at once with it, but you can do some nice work on it. Thanks for the input, I only plan on doing minor gunsmithing work. I.e. Pinning barrels, machining off bayo lugs, etc. |
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The G0463 is a Seig X3 and the G8689 is a Seig X2. The X3 has a larger table, beefier column and its heavier. More weight is a good thing. But the biggest difference is the spindles. The X3 uses R8 tooling and the X2 uses MT3 tooling. There is more tooling available for the R8 than the MT3. you sure its the x3? someone posted up a pic of a new grizzly and said that was their x3, though it could be their "sx2". my HF x2 has the R8 setup this guy: http://cdn2.grizzly.com/pics/jpeg500/g/g0704_det3.jpg G0704 ETA: its a Lathemaster
http://lathemaster.com/MILLINGPRODUCTS.htm I like that this had a digital read out. Would this be a decent starter machine if I've never owned/used a mill before? Lots of parts have been made on step pulley bridgeports and similar machines. If you're worried about having digital on something, spend the money on a digital readout for the X and Y axes and forget the speed readout. So I could get a digital readout for this machinehttp://www.grizzly.com/products/Mill-Drill/G0463? Someone probably makes one, just look around a bit at some place like littlemachineshop.com. |
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man dont even bother with the puny grizzly stuff like that
for the same amount of money (and some time on ebay and craigslist) you can find sweet deals on serious machines close to you there are a ton of dealers around the city and in connecticut and those areas wish i lived closer as ive seen some killer deals that made me want to drive 9 hrs one way lol |
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Quoted: not all of us have the scratch or the ability to buy and move those things.man dont even bother with the puny grizzly stuff like that for the same amount of money (and some time on ebay and craigslist) you can find sweet deals on serious machines close to you there are a ton of dealers around the city and in connecticut and those areas wish i lived closer as ive seen some killer deals that made me want to drive 9 hrs one way lol |
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not all of us have the scratch or the ability to buy and move those things.
man dont even bother with the puny grizzly stuff like that for the same amount of money (and some time on ebay and craigslist) you can find sweet deals on serious machines close to you there are a ton of dealers around the city and in connecticut and those areas wish i lived closer as ive seen some killer deals that made me want to drive 9 hrs one way lol a used cherry picker some straps and a steel cart maybe you can completely disassemble and move a series 1 bridgeport basically anywhere as an example of a craigslist find although closer to me lol: http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/1520629888.html bridgeport j head for 600 bucks monster turret lathe for 300 bucks |
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not all of us have the scratch or the ability to buy and move those things.
man dont even bother with the puny grizzly stuff like that for the same amount of money (and some time on ebay and craigslist) you can find sweet deals on serious machines close to you there are a ton of dealers around the city and in connecticut and those areas wish i lived closer as ive seen some killer deals that made me want to drive 9 hrs one way lol a used cherry picker some straps and a steel cart maybe you can completely disassemble and move a series 1 bridgeport basically anywhere as an example of a craigslist find although closer to me lol: http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/1520629888.html bridgeport j head for 600 bucks monster turret lathe for 300 bucks Wouldn't mind having that lodge and shipley if it's in decent shape. might be stout enough I couldn't bog it down. 
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not all of us have the scratch or the ability to buy and move those things.
man dont even bother with the puny grizzly stuff like that for the same amount of money (and some time on ebay and craigslist) you can find sweet deals on serious machines close to you there are a ton of dealers around the city and in connecticut and those areas wish i lived closer as ive seen some killer deals that made me want to drive 9 hrs one way lol a used cherry picker some straps and a steel cart maybe you can completely disassemble and move a series 1 bridgeport basically anywhere as an example of a craigslist find although closer to me lol: http://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/1520629888.html bridgeport j head for 600 bucks monster turret lathe for 300 bucks Wouldn't mind having that lodge and shipley if it's in decent shape. might be stout enough I couldn't bog it down. I actually sent the guy an email about that lathe. I'm waiting on some pics. He's actually pretty close to me, and I wouldn't mind having that lathe if it's in good shape. I'm not expecting it to be too nice though. |
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i mean like post a pic of it on the trailer or something
just want to see what kind of a monstrosity it is ive spent a good number of hours scouring the internet and wandering around in HGR lol i find the machinery itself fascinating eta: if you post pics ill post one of the ridiculous hunk of crap i have in my garage lol
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i mean like post a pic of it on the trailer or something just want to see what kind of a monstrosity it is ive spent a good number of hours scouring the internet and wandering around in HGR lol i find the machinery itself fascinating eta: if you post pics ill post one of the ridiculous hunk of crap i have in my garage lol I just got an email from the guy a little bit ago. He can't/won't send pics, but he wants me to call him tomorrow. If it sounds decent, I'll go out and look at it. I can take a pic of it there.
Are you looking for anything in partiucular? It sounds like we're pretty close to each other, so I'll keep an eye out for you if you have anything in mind that you want. |
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not all of us have the scratch or the ability to buy and move those things.
man dont even bother with the puny grizzly stuff like that for the same amount of money (and some time on ebay and craigslist) you can find sweet deals on serious machines close to you there are a ton of dealers around the city and in connecticut and those areas wish i lived closer as ive seen some killer deals that made me want to drive 9 hrs one way lol Any decent machinery dealer has the ability to rig and move the equipment . Sometimes it's in house , sometimes its friends and business acquaintances. Regardless , they will know who to call with the right experience.(even if you aren't buying from them) Some folks just rent a forklift for the day and do it themselves . |
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