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Posted: 7/30/2012 3:23:00 PM EDT
| What does the hive think of the PS90? I put a few rounds down range with one this weekend and thought it shoot well and would match up with my other bullpups a FS2000 and Msar. If not the PS90 what other bullpup should I be looking at? |
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I have one, and love it. It's light, compact, easy to maneuver. Low recoil, very easy to disassemble. It's an ingenious, fully ambidextrous, beautiful design. It's my favorite gun.
The 50 round mags take some getting used to as far as loading, but once you get the hang of it, the rounds go in easy. Just don't slam the mags in, as I've seen some do on numerous YouTube videos. I also have an MSAR and I'd pick the PS90 over it any day. And in before the "5.7 doesn't have the stopping power of a 5.56" crowd. |
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I think I'd have one if they were around $800, but not at $1450 or so. They are that price at Copes. But only if you are in LE/MIL/etc. If FN would sell them for $800, they would be flying off the shelves. One day I would like to buy a green ps90, but not at today's $1400 price. I actually have two FN mags that I "panic bought" back in '08/'09. They cost me $75 each 
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Just going to be a range toy. Seamed like it would be a blast to shoot. It is. If I had to sell all of my guns, this would be the last one I'd part with. Also, if you're introducing a lady friend (or daughter) to firearms, this is a great gun for them to use. Very low recoil, small package. My PS90 is the only gun I've christened with a name. I named it after an ex-gf. Small, curvy, beautiful, fun to run my hands over. Just be careful not to piss her off, as she spits out balls of fire! |
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Very fun rifle, better choices for serious use. This. If you buy a ps90, I recommend you SBR it. Other bullpups you should own? I would buy an AUG A3 once they are re-released with FN cold hammer forged barrels. Fixed. 
Just isn't the same with the long barrel. One of my favorite guns to shoot. Just wish 5.7 was as cheap as .223. |
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Same here, fun gun, super compact package, perfect SBR hose. It will be one of the last guns to part with and actually an early choice for home defense. I'm a firm believer of shot placement over stopping power. I have the same response for the 5.56 vs 5.7x28 nay sayers as I do with the 45 vs 9mm, (hollow point not ball), "If it's no good will you let me shoot you with it?" So far no takers!
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Waiting for the civi rape price to get closer to the LEO blowout price. I'd jump in at a grand. You might be waiting for a very long time. They haven't come down in price since they came out, except for the special LEO price. I snagged a gently used one and managed to save a few hundred bucks, but that's the best i could do. |
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what do you need if you're mil? CAC or a letter form your unit?
also whats the effective range from a 10 an 16 inch barrel? Accuracy too? I aw thinking of SRBing one The effective range of an AR is about 450m (approx 500yards) but I have taken it out to 565 yards I can get 1.5 to 2 MOA from my CMMG GP upper and M193 ammo. and 3x mag w AP |
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The P90 and 5.7x28 were designed to be a PDW to replace a handgun.
Characteristics Caliber: 5.7x28mm SS190 Weight: 2.54 kg empty; 3 kg loaded with magazine with 50 rounds Length: 500 mm Barrel length: 263 mm Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute Magazine capacity: 50 rounds Effective range: 200 meters The FN P90 submachine gun (SMG) was developed in the late 1980s as a personal defense weapon for the troops whose primary activities does not include small arms, such as vehicle and tank crew members, artillery crews etc. Standard pistols and submachine guns chambered for pistol rounds were proved ineffective against enemy soldiers, wearing body armor; Therefore FN designers first developed a new round with enhanced penetration, initially known as SS90. To achieve necessary high penetration while keeping recoil impulse low, FN used a small-bore approach, creating a round that looked much like the scaled down 5,56NATO round. It must be noted that similar concepts were tried in other countries, most notably in USA, several decades before FN; for example, US Army tested M1 carbines chambered for .221 Johnson Spitfire round back in late 1950s; later on, Colt produced its .22 SCAMP and 5,6x30 MARS ammunition for special SCAMP machine pistol and MARS "mini assault rifle" (a scaled-down M16 rifle) respectively. It must be noted that 5,6x30 MARS round was in a sense a direct predecessor to 5,7x28 FN SS90 round, although the latter featured slightly lighter and faster bullet. By late 1980s a concept of a small-bore, low-impulse "personal defense weapon" (PDW) with good accuracy and lethality at ranges of up to 200-250 meters was well established, although there were no weapons adopted for service yet. FN decided to follow this concept and to create its own PDW using clean sheet approach. Basic ideas used for this development, designated as "Project 9.0", included the following: minimal size and weight of weapon; large magazine capacity; complete ambidexterity; ease of use and maintenance. |
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I wanted to hate it. It was OK. Then I SBR'd it.
You don't shoot it like an AR SBR, you hold it against the front of your chest, elbows down, and it's a very hand heads-up posture that is great in tight quarters. It's really a shoulder-fired handgun but with less forward extension. It wouldn't be my first choice as my only carbine and one full magazine is about $25, but it's one I would not part with easily. |
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Got one & really like it. In Michigan I can't SBR it; if I could I would but I can't so I'm stuck with a 16" bbl PS90.
I got some PW Arms 5.7x28mm 50-Round Magazines @ Cabela's last week for $9.88 ea, Great deal, if they work in a PS90. I mounted an Aimpoint PRO on it with TROS mount and it fits great. My only issue with this is ammo, hard to find and a bit expensive. My next bullpup will be a KSG... 
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@Swat_dude....could you please provide some links as to the epic fails. That would help
others who either might be on the fence, or who currently own one. I thought that I had seen most articles regarding the PS90 & 5.7, but I haven't seen anything about negative issues. |
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@Swat_dude....could you please provide some links as to the epic fails. That would help others who either might be on the fence, or who currently own one. I thought that I had seen most articles regarding the PS90 & 5.7, but I haven't seen anything about negative issues. Here is a good place to start. Doc Roberts is well respected on this forum and M4. The rifle was a blast to shoot, low recoil and very accurate. In this economy, I coudn't justify an expensive range toy though, especially since I needed to stock up on 6.8 ammo, so I sold both. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19913 |
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According to this guy, maybe not all of the info of that "expert" is accurate: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19206107&postcount=14 Honestly, I have no idea. I sold my Five Seven but love my two PS90s. For SHTF guns, I think they make good, low recoil, high capacity guns that are great for CQC. Are there better guns? Probably. But I like the PS90 a lot. |
| It was a fun gun to shoot and hey, it looks cool too. For me though in this tight economy, I couldn't justify keeping it. I replaced it with a 6.8 XCR Pistol with excellent AR15Performance muzzle brake that makes the recoil and muzzle rise non-existent. I have no doubt the 6.8 round will do what it needs to do if ever called upon for Home Defense. I just didn't have the same confidence in the 5.7, especially with the factory rounds. The EA stuff made me feel a little better until it started causing malfunctions. |
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Out of 180 shots fired the Kriss I used had 5 FTEs. Totally unacceptable. I have no respect for the weapon. I have heard this from more than a few people. As much as I hate to say it, the Glock 21 mag extension made by Magpul is junk. I made the mistake of buying two 30 rounders for my Glock and it was malfunction city at the range. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Out of 180 shots fired the Kriss I used had 5 FTEs. Totally unacceptable. I have no respect for the weapon. I have heard this from more than a few people. As much as I hate to say it, the Glock 21 mag extension made by Magpul is junk. I made the mistake of buying two 30 rounders for my Glock and it was malfunction city at the range. I've had a similar issue with the extended mags, on a completely different platform (JRC .45, an "AR-ish" carbine) –– zero malfs with standard factory G21 mags, frequent malfs with the extended mags. In contrast, the factory G18 mags run flawlessly in my 9mm carbines. (Way off-topic, my apologies!!!) |
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I think they are good for what they are. Short range bullpup rifles. For folks that have small wives and children, great rifle for them to shoot with. Low recoil, looks cool and no brass casings in the face. Max I got one for just that reason, my son is 11, small in stature, a lefty and loves shooting, so the PS90 as an upgrade from his 22, was the right call because of the size & cool factor. I want him to enjoy shooting and bring his friends and one day kids into the sport. While the PS90 is fun, and when setup right it's a force to be reckoned with, when used for what it was intended to be used for, I'm not sure it would be my first choice when SHTF. Also, since I don't live in Thunderdome and the chance of a hoard of Zombies invading my rural area is slim, I am content with what I can do with a PS90. Oh yeah, it kills gophers pretty well... 
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Quoted: Yup, it came with it. I took it off but do like it better on. Here in MI I can't have an SBR but would chop it in a second if I could. We did just get Suppressors approved, so I can go that route and add another 5-6" to it...  Or you could have the bbl chopped and a can permattached (for a 16.x" OAL bbl) to keep the same length/look... with the downside of it being permanently on that gun/not removeable. Just a thought, and something I personally considered for ARs back before we got our SBR/SBS laws changed (like you, we could have suppressors but not short bbls until the recent change).  |
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@Swat_dude....could you please provide some links as to the epic fails. That would help others who either might be on the fence, or who currently own one. I thought that I had seen most articles regarding the PS90 & 5.7, but I haven't seen anything about negative issues. Here is a good place to start. Doc Roberts is well respected on this forum and M4. The rifle was a blast to shoot, low recoil and very accurate. In this economy, I coudn't justify an expensive range toy though, especially since I needed to stock up on 6.8 ammo, so I sold both. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19913 Seems to me that all the failures of the 5.7 are from those who tried to use a PDW offensively. The entire PDW concept is a series of trade-offs to enable non-combat MOS troops who get ambushed the ability to throw out a lot of low recoil, flat shooting lead, that's just zippy enough to defeat common .mil body armor, or just a lot of heavy clothing, and web gear that might be in the way so that they can pin the enemy down and prevent them from advancing until the cavalry arrives. And get it all in a very ergonomic and easy to carry package that does not get in the way during their primary duty. There's always that BS gun-lore saying that mid-range Assault Rifle calibers are meant to "wound and not kill". And while that's not true for the 5.7 either, it is a compromise further along in that direction to pay for all it's other attributes, it's still definitely very lethal. Further, when you compare 5.7 against 5.56 from uber-short AR's optimized for CQB, or shortened for ease of carry, and vehicles, as a PDW, the ballistics numbers are a lot closer. All the extra energy just goes up in flash and noise. And put me in the camp of wanting a PS90 badly, just not badly enough to pay $1400 for one. There is no reason a relatively simple blowback weapon that's housed in a plastic clamshell should cost that much, other than the gottahaveititis-factor, and it's unique looks. Or perhaps FN's just milking the margin absolutely as long as possible, to have something to show for all the tooling and R&D costs, and the failed NATO adoption. Free market, so they charge what they like, and I'm free not to pay. 
I'd be in at $800 for sure. I'd even sell something else out of my collection to raise the funds. |
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Quoted: ... And put me in the camp of wanting a PS90 badly, just not badly enough to pay $1400 for one. There is no reason a relatively simple blowback weapon that's housed in a plastic clamshell should cost that much, other than the gottahaveititis-factor, and it's unique looks. Or perhaps FN's just milking the margin absolutely as long as possible, to have something to show for all the tooling and R&D costs, and the failed NATO adoption. Free market, so they charge what they like, and I'm free not to pay. I'd be in at $800 for sure... You just decribed me to a "T." I will eventually have one, but likely not a new one... at least not at the current price. Very interested in a 5.7 upper for one of my SBR'd ARs as well. Zero interest in the FiveseveN pistol until I have one or both of the above, but I'll probably bite on that one eventually, too.
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| I agree on the price, it's way over priced, but people are paying for it so there is a market for it. I bought mine used from a guy that needed $ fast so I got a good deal on it Now that ammo is a bit more difficult to get, I assume you'll be able to find selling them cheap just to get rid of them. |
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I agree on the price, it's way over priced, but people are paying for it so there is a market for it. I bought mine used from a guy that needed $ fast so I got a good deal on it Now that ammo is a bit more difficult to get, I assume you'll be able to find selling them cheap just to get rid of them. I paid $1800 for mine when they first came out and sold it for alot less used, even with the Gen I trigger pack.
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