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Lots of schools of thought on that. My decision was personal, as I grew up with the mystic' of of the unobtainable AUG with the classic profile, and that's what I always wanted. So when the M1 with integrated optic because available, that's what I got. From a usage standpoint, 3X is the more general. 1.5X is better for the <25 yard engagements, but a little less effective for field distance target identification and precision. A flat-top and variable scope would allow you to have the best of both worlds, so a lot of people like that. It looks to me though that putting a laser on a 3X one, allows both excellent CQB abilities (better even than a red-dot, in some ways), while still allowing servicable distance shooting. I regularly shoot mine out to 500+ yards at open-field 3-gun competition, and 3X optics is plenty good for that. 1.5X maybe not. If I had to do it over again, I'd do exactly this again: 18" BBL with 3X integrated scope, and a laser on the side-mount. I personally like the fixed 3X optics because it's a compact scope that's more securely mounted than any system which will involving adding rings with screws that hold them to the scope, and more screws that hold that to the mount. All is just more stuff that can go wrong, and adds weight/bulk. Decisions aren't perminant, but changing your mind is fairly expensive. It's Steyr, so none of this stuff is cheap. That's really my biggest dissapointment with the quick-change barrel system. It SOUNDS really cool. But each barrel costs as much as a complete M4. So.. you basically end up not doing it. (still handy for cleaning and such). View Quote I just went through this same decision process, and picked my first AUG up yesterday :) I decided to go with the integrated 3x optic. Main reason being if I ever wanted it in the future, it was much cheaper to buy the optic as part of the original AUG package now, then the cost appears to be to buy the 3x (or 1.5) optic separately in the future. On that note i'm now prepping to send my optic back to steyr as the crosshairs are just slightly canted... boo... but steyr has been extremely responsive in getting back to me to get it fixed up, so I'm very happy with the customer service response so far. |
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I just went through this same decision process, and picked my first AUG up yesterday :) I decided to go with the integrated 3x optic. Main reason being if I ever wanted it in the future, it was much cheaper to buy the optic as part of the original AUG package now, then the cost appears to be to buy the 3x (or 1.5) optic separately in the future. On that note i'm now prepping to send my optic back to steyr as the crosshairs are just slightly canted... boo... but steyr has been extremely responsive in getting back to me to get it fixed up, so I'm very happy with the customer service response so far. View Quote You've got to be kidding me. They were dogged by that about 2 years or so ago, where they had an employee who's job was that part, half assing it. They took care of everyone affected, but I can't believe they let that happen again. Damn, sloppy. But don't sweat it, I'm sure Hubert will take care of you (love talking to that guy). |
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03/14/2017. Update. Fired 105 rounds. No failures.
Gun not yet cleaned. Cheap 40 gr ball ammo in an action shooting match. The AUG is a good gun, and performed well. No cleaning. Total round count: 3001 |
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Pics of the bolt at the 3000 rd count would be interesting to see how clean or dirty it is. Thanks for the update.
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And here's the muzzle, a couple different shots. http://s9.tinypic.com/23ldt10_th.jpg http://s9.tinypic.com/ztjktk_th.jpg http://s9.tinypic.com/2uejuyc_th.jpg I'm not too thrilled about the muzzle - that's not a sharp and clean end there. I've noticed my AUG seemed to stop being a 1.5 MOA gun, and opened up to a 2+MOA gun. I suspect I just found out why. Not sure why it's this beat up - I wouldn't think it would look like this in 3000 rounds. I have a soft SS National Match barrel AR with a higher round count, that has a way better looking muzzle than this does. I may do a recrown on the barrel, and see what happens. The marketing hype of the CHF BBL and my own reality, don't appear to be lining up all that great to me. Total Round Count: 3001 View Quote |
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7/29/2017 Update - Fired 130 rounds of light reloads at a carbine match using 30 and 42 round mags. No failures of any kind. Gun shot good.
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Interesting to see that failure. I assume the bottom ears of the "bolt control" cam broke, and the top side was undamaged, which is why the gun continued to function by manipulating the bolt sleeve.
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Interesting to see that failure. I assume the bottom ears of the "bolt control" cam broke, and the top side was undamaged, which is why the gun continued to function by manipulating the bolt sleeve. View Quote That's good. Because I shudder to think what would happen if that cam-pin fell out completely. |
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So far so good with my call to Steyr. Herbert (With the thick Austrian accent, which just makes it all the more bad-ass) said that shouldn't have happened, but no problem, they have those parts. They can send me the pin, or I can just send it back. Since I wanted him to check a few other things, I'm just going to send him the whole gun. No problem, send the serial number (and a photo of the broken part), and he'll send me a shipping label.
Pretty decent customer service so far, I'd say. |
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I would have sent it back too. That barrel wear and cam pin failure is unacceptable at 3k. Makes one wonder if these US made guns are up to the same standard as the prebans.
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So far so good with my call to Steyr. Herbert (With the thick Austrian accent, which just makes it all the more bad-ass) said that shouldn't have happened, but no problem, they have those parts. They can send me the pin, or I can just send it back. Since I wanted him to check a few other things, I'm just going to send him the whole gun. No problem, send the serial number (and a photo of the broken part), and he'll send me a shipping label. Pretty decent customer service so far, I'd say. View Quote Mine is 10USA, I think my roomie's is, too. Just curious in case we all need a data point later. I only have about 500 rounds down range right now and everything is golden....but that's a mere 500 rounds...which in nothing in the scheme of things. |
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Hey, Lazy, what's your SN prefix, if you don't mind? Mine is 10USA, I think my roomie's is, too. Just curious in case we all need a data point later. I only have about 500 rounds down range right now and everything is golden....but that's a mere 500 rounds...which in nothing in the scheme of things. View Quote My UPS label showed up in the mail, so I guess that's covered. I'm sending it back with a note requesting attention to the following: 1) Fix the control Pin 2) Inspect the headspace (since I can't get mine to pass 5.56 NoGo gage, much less 223 gages) 3) Inspect the barrel wear (since micrographs suggest the chrome plating isn't aging well - with crown erosion and some leade erosion potentially) [To be honest, I'm 0 for 2 with the much venerated FN barrels. This one's chrome isn't holding up as well as I'd like, and my PSA FN barrel I just got that was supposed the be Chrome Lined - isn't] 4) Inspect the charging handle (since the plastic got chewed up pretty good by the engagement shelf - which is sharp as hell (before I whacked it with a punch on the corner to dull it)) Wish me luck - love this little rifle. If they only fix the Control Pin, then I guess that's that. So far, I'm not too judgmental; shit happens - the test will be seeing how they follow-up, which so far seems OK. They appear to be on top of it, fixing the broken part. As to the barrel, it seems like Steyr runs a loose-assed headspace by design, as that generally is more reliable (particularly for full auto). It's just reloaders and precision shooting reloaders that don't like it. As to the chrome - maybe that's normal, I really don't know. None of my other guns look like that though. As to the charging handle, that's partly my fault, since I was super-cool Die-Hard slapping it at first (because I mean come-on, how can you not!??), before I realized that sharp assed point on the shelf is going to cut the crap out of the soft plastic doing that. In the meantime, my RatWox spare AR15 parts based bolt showed up (with it's own Control Pin). |
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Thank you for the data point.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that they get everything back on track. I have enjoyed this thread and it's given me a lot of ideas on what to look out for on my lil' "Auggie Bin Doggie". |
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Yeah, thanks for the update.
I really interested in how they handle the barrel. That's not good at all (I think) for the amount of rounds |
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I'm no expert but rifling erosion after 3k rounds is disappointing to hear.
I know this is apples and oranges but I've seen plenty of ss match grade AR barrels cheaper than AUG barrels. I personally think the barrel running at 450 with this sort of performance is just... not cool. I guess my expectation is a little too high of them. A new 20 inch barrel is coming to my door, hopefully soon. I'm slapping on a 17x optic to see reveal the accuracy of US made Steyr AUG barrels. For disappointment's sake, I will keep my expectation fairly low |
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I'm thinking about picking up my first AUG but this thread gives me pause...
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I'm thinking about picking up my first AUG but this thread gives me pause... View Quote |
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Just curious, have you got the barrel hot and/or been using really hot ammo? One of the pics looks like high temp damage and the things that look like cracks are gas erosion. Not sure about the crown if it hasn't been hit with something. Steyr will probably replace it but I'm curious as to what they have to say. Hopefully it isn't a bad batch of 18" barrels.
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Just curious, have you got the barrel hot and/or been using really hot ammo? One of the pics looks like high temp damage and the things that look like cracks are gas erosion. Not sure about the crown if it hasn't been hit with something. Steyr will probably replace it but I'm curious as to what they have to say. Hopefully it isn't a bad batch of 18" barrels. View Quote I got a voicemail. they replaced the control pin for me, and checked the headspace. Didn't say if it actually passed, but I guess so, since the message said they are next going to take it to the range this or next week to check the accuracy. |
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No. I got a voicemail. they replaced the control pin for me, and checked the headspace. Didn't say if it actually passed, but I guess so, since the message said they are next going to take it to the range this or next week to check the accuracy. View Quote |
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interested to see what they say. these barrels are supposed to be good for 15-20K. View Quote His other failures over that time were a couple firing pins and a bolt control sleeve. AJ |
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Put an aero scope mount turned backwards on today with my 1x4 pst and it shoots around 1 inch still.
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Still at Steyr.
The pin has been replaced. They don't do micrographical analysis or assessment, but did take it to the range to accuracy test. It grouped 2 MOA. But he didn't like how the scope looked, and is going to replace that, which is causing some of the delay. |
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It has arrived. Too busy to mess with it. A new scope (that cant be cheap), and a new control pin - no charge. It came with 3 targets, and some minor SWAG. 2 3-shot groups in the ~1-1/5 MOA range, and one 5-shot group in the 2-2.5MOA range.
Eh, we'll see. BBLs are really cheap for the next 2 days. If they had a 1/7 20" - I'd be sorely tempted. Thing about the 18" is it really is the ultimate length, and there's little impetus to get a 1/9 16" or 20" - and the 24" ain't me. Ill sleep on it. |
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It has arrived. Too busy to mess with it. A new scope (that cant be cheap), and a new control pin - no charge. It came with 3 targets, and some minor SWAG. 2 3-shot groups in the ~1-1/5 MOA range, and one 5-shot group in the 2-2.5MOA range. Eh, we'll see. BBLs are really cheap for the next 2 days. If they had a 1/7 20" - I'd be sorely tempted. Thing about the 18" is it really is the ultimate length, and there's little impetus to get a 1/9 16" or 20" - and the 24" ain't me. Ill sleep on it. View Quote |
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Just curious...were the targets you received the Steyr AUG zeroing targets?
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They are glossy 1x1' bullseye concentric rings targets, Steyr logo'd. But not the offset military ones sometimes seen.
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12/03/2017 Update - Fired 24 rounds of light reloads. No failures of any kind.
First usage of the AUG after its return from repairs. No data on accuracy, we were doing speed drills at 10 yards. Also installed a green laser on it. The laser was usable during daylight hours, but I can't comment yet if it's really bright enough for general purpose daylight usage and at what distance - more tests are planned on that as well. Today's focus was on teaching an old friend gun usage using a broad spectrum, which only lightly included the AUG. Their only complaint about the AUG was the weight, otherwise it ran well. Total round count: 3155 |
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12/16/2017 Update - Fired 75 rounds of various ammunition. No failures of any kind.
First accuracy testing day with the AUG after getting it back, firing at 200 yard targets using various ammo. Wolf Gold 55gr: two 5 shot groups ~1.5 MOA @ ~3100 FPS (averaged) NORMA TAC 55gr: one 5 shot gropu: 1.2 MOA 3018 fps and a bunch of cheap reloads at 200 yard gongs (it did pretty good) Not bad actually, the gun typically is 1.5 MOA with Wolf gold, and the higher quality NORMA TAC did even better. Tried zero'ing green laser, but the battery died, so did a series of shoots with the scope, to note where they are so can just manually zero the laser at home. 10 yards: point of impact is 1.6" low 15 yds: 1.2" low 20 yds: 1.0" low So later zeroed the laser to be ~1.6" low. Note, the laser is a cheap green-pistol laser mounted on the rail above the trigger area, as that is closer to the bore axis, than the scope is. Total round count: 3230 |
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So am I interpreting your last two posts wrong or did Steyr swapping the scope and the other fix improve the accuracy again?
If so good to hear. Keep up the log it’s a good read . |
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So am I interpreting your last two posts wrong or did Steyr swapping the scope and the other fix improve the accuracy again? If so good to hear. Keep up the log it’s a good read . View Quote I'm more than a little impressed at its performance with the NORMA ammo. 1.2 MOA from a gun with 3200 rounds through it, a chrome lined bore, the loosest 5.56 chamber I've ever seen, along with a piston driven gas system, and an 8# trigger pull, ain't too bad! |
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Could you elaborate on how the scope looked?
I swear the reticle is ever so slightly rotated on ours. Awesome to hear Steyr stood behind it! |
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Correct, Steyr fixed my broken control pin. I didn't say anything to them about the scope, but while they were accuracy testing - they concluded the scope wasn't as clear as it should be. So they replaced it, rezerod it, and accuracy tested it again. I'm more than a little impressed at its performance with the NORMA ammo. 1.2 MOA from a gun with 3200 rounds through it, a chrome lined bore, the loosest 5.56 chamber I've ever seen, along with a piston driven gas system, and an 8# trigger pull, ain't too bad! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So am I interpreting your last two posts wrong or did Steyr swapping the scope and the other fix improve the accuracy again? If so good to hear. Keep up the log it’s a good read . I'm more than a little impressed at its performance with the NORMA ammo. 1.2 MOA from a gun with 3200 rounds through it, a chrome lined bore, the loosest 5.56 chamber I've ever seen, along with a piston driven gas system, and an 8# trigger pull, ain't too bad! Steyr customer service has been outstanding. I've had to use them once and I was super impressed. |
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12/27/2017 Update - Fired 111 rounds of cheap light reloads. No failures of any kind.
The only other bullpup there, a TAVOR, managed to jam (just say'n) Total round count: 3391 |
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