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Posted: 12/24/2016 6:49:27 PM EDT
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What caliber do I want?
Is 380 significantly cheaper than .32? Also, do these semi autos have different factory model numbers than the actual F/A originals? |
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I've owned both the .32 and .380 versions.
Had the .32, then bought a .380 and sold the .32. .32 issues: the manual that comes with it says it's built to only use Euro style .32 ammo, instead of USA style (SAMMI?) ammo lengths. Mine ran great wtih Fiochhi ammo, but would not feed at all with PPU hollow points. .32 ACP isn't much of a round. The .32 ACP barrel is too small OD (.46" or some such) to thread to 1/2" x 28 TPI to put a supressor on it. So, I bought a .380 version, and really like it. It's set up to run USA spec ammo, and I've fired both Euro cheap rounds out of it, amd USA ammo, including hollow points like the Rem Golden Saber, without any issues. The barrel has a diameter to allow for threading (though without a real big shoulder, so I'm careful I don't torque my can too tight), and it's a nice package with a can on it. Since .380 has a low amount of gunpowder compared to a 9mm, it's a quiet set up. With a full size AAC TR can on it, it's silly quiet, and plenty quiet even with my 9s on it. The .380 round is a decent round anymore with good ammo, while the .32 is both underpowered, and doesn't have good hollow point rounds (no Fed HST, Rem GS, etc). The only downside is the black steel mag on the .32 looks far better than the clear, straight mags on the .380. Ability over looks for me on this set up. |
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I didn't know they had them in 380. Are you going to build one from parts or buy a new one? Quoted:
I didn't know they had them in 380. Are you going to build one from parts or buy a new one? Czechpoint USA offers them in .32, .380, and 9mm Mak Quoted:
.32 ACP isn't much of a round. True, but in any caliber of Vz.61 I have a long list of guns I'd be grabbing in a fight and it would be a long before the Vz showed up. Purely as a range toy the .32 is hella fun Quoted:
The .32 ACP barrel is too small OD (.46" or some such) to thread to 1/2" x 28 TPI to put a supressor on it. TROS and someone else makes special sleeves to do this. There is also a company making the correct QD .32 cans that use the proper collet to attach to the factory barrels. That's why the barrel has that little ring on it. It's a QD point. |
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I went with 32 acp because it just looks right with those curved steel mags. True, you do need to shoot Euro spec ammo or it jams. Ammo is on the pricey side, around $20 a box of 50.
I SBRd mine and it is fun to shoot. Very little recoil and very good accuracy. I get off 3 rounds before the first casing hits the ground. Yes, the round lacks knock down power. Yet, I can have rifle accuracy and 20 rounds at the ready in a weapon that can fit in glove box. |
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I've never tried to feed either of mine (both .32) hollow-points, but frankly...why would you? They happily consume all manner of foreign and domestic .32 Auto/7.65 Br. I notice the domestic stuff (UMC in particular) has a larger fireball from the ejection port, so maybe it's a slower powder or something?
As for ammo price, just be sure to use Ammoseek.com any buy in bulk online. Local shops will rob you on the stuff. You can buy the guns new from Czechpoint, or they are regularly on gunbroker from a place called Recon Ordnance in Wisconsin. I think he charges $675, but they include both grip types, and the stock (no adapter to mount it). He's got .32, 380 and mak. He also sells parts kits and receivers, $295 each, so you can come in a hair cheaper building it yourself, if that suits you. The suppressor mentioned earlier is from Schreyer Weapon Systems, and it's awesome. Likely my first purchase of 2017. http://www.schreyerweaponsystems.com/AculeusVZ61Suppressor.php |
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Quoted: I've never tried to feed either of mine (both .32) hollow-points, but frankly...why would you? They happily consume all manner of foreign and domestic .32 Auto/7.65 Br. I notice the domestic stuff (UMC in particular) has a larger fireball from the ejection port, so maybe it's a slower powder or something?
As for ammo price, just be sure to use Ammoseek.com any buy in bulk online. Local shops will rob you on the stuff. You can buy the guns new from Czechpoint, or they are regularly on gunbroker from a place called Recon Ordnance in Wisconsin. I think he charges $675, but they include both grip types, and the stock (no adapter to mount it). He's got .32, 380 and mak. He also sells parts kits and receivers, $295 each, so you can come in a hair cheaper building it yourself, if that suits you. The suppressor mentioned earlier is from Schreyer Weapon Systems, and it's awesome. Likely my first purchase of 2017. http://www.schreyerweaponsystems.com/AculeusVZ61Suppressor.php http://www.schreyerweaponsystems.com/AculeusVZ61Suppressor.php |
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Damn 1" diameter, 12.5" sounds crazy |
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Damn 1" diameter, 12.5" sounds crazy Quoted:
Damn 1" diameter, 12.5" sounds crazy 9". 12.5 oz. |
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Quoted: I don't have the slightest idea. Somewhere between .22lr and 9mm I'd presume
So Surefire and Gemtech both make 1.25" diameter 9mm cans so maybe 1" is plenty for .32...? The original .223" can on the AR was what, less than 1" in diameter? 
Seriously, far less gas and pressure than 9x19mm. .32" ACP is just over .22" LR in power. ETA: Are you going to be able to find 15 round mags for it? Think most of the mags running around are 20s, no one will ship them to you. |
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The original .223" can on the AR was what, less than 1" in diameter?
Seriously, far less gas and pressure than 9x19mm. .32" ACP is just over .22" LR in power. ETA: Are you going to be able to find 15 round mags for it? Think most of the mags running around are 20s, no one will ship them to you. No 15 round mags but they do make 10 rounders. Only 10 & 20 rounders were made as far as I know. So yes, CO residents can use the 10 rounders. |
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I have Vz61 pistol and its great. Been pondering that someone could easily make a viable folding pistol brace for these that would resemble the original stock. The brace could fold over the receiver like the original and instead of the wire loop butt, a wider rounded wire loop that would go around your forearm - The original stock appears too short to actually shoulder and seems about the right length for a forearm brace. |
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Does the stock impact the 3 lug at all when folded? Thread pitch? Stock closes fine with out a suppressor on the gun. Won't close with it on there. Not sure about the thread pitch, this was a factory sbr with the 3 lug from czechpoint usa a few years ago. They did offer one with a 1/2x28 also. |
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How is the stock position on those Czechpoint SBRs with the screw on mount? It looks like the mount sticks out a little further than the factory milled slot... does it mess with the stock in any noticeable way? If I remember right, I think the threaded versions would allow you to close the stock with the suppressor on the gun |
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If I remember right, I think the threaded versions would allow you to close the stock with the suppressor on the gun I wasn't clear enough in my post, my bad. I meant the slotted stock adapter that screws into the back of the receiver and allows you to mount the original factory stock. On the SMGs the slot is milled directly into the receiver, on the semi auto Czechmark clones they use a little slotted block that screws onto the receiver. This adapter pushes the stock mounting point rearward a smidge, and I was wondering if that messed with the stock's function in any way (as it seems like the contour of the receiver is made to match the contour of the stock)? I know the stock has a locking mechanism, I'm just wondering about the "fit" of the stock when open and closed. |
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I wasn't clear enough in my post, my bad. I meant the slotted stock adapter that screws into the back of the receiver and allows you to mount the original factory stock. On the SMGs the slot is milled directly into the receiver, on the semi auto Czechmark clones they use a little slotted block that screws onto the receiver. This adapter pushes the stock mounting point rearward a smidge, and I was wondering if that messed with the stock's function in any way (as it seems like the contour of the receiver is made to match the contour of the stock)? I know the stock has a locking mechanism, I'm just wondering about the "fit" of the stock when open and closed. It still works fine. Might be a 1/4" forward when closed compared to the original but still locks up on the tabs on the front sight perfectly. |
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The original stock appears too short to actually shoulder and seems about the right length for a forearm brace. And they've got a little play to them, too. I actually rest mine just above my collar bone and give it a little downward pressure. Seems, to me, to be the best place to shoulder it. To me SBRing the VZ61 is more about aesthetics than function. In the realm of function I made a custom mount for mine, basically using nothing but a hacksaw and files. 
We might be seeing some more accessories coming soon. I contacted Czechpoint to see if they could offer anything like my mount. There's been discussions about it with CSA but sounds to me like anything VZ.61 is not a priority. We will be getting some with integrated lower rails like the SA 361 in the future, though 
Dan is right about my design, though. The shortfall is that you can't fold the stock, length aside. The picattinny rail is wider than the stock. Non-SBRs this isn't an issue, though. |
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Fingers going faster than my mind. So it's not lightweight and 1" makes me skeptical on sound. I'm sure they know what they're doing but that flies in the face of conventional subgun can wisdom Quoted:
Fingers going faster than my mind. So it's not lightweight and 1" makes me skeptical on sound. I'm sure they know what they're doing but that flies in the face of conventional subgun can wisdom It's a reproduction of the original can that went with the gun, so the shape/aesthetics were for that purpose. I'm sure it's more than enough volume to shut up a .32 auto. BTW, R3, that gun looks great in all black. I need one of those grips... 
Is this your pistol, or a pic over from the CZ forums? If that's yours, and you are interested in selling it, PM me. |
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