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Posted: 12/9/2008 1:59:31 PM EDT
| I've read that the tolerences are "too tight" to be considered a battle rifle.Is that really the case?Just curious,i know VERY little about the SIG,but it sure does look good! |
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I've read that the tolerences are "too tight" to be considered a battle rifle.Is that really the case?Just curious,i know VERY little about the SIG,but it sure does look good! Well, no. There are other issues that might be of concern, but it being 'too tight' is not something that I have heard. It wouldn't qualify as a battle rifle on the basis of the 5.56mm cartridge not it's 'tightness'. Loosening sight leaf, plastic stock tube, and fragile handguards would be my concerns if I were heading out to war tonight with a rifle out of the box. |
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i have heard good things coming from tactical classes and that they are finishing without malfunctions. personally i have seen my friends rifle shoot over 700 rounds without cleaning and without any stoppages.
i also hear that grease is the lube of choice and do not use CLP type lubes. i did change out the cheezy folding stock with carbine buffer tube and vltor stock. not a big fan of the magpul CTR. i have a FDE model from RSR with 200 rounds through it in its first range trip last week. not one problem except that it doesnt like my beta mag.... |
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Eh, it's another one of those gun writer, couch commando terminology. "Battle Rifle" is the label placed on autoloading or select fire rifles firing a full power rifle round, typically 7.62x51 (.308). Think of G3s, FALs, M14s... Rifles firing intermediate rounds like the M16, AKs, AUGs and such are typically termed assault rifles.
Or some such thing. They all go bang and can be used in warfare though. |
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Funny, snipers in Iraq/Afganistan are using their M24's (in 7.62) for longer ranges but are using their M4's (5.56) anything 600 yards and in and are racking up more kills. Using 9:1 twist, 77 grain bullets, and their ACOGs, their M4's are prefered over the M24's due to rate of fire and quick targeting. I think they'd take the 5.56 over any soviet block 7.62 any day due the better accuracy!
Having said that, I think my Sig556 with the 7:1 would be even more accurate! |
| I kinda thought that was going to be the case...grey lines. I think it's strange to say that an M16 is not a battle rifle. I understand it's a small round, but the 5.56 has been doing battle for longer than I have been alive. Subgun, assault rifle, combat arms, battle rifle, whatever...they have all been in "battle". Semantics. Sorry to knit-pick but, like most things, the lines can get blurred. I mean, is a 10" barreled .308 still a "battle rifle" since the ballistics are quite limited with the short barrel? Where does a 6.8 SPC fall? What's a .458 socom? |
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SIG 556 rifles are highly reliable and tolerant of a very wide range of mags, even GI with green followers.
I am not a fan of the models with the original furniture but the more recent ones such as the Commando and CLassis are truly sweet. My Commando is really excellent. I use TW25B for lubrication, never a problem. |
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I think they'd take the 5.56 over any soviet block 7.62 any day due the better accuracy!
Having said that, I think my Sig556 with the 7:1 would be even more accurate! Only on the days when they're expecting enemy out past 300 yards. Don't try to take anything away from the AK platform, it's more battle proven than anything else out there and many SOCOM types still use them. Of course it wouldn't be the choice of a sniper, but neither the M4, 55X, nor the AK are sniper weapons. Also I seriously doubt any 556 would match a similar M4 setup in terms of accuracy. The AR15/M16 platform is inherently accurate. I've put together rigs that shot sub-MOA using standard 16" chrome lined barrels, something I've yet to see in the 556. That said, reliability goes over accuracy for a rifle in this category. |
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Funny, snipers in Iraq/Afganistan are using their M24's (in 7.62) for longer ranges but are using their M4's (5.56) anything 600 yards and in and are racking up more kills. Using 9:1 twist, 77 grain bullets, and their ACOGs, their M4's are prefered over the M24's due to rate of fire and quick targeting. I think they'd take the 5.56 over any soviet block 7.62 any day due the better accuracy! Having said that, I think my Sig556 with the 7:1 would be even more accurate! Where are they getting M-4's with a 1:9? Specs for it to actually be a military M-4 is a 1:7. Where does your info come from? |
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It wouldn't qualify as a battle rifle on the basis of the 5.56mm cartridge not it's 'tightness'. Curious then, what is the minimum cartridge size for a rifle to be considered a "battle rifle"? just hear say. i know it sounds wierd and makes no sense but a friend experienced someone with a malfunctioning sig556 and he was using light oil. once that got clean out and lubed with grease it worked. i'll see if i can get him to post about it to get a better answer. |
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i also hear that grease is the lube of choice and do not use CLP type lubes. Where did you hear that? Any explanation given on why? This can be traced back to a gun writer. I had one of the first SIG 556’s and always used grease. A gun writer I know received a SIG556 to write up and after a little while he had big issues. The rifle would hardly run. Turned out he used CLP and not grease. He consulted me and I informed him he should use grease, like white lithium. After lubing with grease the rifle ran perfect with any ammunition. And if I remember correctly SIG ships the rifles with grease. |
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just hear say. i know it sounds wierd and makes no sense but a friend experienced someone with a malfunctioning sig556 and he was using light oil. once that got clean out and lubed with grease it worked. i'll see if i can get him to post about it to get a better answer. I have almost 4000 rounds through my 556, all with break-free and have yet to have a single jam. You don't need grease. ...and sig's written instructions tell you to remove the grease before you shoot the rifle. |
The proof is in the pudding...literally. 
Sig 55X Military Testing |
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Funny, snipers in Iraq/Afganistan are using their M24's (in 7.62) for longer ranges but are using their M4's (5.56) anything 600 yards and in and are racking up more kills. Using 9:1 twist, 77 grain bullets, and their ACOGs, their M4's are prefered over the M24's due to rate of fire and quick targeting. I think they'd take the 5.56 over any soviet block 7.62 any day due the better accuracy! Having said that, I think my Sig556 with the 7:1 would be even more accurate! Every M4 or M-16 I've seen in the Army (except a few A1's for training purpose only) all had 1/7 barrels. Not pissing on your claim just saying that they probably are 1/7's. CMS |
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i have heard good things coming from tactical classes and that they are finishing without malfunctions. personally i have seen my friends rifle shoot over 700 rounds without cleaning and without any stoppages. i also hear that grease is the lube of choice and do not use CLP type lubes. i did change out the cheezy folding stock with carbine buffer tube and vltor stock. not a big fan of the magpul CTR. i have a FDE model from RSR with 200 rounds through it in its first range trip last week. not one problem except that it doesnt like my beta mag.... wouldn't feed from the BETA reliably ?? |
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i have heard good things coming from tactical classes and that they are finishing without malfunctions. personally i have seen my friends rifle shoot over 700 rounds without cleaning and without any stoppages. i also hear that grease is the lube of choice and do not use CLP type lubes. i did change out the cheezy folding stock with carbine buffer tube and vltor stock. not a big fan of the magpul CTR. i have a FDE model from RSR with 200 rounds through it in its first range trip last week. not one problem except that it doesnt like my beta mag.... wouldn't feed from the BETA reliably ?? that is correct. it would load a round manually but once fired it would shove the next round into the mag tower. this particualr beta runs great in any ar15 or m16. i haven't messed with it again, yet. |
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i have heard good things coming from tactical classes and that they are finishing without malfunctions. personally i have seen my friends rifle shoot over 700 rounds without cleaning and without any stoppages. i also hear that grease is the lube of choice and do not use CLP type lubes. i did change out the cheezy folding stock with carbine buffer tube and vltor stock. not a big fan of the magpul CTR. i have a FDE model from RSR with 200 rounds through it in its first range trip last week. not one problem except that it doesnt like my beta mag.... wouldn't feed from the BETA reliably ?? that is correct. it would load a round manually but once fired it would shove the next round into the mag tower. this particualr beta runs great in any ar15 or m16. i haven't messed with it again, yet. bummer , I was planning on using my BETA with my 556 carbine |
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I have upgraded my 556 with the Sampson rail and Vltor stock. I also installed the Sampson 556 front BUIS. My opinion of the rifle is that it shoots very nicely. Functioning is smooth. The trigger is a nice smooth 2 stage. The ambi safety is great and is positive in function. The mag release is positioned like the AR but is further away. A litle finger stretching may be required, thus breaking your grip.
The only large complaint I have about the rifle is the balance of it. It is way to heavy in the forend and way too light in the back end. The bolt relase is also too sensitive. When on a single point sling, bolt open, the bolt drops constantly. I don't have that problem with my M4s. I would not recommend the Sampson 556 BUIS front sight. It has too much side to side play in it. I would rather a Troy even though I would lose an inch of sight radius (to mount it needs to be back on the upper rail). Because of the weight issue, I tend to favor my custom built M4 with the Adams Arms piston kit. It has never malfunctioned. I run it hard too. 1400 rounds in two days of intense training with rain and mud. No lube either. Bottom line, I like my Sig. I just like my piston M4 better. My M4 is lighter, better balanced, has greater parts availablity, and more highly customizable as well. There aren't too many changes you can make to the Sig at this point. The piston on my M4 is what puts it over the top of the 556 in a big way. |
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I have two SIG 556 and they both shoot like all-get-out. One has (approximately) 4,500 rounds of Wolf ammunition through it; and second one has about 2,000 rounds of Wolf through it.
No malfunctions or stoppages of any kind! I highly recommend a SIG 556 to anyone considering one! 
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