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Posted: 7/4/2013 5:09:42 AM EDT
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Found one at local dealer. New in box. I love it and was thinking of picking it up. Guy says its limited edition but I don't really know much about lever guns. He wants $900 for it, seams like a lot but on the other hand the gun feels/looks like it would be worth it.
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That sounds high to me. I'm going to look up a price in minute or two. I assume it is a Winchester? Any other particulars?
Is this it? Model 1892 Trapper .44-40 WCF, .44 Rem. Mag., .357 Mag., or .45 LC cal., 16 in. round gloss blue barrel, high polish blue steel receiver, tube mag., oil finished Grade I straight grip walnut stock with plastic shotgun style buttplate, Marble's gold bead front sight, buckhorn style rear sight, tang safety, 5 lbs. 14 oz. Mfg. mid-2011-2012. If so then then that price isn't too bad according to this source. They say $925 @ 100% and an MSRP of $1069. |
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Thanks guys. All I know is Winchester 94 45 long colt 16" barrel salesman said "trapper" it's nice wood with blued finish.
My only other experience with lever guns is the model 94 32 win special my dad handed down to me says he paid $50 new back in the fifties for it. Does seam a little high in price but then again maybe it's the only one I'll ever come across? |
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Thanks guys. All I know is Winchester 94 45 long colt 16" barrel salesman said "trapper" it's nice wood with blued finish. My only other experience with lever guns is the model 94 32 win special my dad handed down to me says he paid $50 new back in the fifties for it. Does seam a little high in price but then again maybe it's the only one I'll ever come across? Model 92 is a much more compact lighter weapon and slicker to operate. There are a few people out there that are so fast with lever they can lock up the 92 action due to limitation of the action and the way it works according to some sources in SASS. The 73 is heavier action due to length but especially with short stroke kit can be run faster than any other lever and can be made to fit 10 rounds in the magazine with only a 16" barrel. IMHO the Model 94 is alot of action for such a light pistol round. Consider that the 92 has even been chambered in .454. For a 30-30, .348, .32 Special, or 7x30 Waters the 94 is worth it but I would rather have a 95 in 30-06 or even .30-40 if the ammo was more common. The model 94 just happened to be the only lever action Winchester made when they came out with the .45LC Trapper. BTW-Years ago when I saw three magazine articles on the 7x30 Waters all three articles showed test groups of 1moa or less. If you are buying it because you see Winchester as an investment I'm sure there aren't many made and they are hard to find in perfect condition. |
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I bought one a few months ago for $625. Mine was mint but had no box.
Mine has the safety in front of the hammer on the receiver. Alot of people don't like the ones with this type of safety bit I don't mind. Mine shoots exceptionally well. My 7 year old was hitting an 8" metal gong at 100 yards with it about 33% of the time. Open sights of course. To me the asking price is a little high but a "bird in the hand." You will not mind the price when you shoot it. Good luck! |
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$900 sounds high but you might be able to talk shop down some.
I recently purchased a Win 94 AE Trapper in 30-30 for $600. It was probably 98% or better but no box/papers. It has 16" barrel, walnut stock, saddle ring, color case hardening finish on receiver and hammer extension. It was a 90's mfg model with the "less than desirable" cross bolt safety. |
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my 94 trapper was about $500, AE in .45, though the markings were double rolled
great little rifle edited to say mine had the rebounding hammer, and tang safety. I removed that crap quick enough, proper half cock hammer on it now, and tang sight hiding where the safety used to be |
Well sales man was wrong it's a model 1892 45lc trapper. Got him Down a little with a box of ammo out the door for 925.00 only had 2 tyPes of ammo so that what I got I'll have to shop around for other types of ammo here are some pics. One next to an AR for size comparison. Doesn't look muh smaller but man does it feel a lot smaller! I love it shot a few rounds at 25yds later tonight I'll shoot it some more!
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The newer made Mod 92 Winchesters are more money than the older made Mod 1894's.
Plus even the older made Mod 1894 Trappers in 44 Mag and 45 Colt have gone up as they are not being made roight now as far as I know. Here are some Random Thoughts on a Carbine in a big bore handgun calibre. My forst deer rifle when I wasd a kid was a Ruger Deerstalker in 44 Mag. I killed a LOT of deer with that carbine. I have also had a Marlin 44 Mag lever and currently have a Winchester 1894 Trapper in 44 Mag. I also carry a 44 Mag handgun when in the field so the 44 Carbine is best for me. I have killed a few pigs with the 44 Mag Winchester. I have killed deer and pigs with many different rifle calibres. I can say trhat a 240 gr 44 bullet going around 1800 fps, kills deer as good as ANYTHING else, from a 300 Mag to my Elephant Gun a 450 No2. Same for the 45 Colt with proper ammo. I would not hesitate to use a 44 Mag or a 45 Colt Lever to protect myself from Kodiak Bear, with the correct ammo of course. And the Trappers are very light and handy. In the handgun calibres the 92's are even slicker than the 1894's, IMHO. Also I have carried my Trapper in 44 Mag as my vehicle "road" gun on those trips where I go to see a buddy in Kalif. as they are leagal most everywhere I know of. The Wife and I also use it quite a bit as our "Utility Rifle when camping or at the deer lease. Transported properly in the vehicle, according to local laws of course. |
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In addition to Model 94s in .30-30 and .375 Winchester, I own a Winchester Model 94 Trapper in .45 Colt, a nicely tuned Rossi 20" Model 92 in .45 Colt, and a Armi Sport made Model 92 24" takedown rifle in .45 Colt.
Between the Model 94 and the Model 92 in a pistol class cartridge, my hands down choice is the Model 92. 1) The Model 92 action is significantly shorter and a 20" Model 92 is only about 2.5" longer than a 16" Model 94. 2) The Model 92 action is smoother. The Model 94 uses a toggle link to get the extra bolt throw and it just isn't as fast or as smooth as a Model 92. 3) The Model 92 is a scaled down Model 1886 and it's actually stronger than the Model 94. That's partly due to the shorter bolt on the Model 92 (less bolt flex) but also due to the design of the locking lugs. The Model 92 has two lugs, each about 3/4" deep and 3/16" wide, recessed into a receiver with shorter walls. This compares to the Model 94's single locking lug that has to bridge the gap between the receiver walls and locks at the extreme rear of the bolt, further increasing the potential for bolt flex on the already longer bolt. The Model 92 is also the sweet spot for pistol class carbines in terms of strength versus smoothness. The Model 1873 for example is smoother and faster, and is preferred for cowboy loads, but it is not nearly as strong and won't handle loads in excess of the 14,000 psi SAAMI spec. The Model 92 will handle .45 Colt loads in excess of 32,000 psi, and the Model 92 can handle .454 Casull loads with a SAAMI spec of 65,000 psi. It's incredibly strong. |
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Congrats on the new gun, anytime you can score an older Winchester you've done good. I've got a Winchester 94 in .44 magnum that my father bought new in the mid 70's. It's very light, small, points extremely well and packs a big accurate wallop. I'm just happy its still in the family and being loved. It wasn't really that long ago that people turned their noses up at a post-64 but they are just now starting to pull big premiums so buy them now!
What year is yours? It looks brand new, very nice. |
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Thanks it is brand new. Far as I can tell it was made in 2011-12. I can't find any info online about how many where made though. I found a limited edition trapper just like mine but with a saddle ring. Mine does not have the saddle ring. Are the new ones really made in Japan? Does it say that on the rifle? |
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Until the most recent re-introduction, the Model 94s were made in South Carolina, but now all the lever actions, including the Model 1885, 1886, 1892, 1894 and 1895 are made by Miroku in Japan for Winchester. It's not all bad news however as the quality on them is better.
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Thanks it is brand new. Far as I can tell it was made in 2011-12. I can't find any info online about how many where made though. I found a limited edition trapper just like mine but with a saddle ring. Mine does not have the saddle ring. Are the new ones really made in Japan? Does it say that on the rifle? Basically the only WInchester made in the US is the Model 70. Their shotguns are made in Belgium and Turkey with the lever guns produced in Japan. Here's a link you may find interesting: Where Winchesters are made |
| That's interesting thanks. I'm not going to lie, I really don't like Winchester's being made overseas but if thats what it takes to keep it going then I'm ok with it. I have a Fender Pink Paisley Stratocaster that's a "made in japan" model. They make around 400 every few years and they are difficult to acquire so it was Japan or nothing. Turns out the MIJ pink paisley Strat is widely considered even better than the made in America and its an amazing guitar. While I still wish it was made in America I'm totally happy with it. |
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Go to Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com, tons of info on handloads for the .45 Colt in the 92 Winchester. I own two Interarm 92's, with a 300 gr Hardcast bullet running close to 2000 fps they hit deer like the hammer of god. That is a sweet rifle you have there. Which load do you use to get these velocities? and have you shot them over a chronograph? |
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