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Posted: 2/18/2014 10:05:19 AM EDT
| So thinking about getting one if these. Do I go the glock 17 or 19 route? I have a 17 pistol tht I just picked up and I really like it and thinking about looking at a 19. Will the 17 mags work in the 19? I I want it for a fun gun and maybe a trunk gun. |
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So thinking about getting one if these. Do I go the glock 17 or 19 route? I have a 17 pistol tht I just picked up and I really like it and thinking about looking at a 19. Will the 17 mags work in the 19? I I want it for a fun gun and maybe a trunk gun. You obviously don't know the situation with Sub2Ks.  They're rare as hen's teeth.
I asked my LGS to order a Glock 17 or 19 model (didn't care which as I've got both handguns) for me in fall of 2011. He told me right up front there's a "backlog of backorders"... amounts to a very long "waiting list". In late August 2013, he was able to get his hands on a NIB Glock .40 model, and asked if I wanted it. Hell yes! Don't own a Glock .40 handgun... yet., but after almost a 2 yr wait for a Sub2K, I wasn't turning it down because it was a .40 and not a 9mm. 
He's an honest guy, not a neckbeard, and I'd bought firearms from him 5 or 6 times in the past few years, so as a regular customer, I got it at his "regular" mark-up... $349.95.  He asked if I knew I could put it on gunbroker.com, and make a quick few hundred $$ immediately? Yup I knew that, as I've seen USED ones on gunbroker for $500. NIB as high as $700-800.
MSRP is about $420... unless you're willing to pay quite a bit ABOVE MSRP, you're in for a long wait.
FWIW, G17 mags will fit a G19, or G26 handgun, but not the reverse. G19 mags will fit a shorter grip G26, but not the longer G17 grip. IOW, longer mags will fit all shorter guns, of same caliber. If you had your choice, the G19 Sub2K would be the best choice. |
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The 19 grip is too small. The front sight sucks. The trigger is a typical Kel-Tec trigger--atrocious. Other than that, it's a really neat carbine. Red Lion Precision makes aftermarket front sights. You should do all the Kel-Tec fans a favor and not buy one since they are clearly sub par in your book. That will leave one more for them.
I have had both a G-17 and G-19 version. Personally I liked the longer grip of the G-17 model much better as the shorter grip didn't work well in my hand. If you have a G-19 pistol and lots of G-19 mags I guess the situation would be different. |
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I had one, but sold it for an Uzi. No regrets.
The Sub-2000 design is really feeling its age. Ergos suck, no good optics mounting solutions, sights are crude, the trigger is meh, etc. Admittedly, it's cheap, light, and folds into a really small package. It's a terrific gun as kind of a light use survival weapon, but if you don't need that, the trade-offs from the rest of the gun really weren't worth it... especially since I have access to SBRs. Uzi SBR with the stock folded up is 18.5", and that's basically just as good for my purposes... maybe better, since it can actually fire from that position. |
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For $600 you can look at a JRC or a TNW and they come in 9mm, 40, and 45acp, plus they are a lot better hosts for adding your own custom parts.
I looked at the sub2k, and wish I would have got one when they were $350, but at current prices there are a lot of other options out there. |
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You should do all the Kel-Tec fans a favor and not buy one since they are clearly sub par in your book. That will leave one more for them. I have had both a G-17 and G-19 version. Personally I liked the longer grip of the G-17 model much better as the shorter grip didn't work well in my hand. If you have a G-19 pistol and lots of G-19 mags I guess the situation would be different. Quoted:
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The 19 grip is too small. The front sight sucks. The trigger is a typical Kel-Tec trigger--atrocious. Other than that, it's a really neat carbine. Red Lion Precision makes aftermarket front sights. You should do all the Kel-Tec fans a favor and not buy one since they are clearly sub par in your book. That will leave one more for them. I have had both a G-17 and G-19 version. Personally I liked the longer grip of the G-17 model much better as the shorter grip didn't work well in my hand. If you have a G-19 pistol and lots of G-19 mags I guess the situation would be different. Which one of points would you like to refute?
It's a shame really because they come up with neat designs, but execute them poorly and don't follow through. I wish Ruger would come up with something similar, but improved, like they did with the LCP. OP, to clarify, I think you would enjoy one, but be aware of the shortcomings I mentioned and prepare accordingly. |
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I have a g17 model sub2k. Mine needed a fluff and buff. Now it runs better, except it always jams on the last round of the mag. The trigger is nicer now that i cleaned it up but it is long, kinda like a double action revolver.
At this point i would not trust my life on it. Maybe after a 1000 rounds break in. |
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Which one of points would you like to refute?
It's a shame really because they come up with neat designs, but execute them poorly and don't follow through. I wish Ruger would come up with something similar, but improved, like they did with the LCP. OP, to clarify, I think you would enjoy one, but be aware of the shortcomings I mentioned and prepare accordingly. Quoted:
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The 19 grip is too small. The front sight sucks. The trigger is a typical Kel-Tec trigger--atrocious. Other than that, it's a really neat carbine. Red Lion Precision makes aftermarket front sights. You should do all the Kel-Tec fans a favor and not buy one since they are clearly sub par in your book. That will leave one more for them. I have had both a G-17 and G-19 version. Personally I liked the longer grip of the G-17 model much better as the shorter grip didn't work well in my hand. If you have a G-19 pistol and lots of G-19 mags I guess the situation would be different. Which one of points would you like to refute?
It's a shame really because they come up with neat designs, but execute them poorly and don't follow through. I wish Ruger would come up with something similar, but improved, like they did with the LCP. OP, to clarify, I think you would enjoy one, but be aware of the shortcomings I mentioned and prepare accordingly. When buying any thing I look at the cost-benefit equation. What do I get for my money. I had two 9mm AR's and sold them for around $1,000-$1,200 each last Spring. So, in other words I could buy three Sub2k Kel-Tecs for that and have money left over. (They go for around $325 here during normal times). For that $300 I get a serviceable firearm. Is the trigger the best? NO, but then just a really good high quality trigger for an AR runs a few hundred bucks, nearly the price of a Sub2k. We could make a list of the prices of AR accessories and quickly learn just how much a high quality rifle can cost. The little sub comes in for far lest money, far less. Its not fair to compare it to other firearms unless you factor in that price discrepancy. I have been shooting for a number of years and have fired my share of weapons. None were perfect, each had its highs and lows. The trigger on the Sub is not the worse out there. The ergo's on the little rifle is not the best but then its strength is that it folds up to a very light and compact firearm. That alone makes it special. I met a young man who worked up in the islands of Alaska and he carried one in his pack for work. He loved them and his life might depend on his. He was the one who sold me on them. I see it as a pistol with a longer barrel and with a short stock. I have kept one of my three Subs for sentimental reasons. Its an original Sub9, low serial number, all metal with a last round bolt hold open mechanism. Its my favorite of the bunch. Its had a long and full life but still works just fine and will be with us for a long time. I look on a Sub as a pistol with a stock. Its light as heck and shoots fine' |
| No I know the market on them. I just wanted to get one for a fun gun and to keep in the trunk. Am I the only one who thinks these gun companies are missing the boat on PCC's? Build us a light weight carbine that akes glock mags and make $600 ish and steel a ton of them. I know it's hard to swallow your pride but let's face it glock mags are cheap easy to get and work. And no I'm not a glock fan boy just got my first one last week in a trade deal. Didnt even want it but figured I could sell it. I looked at the sub2k that takes sig mags because I shoot a 226 but man the mags are so damn high. |
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It's hard to make a lightweight PCC because they're all straight blowback and require a heavy bolt; make it something other than straight blowback, and it's probably not going to be cheap. And that sir, is the problem. That and the market for a PCC has not been really big. Will that change? Well, when .223/5.56 ammo was cheap and plentiful people didn't consider a PCC. The market has changed however. Ruger and Marlin went into the PCC market in the 1980/1990's and their products didn't do well. People say they should bring them back but the market is just not there for what would be an expensive little carbine. Hi-Point comes closest to hitting the price point with a 995TS going for about $250 give or take. They were designed during the Slick Willy 10 round magazine days however and they have not redone them to anything different. Why should they? They sell every last rifle they can make as fast as they come off the line. At $250 a pop retail you have to know the companies profit margins on these are slim and the cost of re-designing them just doesn't add up. The ASR is a nice rifle that is very light and uses Glock mags. They are not produced in large numbers and are hard to find. The JRC is a superior rifle for a little more money and probably is the sweet spot for a 9mm rifle as far as cost and 100% reliable performance. Also it uses a lot of AR parts so you can customize it. The Beretta Storm is light and compact and shoots very well but again the price moves up another hundred bucks. Then there are the other, lesser known and harder to find options. There are choices out there. If you don't find what you really want you always have the option of designing your own firearm and putting it into production. (being silly...)
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No I know the market on them. I just wanted to get one for a fun gun and to keep in the trunk. Am I the only one who thinks these gun companies are missing the boat on PCC's? Build us a light weight carbine that akes glock mags and make $600 ish and steel a ton of them. I know it's hard to swallow your pride but let's face it glock mags are cheap easy to get and work. And no I'm not a glock fan boy just got my first one last week in a trade deal. Didnt even want it but figured I could sell it. I looked at the sub2k that takes sig mags because I shoot a 226 but man the mags are so damn high. Just think how many more HiPoint carbines could be sold if they used Glock mags too.
I know, cheap POS that looks like someone made it over a weekend, in their basement, from old car parts and toy guns... but they work. I've got a friend who has had one for 6-7 years, he's put 3-4K rounds through it (I've put 500 thru it, and it's not even mine) and it never fails to function, and accuracy out to 75 yds is very acceptable. |
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Ya I hear ya. I wish I would of bought a ruger back in the day. I would settle for ar lowers that take glock mags from a company that's reliable and can be trusted JRC........I love mine......totally reliable even with cheap Korean magazines, eats all ammo I put into it.....and much more accurate than any of my 9mm AR's. OH...and its about $400 to $500 cheaper than a 9mm AR. |
I nabbed a used one with Red Lion forearm for 500, pretty good deal in my area. I threw a PA micro on it and it's a fun range toy. Even if it didn't fold, it's a simple, affordable, light carbine that takes G17 mags - yes please! 
I built up an 9mm AR but sold it off and this fits that niche nicely. It's had zero issues with anything I've ran through it. 
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| I have the G-17 model and put a Red Lion railed forend on it and front sight with the break then added a TandemKross rear sight. Now it is a sweet little folder.A friend of mine bought it brand new and got it home when his wife pitched a bitch fit. I traded him a beat to hell Mossberg 500 for it because I have several. That made my initial investment very low. So I figured what the hell, after running 500 rounds through it flawlessly I decided to dump the extra money in it and man I love it now.Apparently all there triggers are not that bad. Mine is not bad at all. |
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So thinking about getting one if these. Do I go the glock 17 or 19 route? I have a 17 pistol tht I just picked up and I really like it and thinking about looking at a 19. Will the 17 mags work in the 19? I I want it for a fun gun and maybe a trunk gun. Get the 17 and some 33 round sticks I have the 40 model I got for a song and it's a lot of fun with 22 rounders Was thinking about selling it until the wife shot it and now she loves it Lots of aftermarket stuff for them too |
| One thing is clear here. The Sub2k is not a "perfect" firearm, but when you consider the small selection of PCC's that we have to chose from it does have a place in the mix. Its not for everyone for sure, but then what is? I like my Sub9 a lot as its accurate and trouble free. Its not my go-to gun for a long range session however, I have better options for that. But for a light weight, reliable carbine in a small package at a reasonable price it has its place. Guess that is why Kel-Tec sells every one of them they make as fast as they can crank them out. |
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I love my G17 version of the S2K. No one probably wants to hear that I paid $179 OTD for mine about 6 years ago. Or that I could have bought two with consecutive serial numbers for the same price but balked on the second one.
roy d...or that I sold my G22 version a week prior for $180 
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