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10/2/2010 11:18:47 AM EDT
Hey guys, I took my MSAR STG-556 out yesterday for the first time and had a ton of problems with failure to feed. Some background info:

Rifle was purchased used, previous owner claimed appr 800 rounds of worry free with brass and steel cased ammo
Ammo used was Hornady TAP practice in both 55gr and 75gr. This is steel cased stuff, in case you don't know. I did not have any brass cased stuff with me to see if that would have made a difference.
I have done a few small changes to the rifle myself - Nue trigger and Manticore charging handle.
I attempted to fire the rifle with multiple mags, tested it on both gas settings, even broke the rifle down and cleaned her in the middle - the feeding issues were the same every time.

The problem:

Every 3 or 4 shots through the rifle, the round would not be picked up properly by the bolt. The round would end up on an angle as it attempted to go into the chamber. Extraction was fine, and the bolt locked open just fine if I managed to get through the rounds in the mags.

Here are a couple pics from my phone I took at the range to hopefully better illustrate what happened:







Any suggestions, comments, etc?
10/2/2010 11:22:16 AM EDT
[#1]
Did you try ar15 mags?
10/2/2010 11:25:53 AM EDT
[#2]
Should have been specific - this is an STG-556, not an E4.
10/2/2010 12:03:25 PM EDT
[#3]
30 or 42rd mags?
10/2/2010 12:23:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
30 or 42rd mags?


30. I went through 5 different mags, same issue. I didn't try my 42rnd mags.
10/2/2010 2:33:36 PM EDT
[#5]
Make certain you are seating the magazine correctly. Push the magazine into the stock until you get that firm click feedback and then give a gentle pull down to make certain it has seated.



Make sure your stock is properly joined by seeing if it looks misalinged when looking at the join in the magazine well.



Use different ammunition with different gas settings.



If the issue continues despite your best effort to diagnosis it and remedy it then you need to contact MSAR as it may require warranty service for the rifle or the magazines.
10/5/2010 10:26:51 AM EDT
[#6]
Those suggestions are fairly basic, but I appreciate the advice. I will be testing out some brass cased ammo to see if it functions better that way, but the Hornady is good quality stuff and should function just fine.

Any other suggestions?
10/5/2010 10:40:27 AM EDT
[#7]
Hi Phillip, if you've been reading the forums, the general advice is: Clean and lube, then run the rifle on the "H" setting for the first 200 rounds until it gets broken in.  Low gas could be causing those double feeds as the rifle is not fully cycling.  Hope this helps.

Disregard.  Looks like you've tried that.
10/5/2010 12:11:08 PM EDT
[#8]
Sounds like a magazine spring and or follower problem.

Load a magazine fully and start taking them out by hand one by one and see if the problem persists.
10/5/2010 12:20:06 PM EDT
[#9]
I recently bought 6 new STG 30 round amber magazines that upon the first time being used had the exact same issue.  All of my 42 round ambers have always worked perfect.  While looking here I found several post from others that recommended that I fully load the 30 round magazines and let them sit unused for a few weeks.  I did so and guess what they all work perfect now.  It does not seem to make sense but it did work.  Try those 42 round magazines.  If they work I do sugest that you try the load and let sit around method.  It worked on mine.
10/5/2010 12:26:51 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Hey guys, I took my MSAR STG-556 out yesterday for the first time and had a ton of problems with failure to feed. Some background info:

Rifle was purchased used, previous owner claimed appr 800 rounds of worry free with brass and steel cased ammo
Ammo used was Hornady TAP practice in both 55gr and 75gr. This is steel cased stuff, in case you don't know. I did not have any brass cased stuff with me to see if that would have made a difference.
I have done a few small changes to the rifle myself - Nue trigger and Manticore charging handle.
I attempted to fire the rifle with multiple mags, tested it on both gas settings, even broke the rifle down and cleaned her in the middle - the feeding issues were the same every time.

The problem:

Every 3 or 4 shots through the rifle, the round would not be picked up properly by the bolt. The round would end up on an angle as it attempted to go into the chamber. Extraction was fine, and the bolt locked open just fine if I managed to get through the rounds in the mags.

Here are a couple pics from my phone I took at the range to hopefully better illustrate what happened:

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/phillip110/msar/IMG_20101001_180044-1.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/phillip110/msar/IMG_20101001_180044-1-1.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj61/phillip110/msar/IMG_20101001_180136-1.jpg

Any suggestions, comments, etc?



One of my STG-556 does that with .223 ammo.  Have you tried 5.56mm?  I have two STG-556's and they never jam while using 5.56mm.  Like I said, one jams with .223, but I believe it is just because it is still new.  Did you try adjust the gas regulator?  Wolf is normally a bit underpowered for the STG-556.
10/6/2010 1:43:29 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks for the advice with the mags. I've loaded them up completely and I'll wait a couple weeks to take her out again with the 30 round amber mags.
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