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9/24/2010 2:53:22 PM EDT
Why do AUG's and their clones (MSAR) have plastic trigger groups? It seems like this would make them less durable. The only reason I could see for this would be weight, however a plastic hammer and sear wouldn't save that much it would seem.

Have there ever been problems associated with this?
9/24/2010 2:56:01 PM EDT
[#1]
They've been making them out of plastic for over 30 years.  That says it all.
9/24/2010 3:11:49 PM EDT
[#2]
The plastic is not just plastic.  Its a high density polymer that is much tougher that you would think.  It's quieter and would probably out last metal of the same configuration.  The downside is, its tough to get a match grade trigger like you would have on an AR.  You'll never wear these hammer parts out.
9/24/2010 3:12:57 PM EDT
[#3]
the polymer hammer pack/ trigger group saves on weight and doesn't make it any less durable.

like Joe said, they've been that way forever. The FN P90 and F2000 also have polymer fire control groups and they run strong.
Polymer also has the advantage of being unable to rust
9/24/2010 3:14:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Plastics are the future,

Just look at all those plasticy guns we have.

The AUG has been ahead of its time for a long time.  The plastic hammer pack is GTG.  The design dates back to the mid to late seventies.  

Todays modern plastics are even better than the ones from the seventies.
9/24/2010 3:18:44 PM EDT
[#5]
And let me add these weapons are designed to be machine guns. In semi auto form I can't see wearing one out. It would be nice to see a durability test.
9/24/2010 5:48:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
And let me add these weapons are designed to be machine guns. In semi auto form I can't see wearing one out. It would be nice to see a durability test.


Send me 20,000 rounds and I'll take one for the team and run the test.
9/24/2010 5:54:26 PM EDT
[#7]
Oh you are so kind. I read somewhere that for the A3 10,000 were put through these weapons to test them.
9/24/2010 5:58:35 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Oh you are so kind. I read somewhere that for the A3 10,000 were put through these weapons to test them.


Short of outright abuse, I don't think we'll see damaged hammer packs in this lifetime.  I've got nearly 3,000 rounds through my MSAR (I know they're not exactly alike, but comparable), and the pack shows zero signs of wear.
9/24/2010 6:26:01 PM EDT
[#9]
Don't forget plastic is self-lubricating as well.

Compare to MIM metal, I'd take properly engineered polymer parts.
9/24/2010 7:40:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Why do AUG's and their clones (MSAR) have plastic trigger groups? It seems like this would make them less durable. The only reason I could see for this would be weight, however a plastic hammer and sear wouldn't save that much it would seem.

Have there ever been problems associated with this?


The AUG went into service in 1977 and has been in military and police use in probably every climate on the globe.  
9/24/2010 8:41:07 PM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:


Oh you are so kind. I read somewhere that for the A3 10,000 were put through these weapons to test them.


Hell, supposedly the full-auto AUG A3 that Ratworx had at the Bullpup shoot this weekend went 7000 rds in one day on full auto....



Thats in one day



 
9/24/2010 9:17:23 PM EDT
[#12]
I've modified two hammer packs and I can assure you that the polymer is tough. It takes almost as much work to remove material from the polymer parts as it would metal parts. The addition of a Neu-Trigger makes the most critical engagement polymer-on-stainless and should last forever.
9/24/2010 9:46:47 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Oh you are so kind. I read somewhere that for the A3 10,000 were put through these weapons to test them.

Hell, supposedly the full-auto AUG A3 that Ratworx had at the Bullpup shoot this weekend went 7000 rds in one day on full auto....

Thats in one day
 


They had pics up of the bolt and bolt carrier after those rounds.  I imagine a pic of the Hammer pack would be underwhelming.
9/25/2010 3:26:00 AM EDT
[#14]
I spoke with MSAR on what they rate their hammer packs and they tole me 15K rounds is the average.

At one point, I very much wanted one of the FS2000 rifles.  Would still love to have one.   Was gathering as much information as I could.  I read an article from a magazine about bull pup rifles and according to FN, the only part that broke during their endurance testing on the fire control group was a metal piece.
9/25/2010 5:10:58 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I read an article from a magazine about bull pup rifles and according to FN, the only part that broke during their endurance testing on the fire control group was a metal piece.


Yep, the extractor.
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