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Posted: 4/5/2017 9:02:56 AM EDT
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Are you saying the AUG is more or less popular than the Tavor/X95 based on this observation? |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 10:38:22 AM EDT
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In the last 30 days there has not been one single Steyr AUG sold on Gunbroker. I did not count how many Tavors/X95's have been sold in the last 30 days on Gunbroker but the number is over 100. Hopefully the .300 BLK barrel will breathe some life into sales. |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 10:49:31 AM EDT
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I need to pick up an Aug at some point..
On another note you note that a products launch has gone severely off track when the last 10-15 posts here have been about other companies products entirely and that discussion has generated more replies in 24 hours than the thread usually generates in a week. |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 11:14:50 AM EDT
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Not at all, I am saying that consumers have all but stopped buying Steyr AUG's, and IWI Tavors and X95's continue to sell in a very slow firearm market. 
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Posted: 4/5/2017 11:29:18 AM EDT
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or maybe non-dealers are holding on to their AUGs because they like them so much |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 1:09:14 PM EDT
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I need to pick up an Aug at some point.. On another note you note that a products launch has gone severely off track when the last 10-15 posts here have been about other companies products entirely and that discussion has generated more replies in 24 hours than the thread usually generates in a week. 
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Posted: 4/5/2017 2:41:50 PM EDT
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Not at all, I am saying that consumers have all but stopped buying Steyr AUG's, and IWI Tavors and X95's continue to sell in a very slow firearm market. From that data, I see similarity in the AUG's. AUG's are a lower volume iconic investment; that happens to also be a highly functional rifle. Interestingly the cost of AUG is pretty close to the cost of a TAVOR, but it's just a market-perception that the AUG is double the value. Whim-purchasers don't buy an AUG. The TAVOR is a gun that people find easy to let go, and try something else. An AUG is a life-time purchase. Of the people I know who own AUG's, none are the type who do flavor-of-the-month gun purchases (you know the type, who constantly flip to finance the next one), and none would even consider selling their AUG. So Gunbroker data has some value, and not seeing a single complete sale in a month may be notable, don't read into that quite the same as saying no-one buys an AUG or that you won't be able to sell one if you decide to let it go. Sorry to be off topic - sometimes it's good to talk about guns that actually exist though 
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Posted: 4/5/2017 3:13:50 PM EDT
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Guys, you can believe all you want, but the Tavor currently outsells the AUG at a rate of about 20:1 or more. Jadgkommando (who is directly involved in sales in the industry) and several other dealers we work with have confirmed this over and over. It isn't just the secondary market, it is the primary market- Tavors crush Augs.
...and don't get me wrong, I personally prefer the AUG over the Tavor, but I am not going to fool myself from a business standpoint into thinking that Steyr and their rifle (and their vision on how to market it, or not market it here in the U.S.) is selling anywhere near to what the Tavor and the X95 is. Ok, back to out MDR discussion! 
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Posted: 4/5/2017 7:02:24 PM EDT
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So... In a firearm saturated market.
The Aug wins in being a solid adopted weapon. Fails in marketing. = poor sales. The Tavor(both) wins in marketing, and wins in being fielded and currently seen on TV. = sells well (for a bullpup) The MDR fails in marketing, and fails at being the current issue rifle seen on tv or used by any military. = ??? what. All fail when brought up against the sales of Ar's. I like the "idea" of the MDR. but even if it comes out its dead unless they get some kind of military contract. Anyone who will pay over $700.00 for something other than an AR. will go with a Tavor. You get into the $2500 range people will get a SCAR 17. I hope it becomes more than a future Forgotten Weapons episode cause at one time I really had high hopes for it( in 2015). But I got sick of waiting and false promises. I however am on the the list for the 40th anniversary AUG. |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 7:07:06 PM EDT
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So... In a firearm saturated market. The Aug wins in being a solid adopted weapon. Fails in marketing. = poor sales. The Tavor(both) wins in marketing, and wins in being fielded and currently seen on TV. = sells well (for a bullpup) The MDR fails in marketing, and fails at being the current issue rifle seen on tv or used by any military. = ??? what. All fail when brought up against the sales of Ar's. I like the "idea" of the MDR. but even if it comes out its dead unless they get some kind of military contract. Anyone who will pay over $700.00 for something other than an AR. will go with a Tavor. You get into the $2500 range people will get a SCAR 17. I hope it becomes more than a future Forgotten Weapons episode cause at one time I really had high hopes for it( in 2015). But I got sick of waiting and false promises. I however am on the the list for the 40th anniversary AUG. Although UbiSoft has mangled The Division so badly I'm not sure that's done anything positive for marketing.
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Posted: 4/5/2017 8:15:41 PM EDT
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Not at all, I am saying that consumers have all but stopped buying Steyr AUG's, and IWI Tavors and X95's continue to sell in a very slow firearm market. ...........and I love it! Remember, guys, the AUG has been under the hammer for DECADES. First, people shied away from something so new and weird looking. Then just as it was taking off....import issues such as the stupid Bush import EO ( or was it Clinton...who knows anymore? ) then the Assault Weapons Ban...then more crap with the USR in the same vein. Then almost 20 some years later...manufacturer issues such as tooling up in America and then having Sabre get all stupid on us and go to jail ( WHY, SABRE, WHY?!?!?!?!?!??!...we loved you and your Thundercats logo! ) ...and then having to tool up again....essentially twice more!!! For the first time in it's history on these shores ( since the early 80s ) the AUG is actually getting to SHINE! I think it is going to do GREAT! Everyone that shoots my AUG loves it.....and most want one. I think you will see prices adjust and I think more and more people are going to get into the AUG. It's a fantastic gun. I hope that the MDT gets released soon and I hope it does well, too....but we will see at that price point. It's the AUG that has me looking at guns more like the MDT than the RDB or even the Tavor. As much as I like the SAR Tavor....it cannot win me over. I am willing to pay for the right gun...... I think that the MDT price might have more people consider the AUG as a very safe middle ground. It's a much better middle ground than the Tavor, IMO. |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 8:49:28 PM EDT
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Tavor may have more publicity, but the AUG is the best damn bullpup period. I'm not a bullpup guy, but if I were to get one, my first choice would be the AUG unless the MDR turns out to be amazing.
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Posted: 4/5/2017 9:18:54 PM EDT
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If the rumor about a 300 BLK AUG (or replaceable barrel) is true... I'm definitely getting an AUG.
The changeable barrel is one of the features I like about the MDR... but there's no way I'll be a Gen 1 / early adopter of a rifle that has seen no trigger time in the LE, .mil, or civilian population. They can fire as many rounds as they want through their test rifles and claim 100% reliability and 0% failures. That means nothing. There's no such thing as a production rifle that runs flawlessly forever. Otherwise none of these companies would need customer service or warrantees. |
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Posted: 4/5/2017 11:16:34 PM EDT
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Ok, back to out MDR discussion!
Sven Manticore Arms
I'll get more excited when they actually are in production for over a year, and other people, who just had to be first on their block to have one and post it on their YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Myspace accounts, be the guinea pigs and work out all the bugs. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 12:42:33 PM EDT
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Not at all, I am saying that consumers have all but stopped buying Steyr AUG's, and IWI Tavors and X95's continue to sell in a very slow firearm market. despite the vocal minority on here, consumers do not like sliding triggers on rifles, or proprietary mags, or having to buy a stock that sacrifices utility to use the mags they already own, or facing the variety of AUGS and their minor differences or inconsistencies. in my experiences behind the counter at the LGS--people like uniform, easy to accessorize bullpups. They don't like ones with weird mags, shitty triggers, and too much variety to figure out what accessories work with them. if memory serves, I saw a statistic that the Tavor sold more units it's first year or so than Steyr has sold AUGs here in the US, period. and now back to your regularly scheduled (missing) MDR
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Posted: 4/6/2017 11:02:24 PM EDT
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or maybe non-dealers are holding on to their AUGs because they like them so much Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not at all, I am saying that consumers have all but stopped buying Steyr AUG's, and IWI Tavors and X95's continue to sell in a very slow firearm market. |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 6:29:42 AM EDT
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The .300 Blackout barrel is promising, especially if it's only a matter of a barrel swap.
What would be a real savage move would be if Steyr also releases the 7.62x39 conversion: 
And then used the same bolt to make a 6.5 Grendel version. Combined with PJ's new rail, and the gear coming out from Corvus Defensio, we'd likely see a bump in interest 
What's funny about the Tavor is that I keep reading people buying them because it's a "battle hardened" platform. But it was introduced in to Israeli service in 2006, and other then the one month battle in Lebanon (where all photos I've seen show them using M16's) I'm not aware of any battles that the Tavor would have been used in. |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 11:51:30 AM EDT
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They worked some kind of deal to get the MDR featured as an amazingly good unique weapon in The Division to get some visibility to the shooter gamer crossover market. Although UbiSoft has mangled The Division so badly I'm not sure that's done anything positive for marketing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... In a firearm saturated market. The Aug wins in being a solid adopted weapon. Fails in marketing. = poor sales. The Tavor(both) wins in marketing, and wins in being fielded and currently seen on TV. = sells well (for a bullpup) The MDR fails in marketing, and fails at being the current issue rifle seen on tv or used by any military. = ??? what. All fail when brought up against the sales of Ar's. I like the "idea" of the MDR. but even if it comes out its dead unless they get some kind of military contract. Anyone who will pay over $700.00 for something other than an AR. will go with a Tavor. You get into the $2500 range people will get a SCAR 17. I hope it becomes more than a future Forgotten Weapons episode cause at one time I really had high hopes for it( in 2015). But I got sick of waiting and false promises. I however am on the the list for the 40th anniversary AUG. Although UbiSoft has mangled The Division so badly I'm not sure that's done anything positive for marketing.  .
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Posted: 4/7/2017 2:05:19 PM EDT
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The .300 Blackout barrel is promising, especially if it's only a matter of a barrel swap. What would be a real savage move would be if Steyr also releases the 7.62x39 conversion: http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/ChicasPix/Forum%20Posts/76239AUGa_zpsvdp7kdft.jpg And then used the same bolt to make a 6.5 Grendel version. Combined with PJ's new rail, and the gear coming out from Corvus Defensio, we'd likely see a bump in interest
What's funny about the Tavor is that I keep reading people buying them because it's a "battle hardened" platform. But it was introduced in to Israeli service in 2006, and other then the one month battle in Lebanon (where all photos I've seen show them using M16's) I'm not aware of any battles that the Tavor would have been used in. As to the AUG, I want that 7.62x39 conversion SO BAD. I don't care if it uses different mags. I WANT IT, I WANT IT NOW!! Would also fo on a 6.5 Grendel conversion. I'm over .300 BLK at the moment, but I'd consider it if they price it in line with their other barrels. Anyway, more non-MDR talk.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 2:17:47 PM EDT
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I think that's because we've exhausted all the MDR talk... and you guys are making me want an AUG, stop it!
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Posted: 4/7/2017 3:59:36 PM EDT
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I think that's because we've exhausted all the MDR talk... and you guys are making me want an AUG, stop it! Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 4:48:33 PM EDT
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A Tavor was featured a few episodes ago on 24: Legacy
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Posted: 4/7/2017 7:47:32 PM EDT
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Does the MDR have the same height over bore as the AR15 in the context of optic mount heights?
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Posted: 4/7/2017 8:38:58 PM EDT
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What's funny about the Tavor is that I keep reading people buying them because it's a "battle hardened" platform. But it was introduced in to Israeli service in 2006, and other then the one month battle in Lebanon (where all photos I've seen show them using M16's) I'm not aware of any battles that the Tavor would have been used in. As someone else said, IWI hit the marketing ball out of the park. |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 11:20:08 PM EDT
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I think that's because we've exhausted all the MDR talk... and you guys are making me want an AUG, stop it! 
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Posted: 4/9/2017 1:08:11 PM EDT
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It was used during Operations Cast Lead and Protective Edge (both conflicts in Gaza where there was a fair bit of street fighting). However, that included, the AUG still has probably 10-15x the active combat experience than the Tavor when you add up everyone who has been using it since it was introduced and all the conflicts it's been involved in. As someone else said, IWI hit the marketing ball out of the park. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's funny about the Tavor is that I keep reading people buying them because it's a "battle hardened" platform. But it was introduced in to Israeli service in 2006, and other then the one month battle in Lebanon (where all photos I've seen show them using M16's) I'm not aware of any battles that the Tavor would have been used in. As someone else said, IWI hit the marketing ball out of the park. Honestly that is Steyr's problem as we have seen it- every time they get a military contact they completely 'forget' about the U.S. market until the contract is fulfilled. It is almost like Steyr doesn't really want to sell guns in the U.S. the way they market and sell it here, which is really disappointing, as it is a good gun. It seems like Steyr just is clueless on what makes guns sell in the U.S. One other issues as we have seen it is that Steyr has little interest in innovating. The A3 M1 was a cheap way to make the gun look 'fresh' but all if really did is kill cross compatibility between two types of receivers. They did that because it didn't cost them anything- the receiver blanks already had the front nubbin on them so they just stopped machining it off, and *poof* "ooh, new model!" when it adds no practical value to the gun. Or just squirt mold white stocks last year, or some orange ones this year. It is the lazy business way of keeping your product 'current' They don't seem to want to do things that would cost any money but add value to the product- say, add a bolt hold open and a left side ejection port to the NATO stock and push the Nato stocked guns, which always would sell better here in the AR-15 centric U.S. market. Anyhow, my two cents on why Steyr is behind the power curve. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 4/9/2017 1:23:48 PM EDT
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IWI does marketing, period, and actually views the U.S. consumers as a primary market, not a market to sell production when they don't have a big military contract to fulfill. IWI is also extremely supportive of the aftermarket, i.e. they understand the American marketplace. Honestly that is Steyr's problem as we have seen it- every time they get a military contact they completely 'forget' about the U.S. market until the contract is fulfilled. It is almost like Steyr doesn't really want to sell guns in the U.S. the way they market and sell it here, which is really disappointing, as it is a good gun. It seems like Steyr just is clueless on what makes guns sell in the U.S. One other issues as we have seen it is that Steyr has little interest in innovating. The A3 M1 was a cheap way to make the gun look 'fresh' but all if really did is kill cross compatibility between two types of receivers. They did that because it didn't cost them anything- the receiver blanks already had the front nubbin on them so they just stopped machining it off, and *poof* "ooh, new model!" when it adds no practical value to the gun. Or just squirt mold white stocks last year, or some orange ones this year. It is the lazy business way of keeping your product 'current' They don't seem to want to do things that would cost any money but add value to the product- say, add a bolt hold open and a left side ejection port to the NATO stock and push the Nato stocked guns, which always would sell better here in the AR-15 centric U.S. market. Anyhow, my two cents on why Steyr is behind the power curve. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 4/9/2017 10:25:42 PM EDT
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An AUG is a life-time purchase. Of the people I know who own AUG's, none are the type who do flavor-of-the-month gun purchases (you know the type, who constantly flip to finance the next one), and none would even consider selling their AUG. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 6:26:41 PM EDT
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There are times I do sell a gun to fund another one, but I would never do that with the AUG. So far its the only gun that fit me just right. I can't even imagine trying to find a bullpup that does better than the AUG for me. Or any gun to be honest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An AUG is a life-time purchase. Of the people I know who own AUG's, none are the type who do flavor-of-the-month gun purchases (you know the type, who constantly flip to finance the next one), and none would even consider selling their AUG. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 6:41:50 PM EDT
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If Steyr made the Aug available in .308 caliber I'd buy one and that would be all the bullpup rifles I would need. I'd have my 5.56 Nato stock Aug and one in .308 and I'd be very happy. They don't make them in .308 
and with enough $$$ left over from the MDR MSRP to buy a reasonably nice scope for it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 6:58:32 PM EDT
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Nope, but for all the years MDR has been doing the smoke and mirrors thing, I've been turning .308 ammunition into empty brass VERY happily..... https://www.blackriflellc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/RFB18BLK-1.jpg and with enough $ left over from the MDR MSRP to buy a reasonably nice scope for it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 8:16:53 PM EDT
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Nope, but for all the years MDR has been doing the smoke and mirrors thing, I've been turning .308 ammunition into empty brass VERY happily..... https://www.blackriflellc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/RFB18BLK-1.jpg and with enough $$ left over from the MDR MSRP to buy a reasonably nice scope for it. It was extremely handy and balanced well enough with a suppressor to fire one handed like a pistol. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 11:26:08 PM EDT
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well.. that's the obvious alternative. Problem with RFB being they have a reputation of poor reliability and some poor construction, and fairly tepid accuracy. Has that changed? I wouldn't brag on mine if I didn't like it - look and see how many positive Tavor posts I've made for example, vs my AUG, FS2000, and RFB.... Mine seems to run very well (unsuppressed so far, though that should finally change soon) out of the box (without gas system adjustment) with only a few malfunctions (failures to feed) experienced only by other shooters - that appear to be somewhat the equivalent of limp-wristing. Once she learned to really lean into it, my 12yo daughter *LOVED* shooting mine (albeit with the addition of a Limbsaver slip-on, which *I* appreciate as well) and it's at very least minute-of-milk-jug. Not a rifle I benchrest, so haven't honestly tried to see what mine would do with anything other than cheap ammo. Now mine *IS* a Gen2, so there is that, but I maintain the MDR will need a Gen2 also once the real world gets hold of them (if they ever do). In my experience, Kel-Tec have been awesome folks to deal with, so if I *did* have a problem, I am confident they would make it right. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 9:28:35 AM EDT
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Well, the internet tacticool boys hate on everything Kel-Tec, so no - the "reputation" hasn't changed that I know of. Oddly enough, the owners seem to fairly overwhelmingly love them.... I wouldn't brag on mine if I didn't like it - look and see how many positive Tavor posts I've made for example, vs my AUG, FS2000, and RFB.... Mine seems to run very well (unsuppressed so far, though that should finally change soon) out of the box (without gas system adjustment) with only a few malfunctions (failures to feed) experienced only by other shooters - that appear to be somewhat the equivalent of limp-wristing. Once she learned to really lean into it, my 12yo daughter *LOVED* shooting mine (albeit with the addition of a Limbsaver slip-on, which *I* appreciate as well) and it's at very least minute-of-milk-jug. Not a rifle I benchrest, so haven't honestly tried to see what mine would do with anything other than cheap ammo. Now mine *IS* a Gen2, so there is that, but I maintain the MDR will need a Gen2 also once the real world gets hold of them (if they ever do). In my experience, Kel-Tec have been awesome folks to deal with, so if I *did* have a problem, I am confident they would make it right. I pulled the XTR-14 and went back to an Eotech the other day, I've even shot it in a few 2-gun matches, just because. I've got a YHM Ti .308 suppressor, and I would use it on the RFB more, but I've got a .300blk SBR for being quiet, and I don't want to add 6" to my RFB for matches and make it longer than my SBRs
A Hogue grip sleeve (with some double sided tape underneath) made a world of difference for my big hands, and I've got some rubber traction tape to add to the forend. I've seen some fairly nice stipple jobs done to them. 
I want an MDR, and may end up with one once the hype wears off, but I don't want one that badly... |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:15:07 AM EDT
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The .300 Blackout barrel is promising, especially if it's only a matter of a barrel swap. What would be a real savage move would be if Steyr also releases the 7.62x39 conversion: http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/ChicasPix/Forum%20Posts/76239AUGa_zpsvdp7kdft.jpg And then used the same bolt to make a 6.5 Grendel version. Combined with PJ's new rail, and the gear coming out from Corvus Defensio, we'd likely see a bump in interest
What's funny about the Tavor is that I keep reading people buying them because it's a "battle hardened" platform. But it was introduced in to Israeli service in 2006, and other then the one month battle in Lebanon (where all photos I've seen show them using M16's) I'm not aware of any battles that the Tavor would have been used in. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 10:56:39 AM EDT
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No update? Meanwhile Q has started their company, designed 2 guns and half a dozen suppressors, and they're starting to move product....all in the time that the MDR will be "shipping soon"
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Posted: 4/12/2017 11:47:05 AM EDT
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No update? Meanwhile Q has started their company, designed 2 guns and half a dozen suppressors, and they're starting to move product....all in the time that the MDR will be "shipping soon" ain't that the truth What's the Firearms background of the DT guys? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:19:54 PM EDT
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What is this PJ rail for the AUG that you speak of? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:47:20 PM EDT
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No update? Meanwhile Q has started their company, designed 2 guns and half a dozen suppressors, and they're starting to move product....all in the time that the MDR will be "shipping soon" ain't that the truth What's the Firearms background of the DT guys?
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:01:12 PM EDT
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The Tavor has been deployed in combat in the Donbass. Several MVD battalions and a few airborne brigades have fielded Tavors in combat against Russia.
I have shot a number of the FORT produced Tavors including the 5.45 version. Not a huge fan of the design The AUG is better in my opinion for a number of reasons. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:07:53 PM EDT
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They have made precision bullpup bolt action rifles for years. Their first foray into idiotic hype was with those rifles when they asked to get in on a competition for pakistani sniper rifles then after they where let in made press releases along the lines of Desert Tech refuses to sell our rifles to pakistan because they are shitty allies. So while their switch from small run precision bolt actions to mass produced semi auto battle rifles have been rough they haven't faltered once at BSing and the hype train. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:56:49 PM EDT
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So lets see, I'd say the typical "lifespan window" of a shooter capable of getting a $2000 rifle, and enjoying it's usage, is somewhere around.... oh, let's call it 32 years old through 70 years old. So roughly 38 year window. (yea, some 26 year olds have enough discretionary income and motivation to do it, but not many)
Desert tech first announced this as early as January, 2014.(and maybe sooner, that's the earliest I could find in my 60 second Google search). Today we're at April 2017, so let's call that 3.25 years. So, approximately 10% of your user life-span to experience and enjoy the MDR, has gone, while awaiting this. Should you perhaps be starting this cycle well after your 32nd birthday, well.. eat fiber. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:08:58 PM EDT
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So lets see, I'd say the typical "lifespan window" of a shooter capable of getting a $2000 rifle, and enjoying it's usage, is somewhere around.... oh, let's call it 32 years old through 70 years old. So roughly 38 year window. (yea, some 26 year olds have enough discretionary income and motivation to do it, but not many) Desert tech first announced this as early as January, 2014.(and maybe sooner, that's the earliest I could find in my 60 second Google search). Today we're at April 2017, so let's call that 3.25 years. So, approximately 10% of your user life-span to experience and enjoy the MDR, has gone, while awaiting this. Should you perhaps be starting this cycle well after your 32nd birthday, well.. eat fiber.
Oh and I have IR lights on my side by side so I can drive it around at night. Rough life
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:12:29 PM EDT
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What is this PJ rail for the AUG that you speak of? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:59:57 PM EDT
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I must be ahead of the curve, I just turned 25 and I have 13 NFA items and a pvs14 with an atpial
Oh and I have IR lights on my side by side so I can drive it around at night. Rough life
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Posted: 4/12/2017 4:40:47 PM EDT
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I am not up to date on this whole AUG scene, so can you be a bit more specific, or maybe a link or two. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:14:32 PM EDT
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Since Trump got elected gun business has died, many lay offs and many more to come.
AR stripped lowers for $39 each, I can't see anyone making money at that price! Its a buyers market now and will be for the next 3 years. Guns priced $2000+ haven't sold that great in good times and now they practically don't sell at all! I imagine if the MDR comes in way over $2000 it's sales won't be that great after the initial release. Yes the Tavor probably out sells the AUG but you can buy one cheaper then what I can buy an AUG from Steyr as a distributor. Plus the AUG has been around for 40 years now. Steyr does need to completely redesign it and maybe come out with a .308 AUG
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:29:07 PM EDT
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Since Trump got elected gun business has died, many lay offs and many more to come. AR stripped lowers for $39 each, I can't see anyone making money at that price! Its a buyers market now and will be for the next 3 years. Guns priced $2000+ haven't sold that great in good times and now they practically don't sell at all! I imagine if the MDR comes in way over $2000 it's sales won't be that great after the initial release. Yes the Tavor probably out sells the AUG but you can buy one cheaper then what I can buy an AUG from Steyr as a distributor. Plus the AUG has been around for 40 years now. Steyr does need to completely redesign it and maybe come out with a .308 AUG ETA: mp5s too! Atlantic was selling the $1800 omegas like crazy and the new HK marked ones for $2800 were snatched up |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:31:26 PM EDT
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I must be ahead of the curve, I just turned 25 and I have 13 NFA items and a pvs14 with an atpial
Oh and I have IR lights on my side by side so I can drive it around at night. Rough life Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So lets see, I'd say the typical "lifespan window" of a shooter capable of getting a $2000 rifle, and enjoying it's usage, is somewhere around.... oh, let's call it 32 years old through 70 years old. So roughly 38 year window. (yea, some 26 year olds have enough discretionary income and motivation to do it, but not many) Desert tech first announced this as early as January, 2014.(and maybe sooner, that's the earliest I could find in my 60 second Google search). Today we're at April 2017, so let's call that 3.25 years. So, approximately 10% of your user life-span to experience and enjoy the MDR, has gone, while awaiting this. Should you perhaps be starting this cycle well after your 32nd birthday, well.. eat fiber.
Oh and I have IR lights on my side by side so I can drive it around at night. Rough life |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 9:00:41 AM EDT
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What is this PJ rail for the AUG that you speak of?
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