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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:05:27 AM EDT
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Ream the chamber on a brand new rifle that is still essentially in testing phase? I would think that's the manufacturer's responsibility, not the owner/tester.
Personally, it think it sounds more like a timing issue, than a chamber issue. Although, I say that without having touched one, or even seen one in person. I mean, we could just as well be debating whether a sasquatch howls or grunts. There's probably a bit of each involved, but none of us are the ones who need to be figuring it out. EDIT: Maybe confusing wording, since the "testers" are actually owners, of what is supposed to be a finished product. If they truly were "testers", then diagnosing problems, and even coming up with solutions would be their responsibility. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:15:17 PM EDT
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I keep mentally coming back to the CEO's quote in one of their "sorry but it's delayed again" videos referring to the MDR being that "100% rifle everyone wants it to be" or something to that effect. So far, that could not be further from the truth.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:54:31 PM EDT
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But at least they didnt do what Keltec does and release a gun before its 100% ready.
That is why I am happy to stand by DT, because I know they wont release it until its perfect. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:58:58 PM EDT
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But at least they didnt do what Keltec does and release a gun before its 100% ready. That is why I am happy to stand by DT, because I know they wont release it until its perfect. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 12:26:44 AM EDT
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But at least they didnt do what Keltec does and release a gun before its 100% ready. That is why I am happy to stand by DT, because I know they wont release it until its perfect. ETA: I don’t actually think KT makes low quality rifles, the only one I’ve ever owned works fine. Which, if anything, makes the comparison that much more ironic. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 4:01:23 AM EDT
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Two more weeks, they've been on vacation.
They did send these great moments from their production team and secretarial staff.  Craziest Football Fumbles of all Time I'm sorry, but this is what I think about when I read this thread. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 4:21:07 PM EDT
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Sorry to revive this thread, but I actually saw an MDR on a shelf at my lgs. I was surprised they made enough to sell.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:13:36 PM EDT
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Sorry to revive this thread, but I actually saw an MDR on a shelf at my lgs. I was surprised they made enough to sell. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 12:31:57 AM EDT
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If you are in NE florida i saw and handled the same one.... was kinda meh but i'm still in the group buy Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry to revive this thread, but I actually saw an MDR on a shelf at my lgs. I was surprised they made enough to sell. |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 11:41:49 AM EDT
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After over two years I've reached the point where I no longer want an MDR. I just sent in my cancellation for a Bullpup Forum group buy. Between the long delay and lingering issues it is time for me to move on. Good luck to the customers who have or are still planning to get one of these.
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Posted: 5/7/2018 9:16:05 PM EDT
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I was told I would be getting mine in April...after other delays, it's now May...i'll be cancelling my preorder tomorrow.
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Posted: 5/7/2018 9:48:01 PM EDT
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After over two years I've reached the point where I no longer want an MDR. I just sent in my cancellation for a Bullpup Forum group buy. Between the long delay and lingering issues it is time for me to move on. Good luck to the customers who have or are still planning to get one of these. I tried to cancel my order in January, but did not receive any response from SGT P when I emailed him. What do I have to do to get my grand back from the Bullpup forum group buy? |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 10:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how there are reports of people finding them at local gunstores..... thats great....just great DT....send em out to gunstores so they can sit on the rack, while your pre-order customer base for over two years gets a bowl of dick. I tried to cancel my order in January, but did not receive any response from SGT P when I emailed him. What do I have to do to get my grand back from the Bullpup forum group buy? This is his store: http://www.bullpuparmory.com/?Click=5146 His number is at the bottom, right hand side. |
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Posted: 5/7/2018 11:33:24 PM EDT
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Well I got one about a week ago with no major issues so far. It’s a bit heavier then competition but so far no issues. Anyone in AZ wants to try one let me know on a pm. Should be back to Ben this Friday for some more trigger time.
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Posted: 5/8/2018 12:45:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how there are reports of people finding them at local gunstores..... thats great....just great DT....send em out to gunstores so they can sit on the rack, while your pre-order customer base for over two years gets a bowl of dick. I tried to cancel my order in January, but did not receive any response from SGT P when I emailed him. What do I have to do to get my grand back from the Bullpup forum group buy? |
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Posted: 5/8/2018 7:52:45 AM EDT
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You do realize that they're filling backorders, and that includes those from gunshops? I picked up my second MDR because someone cancelled and a local shop had it. This isn't a conspiracy to screw you (or anyone else) over. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I love how there are reports of people finding them at local gunstores..... thats great....just great DT....send em out to gunstores so they can sit on the rack, while your pre-order customer base for over two years gets a bowl of dick. I tried to cancel my order in January, but did not receive any response from SGT P when I emailed him. What do I have to do to get my grand back from the Bullpup forum group buy? |
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Posted: 5/8/2018 8:06:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that they're filling backorders, and that includes those from gunshops? I picked up my second MDR because someone cancelled and a local shop had it. This isn't a conspiracy to screw you (or anyone else) over. |
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Posted: 5/8/2018 8:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course it isn't a conspiracy, that would take planning and organization which DT has neither of. |
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Posted: 5/8/2018 9:00:50 PM EDT
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Oh, ha ha ha. Don't quit your day job, these jokes were old and stale eighteen months ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Of course it isn't a conspiracy, that would take planning and organization which DT has neither of. 
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Posted: 5/8/2018 10:44:09 PM EDT
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Oh, ha ha ha. Don't quit your day job, these jokes were old and stale eighteen months ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Of course it isn't a conspiracy, that would take planning and organization which DT has neither of. |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 2:12:25 AM EDT
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Oh, ha ha ha. Don't quit your day job, these jokes were old and stale eighteen months ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Of course it isn't a conspiracy, that would take planning and organization which DT has neither of. |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 10:03:49 AM EDT
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I love how there are reports of people finding them at local gunstores..... thats great....just great DT....send em out to gunstores so they can sit on the rack, while your pre-order customer base for over two years gets a bowl of dick. I tried to cancel my order in January, but did not receive any response from SGT P when I emailed him. What do I have to do to get my grand back from the Bullpup forum group buy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After over two years I've reached the point where I no longer want an MDR. I just sent in my cancellation for a Bullpup Forum group buy. Between the long delay and lingering issues it is time for me to move on. Good luck to the customers who have or are still planning to get one of these. I tried to cancel my order in January, but did not receive any response from SGT P when I emailed him. What do I have to do to get my grand back from the Bullpup forum group buy? |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 4:05:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What joke? History over the last couple of years has proven that @Aussie_E is dead-on. |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 9:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, ha ha ha. Don't quit your day job, these jokes were old and stale eighteen months ago. |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 11:02:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can you still be defending DT? At the very best, they are incompetent. Unfortunately, it is more likely they are liars and con artists. Nothing has been truthful. The weight issue, constant QC issues, timeline is constantly change, and they have been caught being less than honest more than a few times. I am still in the group buy, but only because I'm too busy to try to call Sgt. P and get my money back. This whole thing is a debacle and I question why anyone would try to defend any of their actions. |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 2:24:46 PM EDT
[#26]
What's the latest news on this thing guys? Did they have a miraculous turnaround after I cancelled my order back in Dec?
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Posted: 5/10/2018 3:41:11 PM EDT
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What's the latest news on this thing guys? Did they have a miraculous turnaround after I cancelled my order back in Dec? |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 5:46:46 PM EDT
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I received mine at the beginning of the month. I will be honest I sent the rifle back to DT before ever firing a round. The good side was when they received the rifle it was only there for two days and sent back. I had a quick range session with it and put 60 rounds down range with no issues. Only time will tell if mine starts to act up or not. If you dive deep enough into the rifle you can tell there are areas they screwed up on and had to go back re-evaluate. The gas Valve is a good example. Drilled to big of holes in it and put a sleeve in it with smaller holes to fix the issue. In my personal option of the rifle it is pleasant to shoot, not much recoil and fun for a .308. Not sure where other people find that its beating the hell out of them. Seems most people like to compare the recoil of this rifle with the SCAR17, I never shot one so i am not sure how it really compares. But at the same time the Scar17 ships with a muzzle brake standard. I don't think I would trust my life with this rifle yet, but I would still take it out hunting
Jesse. |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 6:09:46 PM EDT
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How can you still be defending DT? At the very best, they are incompetent. Unfortunately, it is more likely they are liars and con artists. Nothing has been truthful. The weight issue, constant QC issues, timeline is constantly change, and they have been caught being less than honest more than a few times. I am still in the group buy, but only because I'm too busy to try to call Sgt. P and get my money back. This whole thing is a debacle and I question why anyone would try to defend any of their actions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Oh, ha ha ha. Don't quit your day job, these jokes were old and stale eighteen months ago. |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 8:05:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not defending them...just commenting on "jokes" that have lost their humor and moved into the realm of annoying, especially when it's the same person beating the dead horse. DT has issues, I've never said they were perfect. What I have tried to do is look at it and try to figure out why rather than jumping to some knee-jerk emotional reaction that I'd expect from a child. 
I am becoming annoyed with the lack of reviews. |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 9:12:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of moving into the realm of annoying
I am becoming annoyed with the lack of reviews. |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 9:58:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of moving into the realm of annoying
I am becoming annoyed with the lack of reviews. |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 9:55:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not defending them...just commenting on "jokes" that have lost their humor and moved into the realm of annoying, especially when it's the same person beating the dead horse. DT has issues, I've never said they were perfect. What I have tried to do is look at it and try to figure out why rather than jumping to some knee-jerk emotional reaction that I'd expect from a child. Emotional reaction, kettle meet pot. |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 9:57:18 PM EDT
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What's the latest news on this thing guys? Did they have a miraculous turnaround after I cancelled my order back in Dec? http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=13025.40 |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 10:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying the MDR is dead? I am sooooooo confused, the DT white knigt thinks it's a dead horse. Emotional reaction, kettle meet pot. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:34:37 AM EDT
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Are you saying the MDR is dead? I am sooooooo confused, the DT white knight thinks it's a dead horse. Emotional reaction, kettle meet pot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm not defending them...just commenting on "jokes" that have lost their humor and moved into the realm of annoying, especially when it's the same person beating the dead horse. DT has issues, I've never said they were perfect. What I have tried to do is look at it and try to figure out why rather than jumping to some knee-jerk emotional reaction that I'd expect from a child. Emotional reaction, kettle meet pot. No need to contact me, again, via PM. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 2:13:18 PM EDT
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New person with some new comments on Bullpup Forums this morning after finally receiving their MDR, no need to go over there and read them unless you're wanting to be a white knight and defend the indefensible. I'm beginning to think MDR stands for Mine Don't Run.
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:31:48 PM EDT
[#38]
I posted on BP forum this morning. TLDR: 5 rounds is all it could manage, and only 1 of those was without problems. Ripping rims off cases and getting stuck in the barrel.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 7:41:49 AM EDT
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At this point, I would have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone who has connection to the internet and hasn't cancelled their pre-order. I was so flipping excited about the potential of this gun a couple years ago, really sad to see what this has devolved into. This is going to be a tough one for that company to bounce back from. Glad I got my money back when I did.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 11:51:49 AM EDT
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I get why people still want it heck I fight off the urge everyday to roll the dice on a gunbroker purchase but it just isnt an intelligent decision based off the current reports.
I dont care how you slice it, or what your bias is, if a gun doesnt run it is not worth buying, sorry. What is most annoying about this to me is the break-in-period excuse bullshit. The saga of the MDR is a spin zone. However, once the Tavor 7 is released there will be no hope for me to become a DT customer anymore because my money will be sunk into IWI. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 9:27:12 PM EDT
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Wow I've been out for a while and jumped on bullpupforum...holy crap the MDR is STILL failing. Glad I opted out and got my money back. It's sad, I really liked that gun and still wish it the best. Maybe DT will get it right in two more weeks-I mean months-shoot I meant years.
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Posted: 5/16/2018 4:00:20 AM EDT
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Looks like rsr ( a major firearm wholesaler for dealers only) is picking up deserttech and are listing the mdr. They are listing 556 models too.
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Posted: 5/16/2018 4:01:42 AM EDT
[#43]
Looks like rsr ( a major firearm wholesaler for dealers only) is picking up desert tech and are listing the mdr. They are listing 556 models too.
Here's the link https://rsrgroup.com/search?Category=all&Keywords=Mdr&action=Search |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 4:32:22 AM EDT
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This thread just keeps reminding me why I don't ask my precision bolt action gunsmith to build me an AR. He builds rifles that have won more than a few competitions, but bolt gun people should stick to bolt guns. I have shot a DT bolt gun. I was amazed by it, and the trigger made me stop believing every myth I had heard about how bullpup triggers just had to be bad.
Now they make an autoloader, and I really had high hopes for this thing. Murphy's Law has grabbed them by the semi-auto nutz. The trigger sucks. The action is unreliable. The accuracy, while more than adequate for a "battle" rifle, is not what I would have expected from a manufacturer with their previous reputation. For $2500, too? Just wow. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 7:23:05 PM EDT
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And now they are selling upgraded parts for it. This may be the most entertaining train wreck I have ever seen.
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Posted: 5/16/2018 7:35:26 PM EDT
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And now they are selling upgraded parts for it. This may be the most entertaining train wreck I have ever seen. 
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Posted: 5/16/2018 8:00:05 PM EDT
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There are so many user reports of the rifle either choking or violently ripping brass that they knew their gas system was fucked. So they make a 6-position gas block, but rather than roll it out on outgoing MDR’s and mail them to their beta testers, they offer it as an optional $80 upgrade lol BUT WAIT THERES MORE for a limited time it’s only $50. This dumpster fire keeps getting bigger.
One day, if DT doesn’t go bankrupt first, the MDR will be a very nifty little rifle. Until then, I’m so glad I didn’t preorder, and feel for those of you caught up in this, except for those lucky few that accidentally got one that functions. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 8:36:57 PM EDT
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This thread just keeps reminding me why I don't ask my precision bolt action gunsmith to build me an AR. He builds rifles that have won more than a few competitions, but bolt gun people should stick to bolt guns. I have shot a DT bolt gun. I was amazed by it, and the trigger made me stop believing every myth I had heard about how bullpup triggers just had to be bad. Now they make an autoloader, and I really had high hopes for this thing. Murphy's Law has grabbed them by the semi-auto nutz. The trigger sucks. The action is unreliable. The accuracy, while more than adequate for a "battle" rifle, is not what I would have expected from a manufacturer with their previous reputation. For $2500, too? Just wow. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This thread just keeps reminding me why I don't ask my precision bolt action gunsmith to build me an AR. He builds rifles that have won more than a few competitions, but bolt gun people should stick to bolt guns. I have shot a DT bolt gun. I was amazed by it, and the trigger made me stop believing every myth I had heard about how bullpup triggers just had to be bad. Now they make an autoloader, and I really had high hopes for this thing. Murphy's Law has grabbed them by the semi-auto nutz. The trigger sucks. The action is unreliable. The accuracy, while more than adequate for a "battle" rifle, is not what I would have expected from a manufacturer with their previous reputation. For $2500, too? Just wow. $2580 come June when the gas plug price goes up. Paying yet more to make your new $$$ rifle run reliably for what should have been a warranty part.. Priceless, Or maybe not - have been considering an SRS on and off for a while. Looks like it will be used if at all. Good move, DT. |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 12:47:47 AM EDT
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This screams of financial desperation from DT.
Charging for a part to replace a Mickey Moused fix (sleeve) on guns shipped so far? Trying to stay solvent at $50/$80 a pop. Sad, just sad. 
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