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michealj Joined Apr 2005 Posts 1297 EE 100% (4) UT, USA	Posted: 6/4/2018 9:53:58 AM EDT [#1] I have had zero issues with the flat nose bullets. I mostly shoot Speer 147gr. FN through mine, but the AE stuff I’ve shot has ran flawlessly as well.

DCV_117 ARF call sign: Chicane Joined Jan 2013 Posts 7127 EE 100% (5) FL, USA	Posted: 6/4/2018 10:17:53 AM EDT [#2] Quote History Originally Posted By michealj: I have had zero issues with the flat nose bullets. I mostly shoot Speer 147gr. FN through mine, but the AE stuff I’ve shot has ran flawlessly as well. View Quote Thanks, do you know if it stays subsonic?
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new21022 Joined Aug 2008 Posts 1199 EE 100% (29) USA	Posted: 6/4/2018 12:02:25 PM EDT [#3] Quote History Originally Posted By goloud: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/55CBBFCD-6F5C-47E9-A1DB-F1BF6B85098D-562682.jpg View Quote Why is your strong side bolt release missing?

branflake12 Member Joined Aug 2010 Posts 1456 EE 100% (71) IN, USA	Posted: 6/4/2018 1:44:49 PM EDT [#4] Quote History Originally Posted By new21022: Why is your strong side bolt release missing? View Quote Wondered that too, hoped it was intentional.
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Wondered that too, hoped it was intentional.

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Originally Posted By new21022:

Why is your strong side bolt release missing?

Wondered that too, hoped it was intentional.

Judging how you can see through the hole to the other side I would say that both are missing. That drum mag doesn't have a last round bolt hold open so technically you wouldn't need it but I don't understand why someone would take it off.

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michealj Joined Apr 2005 Posts 1298 EE 100% (4) UT, USA	Posted: 6/5/2018 8:20:02 AM EDT [#6] Quote History Originally Posted By DCV_117: Thanks, do you know if it stays subsonic? View Quote I had a couple AE rounds go supersonic. I do not know which lot # that ammo was from, but I do know it was ammo I bought a couple years ago. I have shot a couple hundred rounds from more recent production that have all stayed subsonic.

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Judging how you can see through the hole to the other side I would say that both are missing. That drum mag doesn't have a last round bolt hold open so technically you wouldn't need it but I don't understand why someone would take it off.

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I was lucky enough to be able to buy an APC lower for the review, but I still need to sourcea few parts.

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I was lucky enough to be able to buy an APC lower for the review, but I still need to sourcea few parts.

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Originally Posted By DCV_117:

Judging how you can see through the hole to the other side I would say that both are missing. That drum mag doesn't have a last round bolt hold open so technically you wouldn't need it but I don't understand why someone would take it off.

I was lucky enough to be able to buy an APC lower for the review, but I still need to sourcea few parts.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/DF0082D1-603F-450C-B838-2E8F094D72F5-566823.jpg

Gotcha, how did you like the trigger?

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goloud The Voice of Reason Joined Oct 2005 Posts 6107 EE 100% (71) NH, USA	Posted: 6/5/2018 7:18:02 PM EDT [#9] Quote History Originally Posted By DCV_117: Gotcha, how did you like the trigger? View Quote Love it. Only have 100 rounds through it though.
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roughrider94 Joined Sep 2016 Posts 130 EE 100% (22) USA	Posted: 6/7/2018 7:28:35 AM EDT [Last Edit: roughrider94] [#10] Still pretty pricey mags, but you can get two APC45 25 rounders for $176.18 ($88.09 each) at Brownells using coupon code M2T. Originally Posted By goloud: I was lucky enough to be able to buy an APC lower for the review, but I still need to sourcea few parts. View Quote How did you buy the lower and for how much?

goloud The Voice of Reason Joined Oct 2005 Posts 6109 EE 100% (71) NH, USA	Posted: 6/8/2018 3:47:02 PM EDT [Last Edit: goloud] [#11] I overfilled with suppressor foam. Posting the vid here first before it goes live. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntqjDiST_H4[/youtube]
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humahuma Joined Sep 2017 Posts 46 EE 0% (0) VA, USA	Posted: 6/8/2018 6:30:57 PM EDT [#12] thanks! that thing looks so fun. i know its in the cards for me if reviews are positive. how does the trigger feel in semi? better or on par with stock?

DCV_117 ARF call sign: Chicane Joined Jan 2013 Posts 7159 EE 100% (5) FL, USA	Posted: 6/8/2018 6:42:13 PM EDT [#13] Quote History Originally Posted By goloud: I overfilled with suppressor foam. Posting the vid here first before it goes live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntqjDiST_H4 View Quote Have you had any issues with you F5 drum? My APC9 has broken 2 of them
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Plumber576 Member Joined Apr 2005 Posts 9130 EE 100% (8) OH, USA	Posted: 6/10/2018 8:05:26 PM EDT [#14] Quote History Originally Posted By goloud: I overfilled with suppressor foam. View Quote I thought you were laying down smoke to disappear like a magician!

goloud The Voice of Reason Joined Oct 2005 Posts 6110 EE 100% (71) NH, USA	Posted: 6/10/2018 11:12:31 PM EDT [#15] Quote History Originally Posted By Plumber576: I thought you were laying down smoke to disappear like a magician! View Quote Lol. Dual use.
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goloud The Voice of Reason Joined Oct 2005 Posts 6111 EE 100% (71) NH, USA	Posted: 6/10/2018 11:14:36 PM EDT [#16] Quote History Originally Posted By DCV_117: Have you had any issues with you F5 drum? My APC9 has broken 2 of them View Quote I’ve been following your troubles. That, along with the fact that I don’t have many rounds through mine is why I haven’t posted a review yet. You got a refund, right?
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goloud The Voice of Reason Joined Oct 2005 Posts 6112 EE 100% (71) NH, USA	Posted: 6/10/2018 11:16:22 PM EDT [#17] Quote History Originally Posted By humahuma: thanks! that thing looks so fun. i know its in the cards for me if reviews are positive. how does the trigger feel in semi? better or on par with stock? View Quote I actually really like the stock trigger. But I can’t tell much difference in the Franklin Armory and the B&T in semi.
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M0244 Member Joined Aug 2006 Posts 6562 EE 100% (410) USA	Posted: 6/11/2018 5:14:29 AM EDT [#18] Quote History Originally Posted By goloud: I actually really like the stock trigger. But I can’t tell much difference in the Franklin Armory and the B&T in semi. View Quote How much if any modiciation to the lower to fit the the BFS?

goloud The Voice of Reason Joined Oct 2005 Posts 6113 EE 100% (71) NH, USA	Posted: 6/11/2018 5:21:47 AM EDT [#19] Zero. It was a ‘drop in and go’ type of situation.
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Posted: 6/11/2018 7:27:11 PM EDT

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I’ve been following your troubles. That, along with the fact that I don’t have many rounds through mine is why I haven’t posted a review yet. You got a refund, right?

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Originally Posted By DCV_117:

Have you had any issues with you F5 drum? My APC9 has broken 2 of them

I’ve been following your troubles. That, along with the fact that I don’t have many rounds through mine is why I haven’t posted a review yet. You got a refund, right?

The guy at F5 told me that, I emailed him back requesting info for sending it back and never heard anything back

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DCV_117 ARF call sign: Chicane Joined Jan 2013 Posts 7212 EE 100% (5) FL, USA	Posted: 6/11/2018 10:00:02 PM EDT [#21] Video of my Obsidian 45 on my APC9. B&T APC9 with Rugged Obsidian 45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SwJTUd8LAM
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humahuma Joined Sep 2017 Posts 47 EE 0% (0) VA, USA	Posted: 6/11/2018 10:05:09 PM EDT [#22] Quote History Originally Posted By goloud: I actually really like the stock trigger. But I can’t tell much difference in the Franklin Armory and the B&T in semi. View Quote good to hear, i like it too. the option for single fire is a must for me and would rather just use the one lower without any compromise.

O3scgt nnoooooooo Joined Feb 2014 Posts 916 EE 100% (114) FL, USA	Posted: 6/14/2018 7:00:18 PM EDT [#23] pretty fun little backpack guns.I just needs to get a 3lug for my can and decide if I want to roll with it as a pistol or submit a form 1

new21022 Joined Aug 2008 Posts 1211 EE 100% (29) USA	Posted: 6/14/2018 7:17:11 PM EDT [#24] How long is your neck?

O3scgt nnoooooooo Joined Feb 2014 Posts 917 EE 100% (114) FL, USA	Posted: 6/15/2018 7:07:16 AM EDT [#25] Quote History Originally Posted By new21022: How long is your neck? View Quote Proportional to the rest of my body lol.With a low mount that you typically use on these this setup provides a perfect heads up shooting position.When I get home I'll throw an SB brace on top to compare them. Its really not a drastic height difference.

CWied Member Joined Dec 2014 Posts 107 EE 100% (18) TN, USA	Posted: 6/15/2018 8:52:28 AM EDT [#26] Anyone seen or ordered one yet? Midway and Palmetto both show them in stock but I cannot find anything on Geissele's website. Really wanting to order one, but with no info from Geissele, I'd hate for the "in stock" to be a mixup and wait for months for it to arrive. http://palmettostatearmory.com/geissele-super-apc9-45-trigger-05-685.html

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I have to say that I'm a little sad the apc9 wasn't included in the latest military trial, while the Beretta was. The Beretta seems like a knock off.

Fingers crossed the MP9 does well!! The aftermarket support will definitely grow if they get an army contract.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/06/11/breaking-us-army-to-evaluate-10-subguns-for-sub-compact-weapon-program/amp/

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Originally Posted By O3scgt:
Proportional to the rest of my body lol.With a low mount that you typically use on these this setup provides a perfect heads up shooting position.When I get home I'll throw an SB brace on top to compare them. Its really not a drastic height difference.

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Yea, I guessed that would be your reasoning. If I may however suggest that instead of bringing the gun up above your shoulder to get the optic inline with your face, you leave the gun inline with your shoulder for a direct recoil path (because this gun isn't exactly low recoil like an MP5) and use a higher mount to bring the optic up. A gun above your shoulder like that will arc in recoil, you should be able to see this in split times if you have a timer and some structured practice tests.

I agree, heads up shooting position is where it's at, these guys with optics mounted real low tell me a story without having to say anything. But moving the gun up out of a direct to body recoil path isn't the best way get there, it's why mounts come in heights. But what do I know (you'd be surprised)!? Maybe it works for you!

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Posted: 6/15/2018 2:54:16 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By CWied:
Anyone seen or ordered one yet? Midway and Palmetto both show them in stock but I cannot find anything on Geissele's website. Really wanting to order one, but with no info from Geissele, I'd hate for the "in stock" to be a mixup and wait for months for it to arrive.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/geissele-super-apc9-45-trigger-05-685.html

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Made your link hot, and here is the Midway link: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/885179/geissele-super-apc-trigger-b-and-t-apc9-apc45

$325 price point. The Franklin Binary Trigger is currently "on sale" for $450: https://www.franklinarmory.com/collections/binarytrigger/products/franklin-armory-bfsiii-b-t-c1

Decisions, decisions...

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Originally Posted By JohnLWare:

Made your link hot, and here is the Midway link: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/885179/geissele-super-apc-trigger-b-and-t-apc9-apc45

$325 price point. The Franklin Binary Trigger is currently "on sale" for $450: https://www.franklinarmory.com/collections/binarytrigger/products/franklin-armory-bfsiii-b-t-c1

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Doh, I forgot. Thanks for the hotlink. I'm not much on binary triggers, though they are pretty neat.

I think I'm gonna snag the Geissele... I swear I've got more money in my APC than any other gun I own lol. I wonder though. Why are AR triggers much less expensive than the Scar, APC, MCX, etc? Specialty triggers? Smaller customer base?

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Originally Posted By CWied:

Doh, I forgot. Thanks for the hotlink. I'm not much on binary triggers, though they are pretty neat.

I think I'm gonna snag the Geissele... I swear I've got more money in my APC than any other gun I own lol. I wonder though. Why are AR triggers much less expensive than the Scar, APC, MCX, etc? Specialty triggers? Smaller customer base?

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Yeah I would say order volume - amortizing the design cost over a much smaller sales forecast.

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Originally Posted By JohnLWare:

Yeah I would say order volume - amortizing the design cost over a much smaller sales forecast.

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Hey, I'm just glad they did it. My SSA has been working just fine, but the hammer hits the receiver before it's perfectly vertical, so it has a slight cant to it. No light primer strike issues, though.

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I also remember there being some gaps between the trigger body and receiver as well. Still, no issues.

Also, order placed from Midway!

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It does seem strange that Geissele doesn't have anything up on their site about the APC triggers being released but I ordered one the other day and it's en route and expected delivery day is tomorrow. I love my other Geissele triggers so i'm excited for it. I don't see any adjustment screws in the pictures i've seen so i'm guessing the pull weight adjustments are done by changing springs. Does anyone know otherwise?

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Originally Posted By Cornelius_:
It does seem strange that Geissele doesn't have anything up on their site about the APC triggers being released but I ordered one the other day and it's en route and expected delivery day is tomorrow. I love my other Geissele triggers so i'm excited for it. I don't see any adjustment screws in the pictures i've seen so i'm guessing the pull weight adjustments are done by changing springs. Does anyone know otherwise?

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I thought the same as well, though I'm sure you swap the spring. Glad to see they're shipping.

Cornelius_ Joined Oct 2016 Posts 22 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 6/16/2018 2:43:52 PM EDT [#35] I just got mine. It comes with the ~4 lb trigger spring installed and separate ~2.75 lb spring you can swap in. The curve is the same as Geissele's standard M4 curved triggers but the face is flat instead of having the slight curve of my SSA/SSA-E's.

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I just got mine. It comes with the ~4 lb trigger spring installed and separate ~2.75 lb spring you can swap in. The curve is the same as Geissele's standard M4 curved triggers but the face is flat instead of having the slight curve of my SSA/SSA-E's.

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Good to know, thanks. Have you shot with it yet?

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Good to know, thanks. Have you shot with it yet?

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I actually haven't shot my APC9 at all yet, I just got it recently and got a new mount so I could put my T-1 on it. I was hoping to get a TL with the B&T mount but everyone is sold out and only want to sell it to buyers that bought their gun from them. My plan is to take it out in the next couple of days and shoot it and then swap in the 2.75 lb spring and take it out again to see which one I like more. I really like my SD-E and SSA-E and seem to prefer a 3-3.5 lb trigger pull weight. With the 4 lb spring it feels good but just a little heavier than I prefer. Mine is just a range gun so it'll probably end up with the lighter spring. From only having dry fired both the stock and the Geissele trigger the Geissele is a definite improvement. My stock trigger had some initial take up before the break but the Geissele has almost none There's still a touch of movement before a very crisp break but it's really only noticeable when carefully squeezing the trigger and watching from the side. When holding it up in a firing position I can't feel it. Even with the 4 lb spring it's definitely lighter than the stock trigger. I measured the weight of my stock trigger a bit ago and I think it was around 5 lbs but I can't remember exactly.

AKSU Joined Apr 2008 Posts 7739 EE 100% (266) SC, USA	Posted: 6/18/2018 1:36:40 PM EDT [#38] I like Geissele products but I’m going to wait for a sale. $325 is ridiculous IMO.

bestiller Member Joined Oct 2004 Posts 2551 EE 100% (85) LA, USA	Posted: 6/18/2018 1:45:33 PM EDT [#39] Same here, Geisselle triggers are great but I don't have a $325 problem with the stock trigger. Though, if the Franklin Binary trigger ever hits the $300 range I'm a definite player.
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razARback Member Joined Nov 2011 Posts 1824 EE 100% (84) AR, USA	Posted: 6/19/2018 1:07:47 PM EDT [#40] Agree, I just can't make myself pull the trigger at that price point. I may eventually, but I'm not there yet.

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Originally Posted By fourxfour:
I have to say that I'm a little sad the apc9 wasn't included in the latest military trial, while the Beretta was. The Beretta seems like a knock off.

Fingers crossed the MP9 does well!! The aftermarket support will definitely grow if they get an army contract.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/06/11/breaking-us-army-to-evaluate-10-subguns-for-sub-compact-weapon-program/amp/

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That's TWO chances of cheaper magazines in my eyes.
But, an off the rack mk18 isn't too terribly larger than some of the contestants.

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branflake12 Member Joined Aug 2010 Posts 1464 EE 100% (71) IN, USA	Posted: 6/28/2018 9:58:25 AM EDT [#44] Brownells has 30 and 20 rounders. 30's are cheaper. $44 regular, $41 dealer. Check the industry page for coupon codes for free shipping and a % off of that. https://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/b-t-magazine-for-mp9-30-rd-9mm-sku100023975-104817-199193.aspx
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AKSU Joined Apr 2008 Posts 7798 EE 100% (266) SC, USA	Posted: 7/3/2018 8:31:40 PM EDT [Last Edit: AKSU] [#45] Super APC triggers on sale @Geissele for $260

goloud The Voice of Reason Joined Oct 2005 Posts 6131 EE 100% (71) NH, USA	Posted: 7/4/2018 11:14:51 PM EDT [#46] I metered the APC9 with the Omega 9K at the ear and MIL STD. Need a few days to get it written up.
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new21022 Joined Aug 2008 Posts 1216 EE 100% (29) USA	Posted: 7/5/2018 2:39:23 AM EDT [#47] Quote History Originally Posted By goloud: I metered the APC9 with the Omega 9K at the ear and MIL STD. Need a few days to get it written up. View Quote Louder or quieter than you would have thought? There is a lot of port noise on these.

branflake12 Member Joined Aug 2010 Posts 1472 EE 100% (71) IN, USA	Posted: 7/5/2018 2:40:44 PM EDT [#48] Quote History Originally Posted By AKSU: Super APC triggers on sale @Geissele for $260 View Quote Did you get one? I'd love to hear a report. I think my stock trigger is fine. its not "wow" but its far better than most milspec AR triggers ive had.
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Did you get one? I'd love to hear a report. I think my stock trigger is fine. its not "wow" but its far better than most milspec AR triggers ive had.

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Super APC triggers on sale @Geissele for $260

Did you get one? I'd love to hear a report. I think my stock trigger is fine. its not "wow" but its far better than most milspec AR triggers ive had.

Yes, I ordered one yesterday and got my shipping notice today.