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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How about a Kriss Vector thread? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/29/2011 7:14:56 PM EDT
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Any body liking the Kriss V?
I rented a full 16" carbine verson at a range... liked it aot but felt the carbine version seemed a little big for what it was (i'd rather have a high cal rifle at that size), but I love the SBR version but don't want to mess with the registration. Once I saw they came out with a Pistol version (SDP/Special Detail Pistol) I started to get a bad itch to buy one. 
The V with its side kick (.45 glock 21) I took it to the range yesterday and went through 250Rnds without the slightest hickup. Its not recoilless like some people would like to say, but definitely less & the muzzle climb is alot less. So far im really loving it! |
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Sent mine for the SBR conversion about a year ago, form 4 should be back soon. The thing is completely worthless with the 16 inch barrel
By the way, if anyone is planning on buying one and then doing the SBR process... it's cheaper to get the pistol and SBR it than it is to get the rifle and then register it. |
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You sent it to be SBR'd about a "year" ago???
Dang thats quite a wait time. Yeah if anyone wants one to SBR, you can get the pistol version and then buy a complete stock assembly for under $100 bucks. I may just have to do that. I was too excited to wait on SBR paperwork from the start, but I did see that as another plus for the pistol version if I decide to go that route. |
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I've shot the fullsized carbine (Storm case, Eotech, Magpul metal sights, the whole deal), and my local SOT friend just got a real-deal SMG in for demo.
I'm taking some ammo to run through it soon, have to buy some off of "the list" in the manual. I've got a couple thousand rounds of Georgia Arms .45, but they're not on the list... 
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You sent it to be SBR'd about a "year" ago??? Dang thats quite a wait time. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Sent it in last November, but they didn't get around to starting the process till sometime in spring/summer because they were busy from SHOT. Then had to wait on the form 1 for when they made it, then the form 3 to my dealer, and now the form 4 to me. Additionally, I forgot exactly how much it cost to shorten it, but it was over $400 not including the stamp. It would have been MUCH cheaper just to send it to ADCO, but that would void the warranty and the warranty is something you absolutely need with this badboy. so.... either get the SBR from the get go, or go with the pistol and then convert it. If you get the carbine version you'll just get pissed and eventually send it off for the conversion... so just save yourself the headache and the money An additional option they are offering is to buy a whole new lower. If you guys notice, the barrel is on the lower half and the fire control group is on the upper half. So this way you could buy an additional lower half with a 5.5inch barrel and have that registered while keeping the 16 inch carbine barrel. All you would have to do is switch the upper. A cool option and if I remember right, it cost about $650 not including stamp. What I seriously do not like about this however, if they ever release the 9mm or .40 versions, then you would have to buy a whole new lower and register those as SBR's separately. So there are some pros and cons, just depends on how you look at it. |
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I think the approved ammo list is more about ammo quality-control than it is about the V's ability to function properly.
But so far mines seems to work with just about anything I've put in it. I havent had a single malfunction ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I didnt know you could buy complete lowers. Thats cool I did hear Kriss is adding 9mm and .40 versions .....thats VERY cool Im not much interested in anything but the .45 for stopping effectiveness, but It might be fun to have a 9mm for pinking though |
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Sent mine for the SBR conversion about a year ago, form 4 should be back soon. The thing is completely worthless with the 16 inch barrel By the way, if anyone is planning on buying one and then doing the SBR process... it's cheaper to get the pistol and SBR it than it is to get the rifle and then register it. Um. I dont think that is possible. I looked into my Kriss getting SBR. but I didnt. Since I moved to NY State. SBR are not allowed here. The Pistol CANNOT have a stock. You need an entirely new Upper from a Carbine in order to put the stock on. At least that is what the Kriss people told me at SHOT earlier this year. If you want SBR just buy the SBR direct from Kriss Super V. saves you money. Costs almost the same as Carbine. Here is a video I whore out, of me and my kriss at shoothouse [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIOcs4rBYYY[/youtube] |
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Sent mine for the SBR conversion about a year ago, form 4 should be back soon. The thing is completely worthless with the 16 inch barrel By the way, if anyone is planning on buying one and then doing the SBR process... it's cheaper to get the pistol and SBR it than it is to get the rifle and then register it. Um. I dont think that is possible. I looked into my Kriss getting SBR. but I didnt. Since I moved to NY State. SBR are not allowed here. The Pistol CANNOT have a stock. You need an entirely new Upper from a Carbine in order to put the stock on. At least that is what the Kriss people told me at SHOT earlier this year. If you want SBR just buy the SBR direct from Kriss Super V. saves you money. Costs almost the same as Carbine. Here is a video I whore out, of me and my kriss at shoothouse  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIOcs4rBYYY
exactly, it's cheaper to get the pistol, and then register the lower and make it to a SBR. How they do it is not the point i'm making here, just that's it's cheaper to start with the pistol than carbine. You might have to purchase a new upper, beats me. I completely agree with going with the SBR from the get go, but that's not always how life works out. |
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The Pistol CANNOT have a stock. You need an entirely new Upper from a Carbine in order to put the stock on. At least that is what the Kriss people told me at SHOT earlier this year. Hmmm It sure looks like you could add a stock. The SPD has the same hinge and locking mechanisms as the SBR & Carbine version. It looks as if you could just take out the rivet that holds the SPD sling swivel (take it off), then add the SBR/Carbine stock. Thats just my observation though ...I havent talked to Kriss about this. |
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This is posted from the Kriss website in the Questions & Answers area (regarding SBR Conversions)
"For SDP to SBR conversions, we recommend you send the firearm to us to do the conversion. The conversion consists of removing the butted end piece and adding a folding stock. Similar to the CRB to SBR conversion, we will complete the appropriate paperwork with the ATF to register the class 3/NFA SBR. Removing the butted end piece from the SDP is more complicated than it seems. Please note, any attempts to modify our firearms will result in a voided warranty. As such, we don't recommend individual users attempt to remove the butted end piece themself as this will void the warranty. There is a charge for this service." So apparently theres no problem in adding a stock to the pistol, but it sucks that your warranty will be voided unless you pay them to do it. ...I sure as heck wouldnt want to wait a YEAR for them to do the work! LOL! |
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Here's a reply from Kriss about the SDP to SBR conversion.
"Thanks for your inquiry. We do offer SDP to SBR conversions. The process is fairly simple if you'd like us to do the conversion. We will send you a quote for the work (approximately $318) which includes parts and labor. Once you agree to the quote, you can ship us your SDP. We will complete the appropriate forms with the ATF, so the conversion, and then ship it to your class 3 dealer for transfer to you. If this interests you, please let me know and I will prepare a quote for you. It will take about 3-5 to complete the conversion due to the paperwork. If you have any other questions, please let me know." |
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Here's a reply from Kriss about the SDP to SBR conversion. "Thanks for your inquiry. We do offer SDP to SBR conversions. The process is fairly simple if you'd like us to do the conversion. We will send you a quote for the work (approximately $318) which includes parts and labor. Once you agree to the quote, you can ship us your SDP. We will complete the appropriate forms with the ATF, so the conversion, and then ship it to your class 3 dealer for transfer to you. If this interests you, please let me know and I will prepare a quote for you. It will take about 3-5 to complete the conversion due to the paperwork. If you have any other questions, please let me know." nice. not sure what the nfa wait time is for them to register it and then ship it to a dealer, but the personal transfer time is about 4-5 months. So it'd have to be at least a 8 month process |
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Here's a reply from Kriss about the SDP to SBR conversion. "Thanks for your inquiry. We do offer SDP to SBR conversions. The process is fairly simple if you'd like us to do the conversion. We will send you a quote for the work (approximately $318) which includes parts and labor. Once you agree to the quote, you can ship us your SDP. We will complete the appropriate forms with the ATF, so the conversion, and then ship it to your class 3 dealer for transfer to you. If this interests you, please let me know and I will prepare a quote for you. It will take about 3-5 to complete the conversion due to the paperwork. If you have any other questions, please let me know." nice. not sure what the nfa wait time is for them to register it and then ship it to a dealer, but the personal transfer time is about 4-5 months. So it'd have to be at least a 8 month process Dealer to dealer transfers are taking about 3 weeks. |
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Here's a reply from Kriss about the SDP to SBR conversion. "Thanks for your inquiry. We do offer SDP to SBR conversions. The process is fairly simple if you'd like us to do the conversion. We will send you a quote for the work (approximately $318) which includes parts and labor. Once you agree to the quote, you can ship us your SDP. We will complete the appropriate forms with the ATF, so the conversion, and then ship it to your class 3 dealer for transfer to you. If this interests you, please let me know and I will prepare a quote for you. It will take about 3-5 to complete the conversion due to the paperwork. If you have any other questions, please let me know." nice. not sure what the nfa wait time is for them to register it and then ship it to a dealer, but the personal transfer time is about 4-5 months. So it'd have to be at least a 8 month process Dealer to dealer transfers are taking about 3 weeks. that's good news, hopefully everything will start to get faster. It seems like shipman is flying through form 1's |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly."
I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? Yes. The upside down osprey keeps the bottom of the can clear of the bottom rail so you can use a light if you wish. |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? Yes. The upside down osprey keeps the bottom of the can clear of the bottom rail so you can use a light if you wish. No, I think you misunderstood my question, I'm talking about running a light in the hole of the upper receiver specifically meant for running a light. It's the hole above the barrel meant for executive series surefire. |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? Yes. The upside down osprey keeps the bottom of the can clear of the bottom rail so you can use a light if you wish. No, I think you misunderstood my question, I'm talking about running a light in the hole of the upper receiver specifically meant for running a light. It's the hole above the barrel meant for executive series surefire. My question is, did you use the solid piston setup to lock up the Osprey, or does it still function with the piston? If it's not locked up, you could reduce some felt recoil by locking it up or using a fixed SMG can. |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? Yes. The upside down osprey keeps the bottom of the can clear of the bottom rail so you can use a light if you wish. No, I think you misunderstood my question, I'm talking about running a light in the hole of the upper receiver specifically meant for running a light. It's the hole above the barrel meant for executive series surefire. My question is, did you use the solid piston setup to lock up the Osprey, or does it still function with the piston? If it's not locked up, you could reduce some felt recoil by locking it up or using a fixed SMG can. Not sure what he's using, but the major told me I needed to use a fixed spacer or I would eventually destroy the gun |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? Yes. The upside down osprey keeps the bottom of the can clear of the bottom rail so you can use a light if you wish. No, I think you misunderstood my question, I'm talking about running a light in the hole of the upper receiver specifically meant for running a light. It's the hole above the barrel meant for executive series surefire. I sure did misunderstand. I don't know for sure. I have an executive E2, I'll bring it over to the dealer and see if it clears with the Osprey upside down. Stand by. |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? Yes. The upside down osprey keeps the bottom of the can clear of the bottom rail so you can use a light if you wish. No, I think you misunderstood my question, I'm talking about running a light in the hole of the upper receiver specifically meant for running a light. It's the hole above the barrel meant for executive series surefire. My question is, did you use the solid piston setup to lock up the Osprey, or does it still function with the piston? If it's not locked up, you could reduce some felt recoil by locking it up or using a fixed SMG can. Use the solid piston. It's a fixed barrel. |
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Anyone know if these Kriss Super V's have barrels that are pressed in or are they threaded? If threaded are they right hand or left hand threaded? The barrel is a left hand thread, and I for the life of me don't know WHY. I'd like to pull it off and thread the thing "properly." I think the Kriss looks pretty good with an Osprey .45. We put that on upside down, because the lines look cleaner to the eye that way. This is sitting at Adco waiting for my Form 4 to come back. http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=281 With the osprey upside down, is there enough clearance for the light? Yes. The upside down osprey keeps the bottom of the can clear of the bottom rail so you can use a light if you wish. No, I think you misunderstood my question, I'm talking about running a light in the hole of the upper receiver specifically meant for running a light. It's the hole above the barrel meant for executive series surefire. Well, upside down osprey isn't going to clear for the light cut out. If you mount it right side up, it will clear. Doesn't look too bad that way either. The bottom of the suppressor is just below the level of the rail. |
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have you found a sling you liked? I loathed the sling with the pin I went through 2 single point slings and tried to get them to work, & attempted a 2 point sling, and finally came up with what you see here. 
Its just a simple 2-point sling looped into a single point neck sling. The 2 problems I had with a off the shelf single point is, #1. most of them have the bungee section (this made it where I couldnt get a positive push-out on the Vector when I was shooting it), and #2 I couldnt adjust them small enough to where I could get the Vector close to my body (at the shortest length they would have my support arm extended out nearly as far as a rifle. not good for close quarters defense or for stability). The way I have it now I can push-out with the vector and get alot of stability by having it firmly anchored to by body (it doesn't work very well with a bouncy bungee cord). And also I have it closer to my body which allows me to get my arms under it more (give me alot more support as opposed to holding it out further from me). You'd think you could get the same result with a single point sling going around your shoulder and under your arm, but I couldn't get it to work right. I couldn't ever get it tight enough that when I pushed-out on the Vector it would still be close to my body. I even tried putting knots in the sling to get them smaller. That got it shooting closer to my body, but then the sling wouldnt be loose enough to allow the vector to hang freely by my side. I could rotate the tight single point sling so that the vector would hang by my side, but if I had to grab the Vector from my side (to quickly shoot it from a hanging position) it wouldn't freely come up to my shooting position because the sling was so tight. I'd had to pull on the tight sling and rotate it back up to my firing position. And also it would tend to hang looser or tighter (and even get hung up on stuff) depending on if I was wearing a back pack or vest (things like that). The way I have it now, its simple, shoots where I want it, its shoots more controllably, it hangs where I want it, and it hangs freely. I need to add some quick disconnect ability but thats about it. The down sides are that 6-pounds hanging from your neck isnt nearly as comfortable as 6-pounds around your shoulders. Plus if anyone ever got a hold of me they could use the neck sling against me in worse ways than a shoulder sling (hopefully a quality quick disconnect with help with that though). But anyways... thats where im at in the evolution of a sling for this thing. So far I like it more than any other options I've tried, but I've always got my eyes open for something better ....hope that helps! |
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am i wrong about this, or does it seem like Kriss made the SBR process harder than it needed to be? one of the best things about SBR'ing most pistols is that you can do it yourself, as soon as your stamp comes back. in the meantime, you can still shoot it.
id be very interested in seeing whats involved in adding a stock to the Kriss pistol. if its easy, thats all it would take to get me to buy one. warranty be damned. |
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am i wrong about this, or does it seem like Kriss made the SBR process harder than it needed to be? one of the best things about SBR'ing most pistols is that you can do it yourself, as soon as your stamp comes back. in the meantime, you can still shoot it. id be very interested in seeing whats involved in adding a stock to the Kriss pistol. if its easy, thats all it would take to get me to buy one. warranty be damned. Thats a big reason why I went witht he pistol over the Carbine. From what i see you get it registered as an SBR, buy a complete stock assembly for less than $100, drill out the rivet that holds the pistol sling attachment on, and add the stock using Kriss's push pins. Thats it. Really though... the more I shoot this thing in pistol form, the more I feel that I don't need the stock. Its so controllable that its very useful without it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFRCDFxzFZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmx8wUm9Gt0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs2t915XOl0 |
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I havent had the pleasure of shooting the Kriss SBR or Pistol. However I have to say, dont dismiss the carbine. Yes the Kriss was designed as a SMG with a short barrel. However there are positive benefits to the 16 inch barrel. Just be glad we arent in Canada with 18.5 inch barrels.
I shot the Kriss with night vision (albeit cheap $50 night vision) and there is little to no flash from the muzzle. There was a random spark once or twice but that is it. Also not that much smoke comes out of the carbine. Like I saw in someone's pistol SDP video. Here is the video of my NV run. Watch for muzzle flash or smoke. not so much. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ce6zhxl8U[/youtube] Picture of my NV setup. I whore this picture out haha. 
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| Oh good news. I live in NY state, not NYC. I have confirmed that I can have Pre-ban 13 round glock 21 mags. AND that extensions can be added to them. Including the Kriss extension. Since there is no exclusion on extensions for a preban mag. Im carrying the penal code that states just that in the grip of my Kriss. almost like class III paper work haha. |
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I like mine , now that I sent it back to them and had all the updates put into it, it runs flawless and doesn't tear up the brass. it took about 2 wks no charge.. Very nice. What did they do? I know there is an update on the Safety selector switch. They change the position. I like the way mine works now. It doesnt bother me. What other updates are there? Here is a picture of my Preban Kriss G21 mags. Any state that allows preban mags with extensions, this is the answer to you problems. I was bummed for a long time, NY state only allows 10 rd mags. Is losing 3 rds out of the G21 mag so bad? Meh that didnt bother me too much. But not having my 30 stick of happiness did bother me. So I found out and confirmed with COBIS NY State police that preban with extensions is all legal in NY. It is just most ignorant people will see a 30 stick and jump to conclusions that it is illegal. 
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| ck out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrPPcnp2tU&feature=colike |
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Oh ok. mine has the old black rubber bumper part. it is all cracked too.
I ran the Kriss at a local Action shooting match. The stages were designed for pistols but they allowed Pistol Caliber Carbines. I found it fun and challenging to shoot weak side to engage targets around a barrier. I dont do that very often and enjoed the challenge. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSPi0RinZfc[/youtube] |
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Oh ok. mine has the old black rubber bumper part. it is all cracked too. I ran the Kriss at a local Action shooting match. The stages were designed for pistols but they allowed Pistol Caliber Carbines. I found it fun and challenging to shoot weak side to engage targets around a barrier. I dont do that very often and enjoed the challenge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSPi0RinZfcThat looked like fun. I'm going to have to get me one of those cameras some day. |
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My Kriss superv is sitting my FFL's safe and I'm geting my trust finished up so i can send off the paper work I picked up a brand new SBR for $1800 shipped  Lucky for me I still get to shoot it when my FFL buddy brings it over to my house to shoot but then its bye bye and he takes it back home.Its almost like a custody with a kids. |
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Lucky!!! I would SBR mine in a heartbeat if I could. But NY is stupid.
So a few updates on my Kriss. I had a pair of speedplates made with my friend's help. They are Magpul Speedplate inspired. Magpul only makes the speedplate for 9mm and 40 since the mags are the same dimensions. The Glock 21 however has larger mags.These are 3d printed prototypes made of a very strong polymer material. They are rigid though, not rubbery like the Magpul speedplates. The reason I need these are for my preban mags. They are not drop free like the current mags. So this was my solution to aid myself removing the mag when I want to do a mag change with the preban inserted. 
I also got a pair of prototype Kriss MBUS. Early production Kriss came with folding metal Magpul MBUS. They switched to the MWI folding sights because they are supposedly cheaper. But at $286 for a set on Kriss web page, the MWI dont seem all that cheap to me. Anyway here they are. The beauty of the sights is that they work as pistol sights when the sights are folded down. Similar design to the HK MP7 sights. So if the stock was folded and you had the Kriss slung, you could press out like a pistol, sight and shoot. 
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how is the construction on these things? I am wary to get attached to anything via the NFA process if it might not be easily supported in the future. And I amazed that they are still in business given that 5.56 has pretty much taken over the role of sub guns in police work.
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how is the construction on these things? I am wary to get attached to anything via the NFA process if it might not be easily supported in the future. And I amazed that they are still in business given that 5.56 has pretty much taken over the role of sub guns in police work. I guess if they go out of business, maybe the guns will have added collector value and be not too hard to sell... Construction is on par with the price tag. You are not getting a hipoint carbine. It is a well engineered machine. It does exactly what they say it does. |
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So I had my first set of mafulctions. Jams, double feeds, FTE etc. All due to me not keeping the gun clean, I didnt clean it since my last shoot back in November.
Before this it has run everything I put through it. So lesson learned. Keep it clean and lubed. simple enough. Video. Kriss POV Dec Action Shoot. |
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