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Posted: 4/24/2013 9:32:14 AM EDT
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I have the pistol version. It's been perfect. Everyone loves shooting it on the reactive steel range. So far it's liked everything I've fed it.
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| I got mine,SDP, a month or so ago. Haven't had time to take it out but soon will. I am thinking about doing the sbr thing, as that is the way to go,if you are allowed to do it legally. The charging/handle, I am told will get better when you shoot it. I hope so as it is a bear to charge,but make sure you charge the bolt before inserting a mag.. |
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My dealer finally got some carbines in but I am waiting for an SBR. I may end up buying a pistol and having it SBRed later. I already got mags for it. You only get a Glock 21 13rd mag with the gun. It's actually cheaper if you buy the mag and the mag-extension kit separately and putting it together than buying the hicap mag.
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I have one, I just never shoot it because it's the most unreliable gun I have http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5026/vector1.jpg http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/vector3y.jpg What kind of problems did you encounter, FTE, FTF? Please elaborate. |
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Both Kriss and Just Right (45 ACP version) had problems with Glock mags. The cycling rate is just too fast for the mags to keep up. Kriss now makes their own mags and Just Right slowed down the cycling rate by adding a rifle length buffer tube and a heavier buffer.
The Kriss just never appealed to me all that much. Other than the high capacity mags, a Hi-Point carbine does pretty much the same thing for 1/6th the price. As I near retirement, I am thinning the herd and I have to admit that my Hi-Point carbines have been about the most reliable PCC's I have owned or shot. Accuracy as good as the higher priced PCC's out there. I live in NY and I am looking into moving to the Idaho Falls area. NY is one beautiful place to live but the lack of freedoms. AC's desire to make felons out of all firearms owners and confiscatory tax rates are just too much to put up with anymore. |
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Both Kriss and Just Right (45 ACP version) had problems with Glock mags. The cycling rate is just too fast for the mags to keep up. Kriss now makes their own mags and Just Right slowed down the cycling rate by adding a rifle length buffer tube and a heavier buffer. The Kriss just never appealed to me all that much. Other than the high capacity mags, a Hi-Point carbine does pretty much the same thing for 1/6th the price. As I near retirement, I am thinning the herd and I have to admit that my Hi-Point carbines have been about the most reliable PCC's I have owned or shot. Accuracy as good as the higher priced PCC's out there. I live in NY and I am looking into moving to the Idaho Falls area. NY is one beautiful place to live but the lack of freedoms. AC's desire to make felons out of all firearms owners and confiscatory tax rates are just too much to put up with anymore. Where is it written that KRISS is now making there own mags? All they offer still is the Glock on their site. That was what mine was shipped with too. Also the SMG I fired ran fine. Have yet to run mine at all to see if any issues personally. I would love more elaboration on the reliability issues and if you have talked with Kriss regarding to see if it has an issue and if they fixed it. These have a lifetime warranty with them. |
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Both Kriss and Just Right (45 ACP version) had problems with Glock mags. The cycling rate is just too fast for the mags to keep up. Kriss now makes their own mags and Just Right slowed down the cycling rate by adding a rifle length buffer tube and a heavier buffer. I would absolutely love to hear the source for this one. Sounds like gun store talk to me. This response is going to sound choppy becauae i'm typing this on my phone between sirgeries, but here we go. My problems have been failures to feed and eject and has been sent back to the factory twice. The first was for the aforementioned problems. Most ammo would just take a nose dive into the feed ramp and it would never reliably eject a round. After returning with several updates, I was still having the same problems. I sent the rifle back a second time with some success. I have less failures to feed, but still have trouble with ejecting. The problem lies with the bolt, not the magazine. In fact, these guns can not reliably extract and eject a live round relegating it to the back of the safe. From a member named okent who had the same problems: Update on my Kriss. Had problems with extracting and unfired round and failure to feed. Sent it back to the factory and was told they fixed the feeding issue but the gun was not designed to extract an unfired round without removing the magazine. It will occasionally extract the unfired round but not reliably. I kid you not. Spoke with the chief engineer and gunsmith. When I asked why every other modern firearm does this and theirs doesn't the response was that it is a revolutionary design and then a long pause.... When pressed the gunsmith said that they have spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours trying to remedy this issue but the gun is what it is. I actually like the way the gun looks and shoots but to me this a liability if the gun was ever to be used for home defense or even for competition shooting. |
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Last year I spent some time at the Just Right factory as they worked to make my 45ACP model reliable. Up to then they had found at least 6 different springs in the factory magazines that Glock has sent them. From what I had read, both Kriss and Just Right were doing some mods to the springs to help improve feeding reliability. The problem is not with the Glock mags. They are made to work properly in Glock pistols and they do.
On my Just Right carbine the fast cycling rate did not allow the magazine the time necessary to get the next round into position before the return cycle and the bolt would ride up over the round. On mine, this always happened when feeding round 8 in a 10 round magazine. It did this on several different magazines too. Similar result to short stroking or limp wristing but due to a fast cycling rate instead. As the spring tension relaxes a bit with each round fired it slows the feeding time a bit for each succeeding round fired. It started happening only after the carbine was broken in and running smoothly. My problem was solved by using a longer rifle style buffer tube and spring and a Heavy Buffer, 11 ounce, rifle style buffer. After slowing down the cycling rate I ran over 500 rounds various brands of 45 ACP through my JRC without a hitch. JRC's are now illegal to buy now in NY, where they are made, and I was not going to engage in unconstitutional activity by registering it so it now has a new home out of state where I have unlimited visitation rights. As the cost to shoot 45ACP has skyrocketed the past few months, I can't afford to shoot it much anyway. The Kriss just never really appealed to me all that much. Nice firearm, but it did have it's teething problems too. Lets face it, as much as I like PCC's, they are essentially the toy of the firearm world. Fun to shoot but they offer no advantages over a pistol when being used in tight confines or up close and personal. And no advantages over an AR, AK or any other rifle when out in the field. |
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The Kriss SuperV/Vector was/is designed for mil/police use. It's a much more advanced design & very suited for CQB work.
Putting a Kriss in the same category as a Just Right carbine is pretty silly. But don't take it personally. If the Just Right carbine works for you that's OK. It just seems that because you appear to never have handled/shot a Kriss, & your PCC experirnce is based on a Just Right carbine you're observations/experiences really don't pertain to a Kriss. BTW- The Thompson SMG (PCC) seemed to be very effective for my dad in WW2. He didn't consider it a toy and prefered it to his 1911. BTW2 - My consolences for you being stuck in a socialist state. |
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Tayln
I have handled a Kriss. Just not my cup of tea and way too expensive for my wallet. My father in law used a Thompson in WWII in the Pacific. He like it too. The problem is that during WWII the Mauser K98 was considered a carbine when it was developed. As a collector of milsurp weapons, the M16 with a 20" barrel is a carbine to me. Today we have the M4 or the AK that not only fills the void between rifles and pistols that existed in WWII they also acts as a decent medium range weapons on the open battlefield. They are much easier to use in QCB than the Garand. Mauser, Enfield or Arisaka were. The 1911 Pistol has limited magazine capacity that the Thompson did not. Modern pistols have much greater magazine capacity are more handy in tight places and less expensive to manufacture. The Thompson is also a very heavy weapon. Something like 11 pond empty. Using the drum magazine adds another 7 pounds to the load. The 30 round stick magazine also had a critical design flaw. If you loaded all 30 rounds, then there was a pretty good chance that the magazine would fall out after the first shot. To remedy this, you loaded 28 rounds in the magazine. The 20 round magazine does not have this problem. I got the Just Right Carbine (45 ACP model) to support a local manufacturer. After initial teething problems it performed well but other than using it at the range, not much use for it anywhere else. I like it and it is fun to shoot but it now lives out of state and with current ammunition prices it is too expensive to shoot anyway. NY is a dictatorial state not just a communist or socialist state. That is why I will be looking at houses around the Idaho Falls area next month. |
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I had one and really like it, shot it often. But after 300-400 rounds it would start having the issues already mentioned here. I was shooting Freedom Munitions reloads. I traded it for an AR and other goodies. |
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I just got one and I haven't got to shoot it yet but a couple of the guys did and it ran a few hundred rounds through it without a hitch. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/971253_584687554909170_140111291_n.jpg That one has something mine doesn't....... |
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I shoot mine all the time and love it.. The only issue you should veer have is dependent on the ammo you use. Wen I got mine it had a very specific list of ammo that will work reliably. Reloads are a no-no. I have not seen the list recently but I have never had an issues with Federal, Winchester white box, or Remington.
Love mine and I got it when they first came out.. Wish I could shoot mine more but 30 rounds of .45 adds up quick |
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I have one, I just never shoot it because it's the most unreliable gun I have http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5026/vector1.jpg http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/vector3y.jpg have you sent it in for the updates? |
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Picked mine up as a pistol and send my paperwork in to SBR it the same day. Still waiting for my stamp to come back so I can put a stock on it. It has run 100% with all of the mags I have including 25 rounders. I have about 1,500 rounds through it so far.
MadDog 
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