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Posted: 3/13/2010 11:08:00 AM EDT
| So what does one do if a dealer does NOT (and will not) include a copy of their FFL license with the firearm shipment? They will only give you the first 3 and last 5 digits for you to verify them on FFL EZ check? So that's all I put in the A&D book. I tried to talk to this dealer to understand his reasoning but he acted like an ass. |
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You can look up the whole number at http://www.atf.gov/statistics/ffl-list.html if you have the first 3, last 5, and shipping address.
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Quoted: So what does one do if a dealer does NOT (and will not) include a copy of their FFL license with the firearm shipment? They will only give you the first 3 and last 5 digits for you to verify them on FFL EZ check? So that's all I put in the A&D book. I tried to talk to this dealer to understand his reasoning but he acted like an ass. Not required to, and most distributors do not do. Just put his name & address down. BTW, you can download the entire FFL/DB from atf and get their full FFL info if you really want it. |
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While not required, including my FFL in the box with the firearm is common courtesy. It makes it easy for the receiving dealer to log in who shipped the gun and doesn't make him do detective work to find out who the heck shipped the gun.
It doesn't seem to be too much hassle for Bud's, and certainly is not for me. |
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So he requested a copy of your FFL, but won't give you the courtesy of his copy? I'd refuse to accept it just on principal....But that's just MHO and MY way of dealing with jackasses.
Just put down the address that is on the box, if there is no legible name and address, mark it return to sender if they want to play games. |
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So he requested a copy of your FFL, but won't give you the courtesy of his copy? I'd refuse to accept it just on principal....But that's just MHO and MY way of dealing with jackasses. Just put down the address that is on the box, if there is no legible name and address, mark it return to sender if they want to play games. I've been tempted to do this on several occassions. I didn't because my customer would be the one suffering. I accept shipments from nonlicensees. In the last year, I've only had about four or five that forgot to put a copy of their DL in the box. One email saying "no transfer to buyer until I get a copy of your DL" and all five had me a scan of their DL by the next day. One seller, a nonlicensee demanded a "signed in blue, green or red ink copy of your FFL". This is after I had emailed him a copy of my license. He was a real asshole. When I told him an emailed or faxed FFL is every bit as valid as a "signed in ink" FFL, he called me a liar. I pointed out that it says so right on the FFL itself and that only dealers are required to have a copy of the FFL before shipping. . He still wouldn't give- saying "I've done 600+ transactions on GunBroker and I know what is required!". Really? I'll be happy to call ATF and let them clarify the requirements for a nonlicensee, I'll bet the ATF would be real interested in someone trying to act like a dealer. He shut up and shipped the gun. 
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Yeah everyone is different. I'll accept a package from a non-licensee without even blinking, but it's when people (usually dealers) start making my life difficult is when the ole blood pressure starts to rise, especially at the unbearably low profit-margin I have. To me it's never been an issue, when I ship a gun, I need a copy of the receivers FFL, email, fax, postal or however and in return, I throw a copy of my FFL in the box when it ships, it's common courtesy.
Am I worried that someone will use my FFL to fraudulently purchase guns? Absolutely not and I don't lose any sleep over it. Some people do...
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One seller, a nonlicensee demanded a "signed in blue, green or red ink copy of your FFL". This is after I had emailed him a copy of my license. He was a real asshole. When I told him an emailed or faxed FFL is every bit as valid as a "signed in ink" FFL, he called me a liar. I pointed out that it says so right on the FFL itself and that only dealers are required to have a copy of the FFL before shipping. The seller probably thought the info on gunbroker is correct: http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.aspx?faqid=1118 - see the third paragraph of Shipment by Unlicensed Persons. There aren't a whole lot of FFL's willing to give a copy of their license to a non-licensee. |
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While we have always accepted firearms from individuals in the past(and from what we have been told one of the very few if not the only one in the area to do so), and are considering refusing to take them from individuals. We have NEVER had a problem with a dealer shipment and probibally 99 percent include their license in the box, if not it is logged of the address.
Individuals have been a pain at times. Not wanting to send a drivers licens with the gun even after being told that is a requirement for transfer. We have had them demand FFL copies even though they are not entitled to them. We have sent them info showing they dont need them. telling them how to verify the address via the EZ check. We havent had this problem till probibally the last 2-3 years but it is getting to be a bigger and bigger problem to the point that as much as we hate to do it, jumping on the dealer only bandwaggon is looking more and more appealing. |
I had one non-lic give me a lot of crap about knowing the law, and that he is not required to have an FFL and blah,blah,blah because I told him that I needed a copy of his driver lic included with the shipment and he didn't. I told him you are right you don't have to have an FFL, but you do have to send it to one, and that's me, and my rules are I need an ID. When he refused, I told him that I wasn't doing the transfer, and I was contacting ATF because he was affecting the ability to trace the gun (I was bluffing  , I would of just held it or shipped it back to his FFL) his tune changed quickly. Mind you, this is after I sent him my FFL! Know it alls 
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This is the main problem. People use GunBroker's guide as law. GunBroker's advice to Non-Licensees: Both are falsehoods. The first is an outright lie. The second, although it is not required, I can see why one would want to follow it.Before you ship a gun, the buyer must fax or mail you a copy of the dealer's signed FFL license. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it. |
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