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Posted: 11/5/2017 1:29:28 PM EDT
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What is the resolution of ur cameras? 1080p?
Cat 5/6e makes no real difference in quality of image, it just allows you to extend the signal more without degrading. The bandwidth difference is minor. If your running over 150ft I would reccomend the 6, if your under 100 feet, run the 5. If you want to get really fancy run Cat6A and you can go upwards 600-800 feet. I would reccomend a shielded cable in either of the 2 main categories above. This will limit the risk of electrical interference and will provide a good clean signal. Connectors I would use the industry standard rj45 plugs. If your system is POE do not use the EZ plugs that are push through as they run the high risk of a short. Unless ur doing the 6A route, any network crimper will work and can be located online or in home improvement stores. Monoprice.com Has been a cheap go to for consumable about related parts for the industry for a few years. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 1:38:55 PM EDT
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6 goes to 90m. I looked around and can’t see that 6A is allowed to go more, whether it does in actuality I don’t know. But at 90m we have to switch 6 to fiber.
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Posted: 11/5/2017 1:39:20 PM EDT
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Cat5e is speced for 1gbps to 328ft. Cat6 or 6a isn't going to get you better picture. The better cable can help with longer lengths but it's a crapshoot.
Cat6a is mainly for use in 10gbps networks. And you have to have good termination for it to work well. For cameras save your money and go with Cat5e. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 1:51:17 PM EDT
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It depends on the gear. I’m currently running a hdbaseT extender/receiver over 700 feet on 6A.
I should mention I’m a Audio/Video Field Engineer. So my applications are on the extreme side. The typical rule of thumb is 330feet. But it depends on the signal. 1080p is easy. 4K and audio is where you run into limitations. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 2:24:31 PM EDT
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The length limitations (100 meters for CAT5) are more for data applications. Over that length and you start to get packet collisions.
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Posted: 11/5/2017 2:52:53 PM EDT
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Went through the same thing you're going through. House was studded and I wired all of the cat6, coax, and speaker cables for surround sound.
I haven't bought the reolink system yet, but I went ahead and pre-wired with cat6. When you can buy 1000ft of cat6 cable for $125 you ain't saving much going cat5. I went with true cable on Amazon. For some reason it's currently out of stock, but I bought 3k feet of it at $125/1k. It's about the best quality cat6 have ever used. Rated for in wall, supports 550mhz and solid core. For God's sake don't pay the $650 it's currently listed for.  
I went ahead and installed 2x4s where I wanted the cameras, drilled a 5/8" hole in the middle, and folded over the cat6 and crammed it in the hole. When the soffit is installed I'll just take my measurements, drill a 5/8" hole, thread the cable through, and install the camera into the 2x4.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 5:03:33 PM EDT
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What is the resolution of ur cameras? 1080p? Cat 5/6e makes no real difference in quality of image, it just allows you to extend the signal more without degrading. The bandwidth difference is minor. If your running over 150ft I would reccomend the 6, if your under 100 feet, run the 5. If you want to get really fancy run Cat6A and you can go upwards 600-800 feet. I would reccomend a shielded cable in either of the 2 main categories above. This will limit the risk of electrical interference and will provide a good clean signal. Connectors I would use the industry standard rj45 plugs. If your system is POE do not use the EZ plugs that are push through as they run the high risk of a short. Unless ur doing the 6A route, any network crimper will work and can be located online or in home improvement stores. Monoprice.com Has been a cheap go to for consumable about related parts for the industry for a few years. Cameras are POE. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 10:04:15 PM EDT
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Do you have specific links to the shielded Cat6 and ends? Cameras are POE. I have lived in or personally helped wire a half dozen houses with ethernet and have never used shielded cable and never will. Unless you are running parallel with power cables (which of course should be avoided at all costs), or unless you are running cat6 cables in circles around a fluorescent light I just don't see shielded cables making much of a difference in a house. There is just simply nowhere else for the EMI to come from. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 10:25:36 PM EDT
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The length limitations (100 meters for CAT5) are more for data applications. Over that length and you start to get packet collisions. 
tell us about packet collisions in a switched ethernet network. collision domains exist in older shared media ethernet when using repeaters (hubs), but not in modern networks when using L2 switches. in fact, at GbE and above, there is no repeater (hub) concept. CSMA/CD is not employed in modern high speed ethernet implementations, because it doesn't have to be. therefore, ethernet segment distance is a function of signal integrity, and not the prospect of collision domain timing. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 10:29:29 PM EDT
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In my humble opinion shielded cables are not needed in a home environment. You only really need shielded cables in high EMI situations which just simply do not exist in most homes. I have lived in or personally helped wire a half dozen houses with ethernet and have never used shielded cable and never will. Unless you are running parallel with power cables (which of course should be avoided at all costs), or unless you are running cat6 cables in circles around a fluorescent light I just don't see shielded cables making much of a difference in a house. There is just simply nowhere else for the EMI to come from. (*) CMMR = common mode rejection ratio ar-jedi |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 11:37:19 AM EDT
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Clearly there are some highly educated people in this thread, but I'll just throw my two cents in.... For my moms system we used Cat6 cable, all runs came in under 100 feet, I used Cat6 because I didn't really know much at that time.
For my system, I used the supplied cables, one wasn't long enough, so I went to HD and bought one of those ethernet cable connectors as a temporary fix until I put a new cable in. Haven't had any problems at all with my cables, my moms cables, or the little cable connector, so I'll probably just leave it in place until (if) something happens. Now in the future when I actually build my house, I will likely use the best (affordable) cable I can find, and pre-wire everything up, so that'll likely be Cat6, just to future-proof a little bit. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 11:44:03 AM EDT
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Go with Cat5e unless there is a specific need for 6. 5e gets you 1 Ghz, is cheaper, easier to work with and connecting equipment (patch panels, etc) should be a bit cheaper too.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:18:25 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the great replies!
Most are way over my head. Can someone just post up some links of different cables? Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 6:36:03 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the great replies! Most are way over my head. Can someone just post up some links of different cables? Thanks! This looks like good cable that meets all of those requirements. 
Looks like you can get it for $115 if you don't care if it's been repackaged. That's a hell of a deal IMHO. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:09:21 PM EDT
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Just go to Amazon or monoprice and find any cable listed as cat6, 550mhz, 23 awg, solid copper, utp. I posted a link of what I used, but they appear to be out of stock (except for some asshole trying to sell it for $650). This looks like good cable that meets all of those requirements. www.amazon.com/dp/B0049KV52ELooks like you can get it for $115 if you don't care if it's been repackaged. That's a hell of a deal IMHO. Shielded cable isn't necessary. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 11:56:44 AM EDT
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Do you have specific links to the shielded Cat6 and ends? Cameras are POE. https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051305&p_id=7301&seq=1&format=2 10 bucks per 100. A good quality option for you if you want Shielded. I can provide more, but they are quick on the shipping and most of the stuff are factory directs. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 3:16:39 PM EDT
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https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=18609 144 for 1k feet https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051305&p_id=7301&seq=1&format=2 10 bucks per 100. A good quality option for you if you want Shielded. I can provide more, but they are quick on the shipping and most of the stuff are factory directs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you have specific links to the shielded Cat6 and ends? Cameras are POE. https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=105&cp_id=10513&cs_id=1051305&p_id=7301&seq=1&format=2 10 bucks per 100. A good quality option for you if you want Shielded. I can provide more, but they are quick on the shipping and most of the stuff are factory directs. |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 12:33:47 PM EDT
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This is the best deal out there for cable.
I have used 1 of them so far and the second one will be mostly used up this weekend for more cameras in my shop. There is no need to use anything but Cat5E for cameras as you will never saturate even a Cat5E cable much less a Cat6 cable. This crimp tool has served me well for 15 years and hundreds of end. These connectors should be fine. Don't get the EZ type ones where the wires run thru the connector as you could have issues with POE connections. |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 2:43:30 PM EDT
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What crimper and ends would you suggest for using with the first cable you posted? Crimp tool: Any basic RJ45/Rj11 tool will work. I like the platinum brand crimps. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XP8QYXC/ref=abs_brd_tag_dp?smid=A1YZFEAB0CJC0T This one should be available at all Home Depots https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Ratcheting-Modular-Crimper-Stripper-VDV226011SEN/202038310 |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 2:44:57 PM EDT
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This is the best deal out there for cable. I have used 1 of them so far and the second one will be mostly used up this weekend for more cameras in my shop. There is no need to use anything but Cat5E for cameras as you will never saturate even a Cat5E cable much less a Cat6 cable. This crimp tool has served me well for 15 years and hundreds of end. These connectors should be fine. Don't get the EZ type ones where the wires run thru the connector as you could have issues with POE connections. |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 1:44:36 PM EDT
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I was going to just get my wire from Homedepot but ended up ordering from Walmart
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https://www.walmart.com/ip/StarTech-com-1000-Bulk-Roll-of-Gray-CMR-Cat5e-Solid-UTP-Cable/23146836 I will pick up ideal rj45 from homedepot. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 8:43:55 PM EDT
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0092TG310?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd
I have 2k feet of this 5e wire running my 4K cameras without issue. One line to each camera. 40 something bucks. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 8:52:49 PM EDT
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If it were my new home, i would also hard wire for a security system to all doors and motion detectors, even if i didnt have the funds to install the system now.
Maybe some gurus could interject at this point as I have not done this since my last build in 1994. Yes, old guy here. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 8:56:37 PM EDT
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0092TG310?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd I have 2k feet of this 5e wire running my 4K cameras without issue. One line to each camera. 40 something bucks. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:41:03 PM EDT
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Just say no to CCA (copper clad aluminum) Cat5E. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0092TG310?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd I have 2k feet of this 5e wire running my 4K cameras without issue. One line to each camera. 40 something bucks. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 8:33:11 AM EDT
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No CCA was the first thing I look for when checking out the specs. The quality of the rj45 plugs will come into play later on . I will use boots and tape up the connections on the outside. I will use boots on the plugs in the inside too. The ideal brand from homedepot and lowes I hope are good.
Talking about CCA wire does any one know what is the quality of the premade cables that come with the Reolink system? I should have my order here at the end of the week. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 2:27:21 PM EDT
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No CCA was the first thing I look for when checking out the specs. The quality of the rj45 plugs will come into play later on . I will use boots and tape up the connections on the outside. I will use boots on the plugs in the inside too. The ideal brand from homedepot and lowes I hope are good. Talking about CCA wire does any one know what is the quality of the premade cables that come with the Reolink system? I should have my order here at the end of the week. I have a solid hatred of hoods on the plugs. It makes it a pain in the ass to take the cable off. I wouldn't bother making the patch cables, just buy them. |
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