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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:19:59 AM EDT
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How do you protect against crash and smash attacks?
I was looking at an all-in-one unit (Lyric) that mounts the actual system in the control panel. If someone forces entry, they could hypothetically rip the unit off the wall, pull the main power, and rip out the backup battery before the system signals an alarm. The monitored systems will still alarm after a certain amount of time with no contact, but I want to do a self-monitored system. So my only options are to set the entry delay to "0" and just use a wireless fob to disable the system, if it is armed, before entry? That way if the unit senses a breech it automatically begins communicating an alarm without waiting for a password/deactivation code to be entered? And other ideas or am I missing something? |
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Really, the protection is to use a unit that isn't designed this way. The only wireless unit I know of that's designed with separate keypads and control panel is the DSC Alexor, but there may be others on the market by now.
Another thing that might help, if the unit supports a second keypad, is to put the main unit in the master bedroom (where you should really have a keypad anyway) and just a keypad near the entry door. If you can also wire an external siren to the main keypad, so much the better--it would make it harder to locate the main keypad to tear it down and disable it. |
| the smash feature works fast on mine as if something interrupts the process the monitor company calls right away. Not really sure how it works. You would have to have some sort of software on the "monitor" side of the equation? I would think a surveillance system that you could check remotely could be used along with the security system just to verify any hinky behavior of the security system. I think anytime you have batteries and wireless you introduce a whole new set of problems into the equation. |
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I have the lyric also. So far 19 zones and am adding a little bit at a time.
The controller has a built in smash protection. It sends the signal immediately on alarm and the signal is cancelled when the alarm is cleared by the subscriber. At least that's my understanding. The only test I've done so far was trigger an alarm which transmits to my phone. It was instant. One of the reasons I went with the Lyric. Alarmgrid.com FTW. |
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Because a Vista 20P is a wired system, albeit one to which a wireless unit can be attached. The 20P is sort of a hybrid, depending on the Op's layout, only a few wires to hard wire critical parts and the rest wireless. |
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Really, the protection is to use a unit that isn't designed this way. The only wireless unit I know of that's designed with separate keypads and control panel is the DSC Alexor, but there may be others on the market by now. Another thing that might help, if the unit supports a second keypad, is to put the main unit in the master bedroom (where you should really have a keypad anyway) and just a keypad near the entry door. If you can also wire an external siren to the main keypad, so much the better--it would make it harder to locate the main keypad to tear it down and disable it. I really do not know what Honeywell was thinking on this one. You need to run a DC power cord to the unit, so what would be another small comm cable to a hidden, protected box (like a vista) for the brain and notification features? You are drilling a hole anyway for the dc power... |
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the smash feature works fast on mine as if something interrupts the process the monitor company calls right away. Not really sure how it works. You would have to have some sort of software on the "monitor" side of the equation? I would think a surveillance system that you could check remotely could be used along with the security system just to verify any hinky behavior of the security system. I think anytime you have batteries and wireless you introduce a whole new set of problems into the equation. 
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I have the lyric also. So far 19 zones and am adding a little bit at a time. The controller has a built in smash protection. It sends the signal immediately on alarm and the signal is cancelled when the alarm is cleared by the subscriber. At least that's my understanding. The only test I've done so far was trigger an alarm which transmits to my phone. It was instant. One of the reasons I went with the Lyric. Alarmgrid.com FTW. |
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Yes, I know, I guess I missed the question of why the OP had to have wireless. The 20P is sort of a hybrid, depending on the Op's layout, only a few wires to hard wire critical parts and the rest wireless. I just can not believe the way they put everything in a keypad that is vulnerable to attack like that with the wireless system. And it sounds like the majority are like that 
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