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Posted: 3/16/2010 2:49:55 PM EDT
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I would gladly kick a nun in the teeth to get one... (not really, i like nuns)
does anyone ("anyone" reads "Dave") anticipate seeing a .308 version of this weapon? Since the RFB is a virtual Ghost, and since i'm sure a sub $2000 .308 bullpup would sell like crazy, the market would surely pay for the startup cost. here's hoping! |
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I would gladly kick a nun in the teeth to get one... (not really, i like nuns) does anyone ("anyone" reads "Dave") anticipate seeing a .308 version of this weapon? Since the RFB is a virtual Ghost, and since i'm sure a sub $2000 .308 bullpup would sell like crazy, the market would surely pay for the startup cost. here's hoping! We don't even have the 6.8 SPC, 7.62x39, and 5.45 versions yet, which don't require anything more than a new bolt, barrel, and magazine. A .308 MSAR would be a completely new rifle, so I definitely doubt it. I would spend my money on a $500 6.8 conversion long before even considering another $2000 platform. |
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I would gladly kick a nun in the teeth to get one... (not really, i like nuns) does anyone ("anyone" reads "Dave") anticipate seeing a .308 version of this weapon? Since the RFB is a virtual Ghost, and since i'm sure a sub $2000 .308 bullpup would sell like crazy, the market would surely pay for the startup cost. here's hoping! We don't even have the 6.8 SPC, 7.62x39, and 5.45 versions yet, which don't require anything more than a new bolt, barrel, and magazine. A .308 MSAR would be a completely new rifle, so I definitely doubt it. I would spend my money on a $500 6.8 conversion long before even considering another $2000 platform. For the record, those 3 cartriges you mentioned only the 6.8 spc is even worth owning. NONE of them are as good as a .308 for hunting or long range tactical engagement. 6.8 is essentially a hybrid of the benefits of .308 and 5.56, and does offer a lot, but 7.62 and 5.45 offer nothing of interest... why would you expect a company to make one of those before offering .308 which is one of the most popular black rifle cartriges on the market? |
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I would gladly kick a nun in the teeth to get one... (not really, i like nuns) does anyone ("anyone" reads "Dave") anticipate seeing a .308 version of this weapon? Since the RFB is a virtual Ghost, and since i'm sure a sub $2000 .308 bullpup would sell like crazy, the market would surely pay for the startup cost. here's hoping! We don't even have the 6.8 SPC, 7.62x39, and 5.45 versions yet, which don't require anything more than a new bolt, barrel, and magazine. A .308 MSAR would be a completely new rifle, so I definitely doubt it. I would spend my money on a $500 6.8 conversion long before even considering another $2000 platform. For the record, those 3 cartriges you mentioned only the 6.8 spc is even worth owning. NONE of them are as good as a .308 for hunting or long range tactical engagement. 6.8 is essentially a hybrid of the benefits of .308 and 5.56, and does offer a lot, but 7.62 and 5.45 offer nothing of interest... why would you expect a company to make one of those before offering .308 which is one of the most popular black rifle cartriges on the market? Because they're already working on the other 3? From MSAR website: The STG-E4™ is available in .223 REM, 7.62 x 39mm, 5.45 x 39mm, and 6.8 SPC. The STG-E4™ high strength alloy receiver is standard issue with either a newly designed 9" Picatinny rail, or with an integrated, detachable raised 1.5x optic. The 16" quick detachable, chrome lined barrel, along with popular calibers makes it suitable for accurate and casual target shooting, hunting or personal defense, well beyond rifles limited to one caliber. |
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As cool as it would be, I doubt there's a market for it:
1: The AUG platform isn't a precision rifle and people (rightly or wrongly) view .308 Semi Autos as being precision tools. The amount of work required to make it (IMHO) fit that mold would be onerous. 2: Making a whole new firearm from scratch is a lot of work, and that's exactly what you'd have to do. With such a small market, I doubt they'd be willing to develop a .308 from the ground up... I mean, there's a big market for the Archangel pistol, and we haven't heard jack about that in 3 months. If MSAR were to develop such a thing, it'd be years before we'd see it. 3: It'd be expensive. Probably prohibitively so. An MSAR E4 is, what, 1500 dollars? A .308 would be easily twice that, just from parts and tooling. The STG/E4 they've already got tooling set up for everything, and a great deal of the design work was already done in the 70's... not so with a .308. (I feel like I'm repeating myself.) As compelling as it would be, I'd rather have a SCAR-H than an MSAR-H. And before anyone points to the RFB: One, they're all pretty much hand built at this point. 2: The RFB is a bullpup FAL with forward ejection. I'm not minimizing what kel-tec has done with the RFB, merely pointing out that alot of work was already there... |
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Although there may be a market, you are engineering from scratch, there are some real barriers:
You can't simply scale up an AUG, or any bullpup- there is a minimum length necessary for the receiver to fit a magazine, bolt recoil distance, etc. With conventionial rifles you can just keep 'pushing forward' if you need more space (magazine length, longer bolt stroke, etc, etc) but with a bullpup, you are lengthening the distance between the grips and the stock. Can it be done? Sure. But the proportions are not going to look like an AUG to get a 14.5" LOP, and if you keep the AUG proportions your length of pull (based on some 308 design work I have done in the past) is going to be pushing 16-17". |
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If, if we ever thought about thinking about a 308 bullpup, it would be a long time down the road. sigh... i figured it was a longshot... guess i won't be kicking any nun's anytime soon. I just wish i had more options... the RFB is a ghost, and there aren't any other .308 bullpups out there that are built to the same level of quality as an STG. I can't stand that cheap looking Ak style receiver crap... i want SOLID and modern. If you could get an RFB for a tolerable price, from a dealer i trust, i'd have one, but that's a long shot. |
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Does this not qualify as a quality .308 bullpup?
http://www.shortrifles.com/ |
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UM... i think i'm in love! that's one hell of a cool looking gun. i wonder what it would cost to build one from the ground up... any idea? |
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I would gladly kick a nun in the teeth to get one... (not really, i like nuns) does anyone ("anyone" reads "Dave") anticipate seeing a .308 version of this weapon? Since the RFB is a virtual Ghost, and since i'm sure a sub $2000 .308 bullpup would sell like crazy, the market would surely pay for the startup cost. here's hoping! We don't even have the 6.8 SPC, 7.62x39, and 5.45 versions yet, which don't require anything more than a new bolt, barrel, and magazine. A .308 MSAR would be a completely new rifle, so I definitely doubt it. I would spend my money on a $500 6.8 conversion long before even considering another $2000 platform. For the record, those 3 cartriges you mentioned only the 6.8 spc is even worth owning. NONE of them are as good as a .308 for hunting or long range tactical engagement. 6.8 is essentially a hybrid of the benefits of .308 and 5.56, and does offer a lot, but 7.62 and 5.45 offer nothing of interest... why would you expect a company to make one of those before offering .308 which is one of the most popular black rifle cartriges on the market? Because the vast majority of buyers want something they can actually afford to shoot? Maybe? Some of us can't afford .308 ammunition or have the coin for reloading equipment. |
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*consults his magic8ball 
SOCOM recently approved a contract for mass quantities of "Short Rifle" aka SRSS 1421 BULLDOG762 kits to be assembled & deployed in IRAQ... |
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SIlenttype, is that you with that bullpup 308? |
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You have a little something on your chin there . . . . |
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No, not me. Just a pic of the rifle I found. |
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I would gladly kick a nun in the teeth to get one... (not really, i like nuns) does anyone ("anyone" reads "Dave") anticipate seeing a .308 version of this weapon? Since the RFB is a virtual Ghost, and since i'm sure a sub $2000 .308 bullpup would sell like crazy, the market would surely pay for the startup cost. here's hoping! We don't even have the 6.8 SPC, 7.62x39, and 5.45 versions yet, which don't require anything more than a new bolt, barrel, and magazine. A .308 MSAR would be a completely new rifle, so I definitely doubt it. I would spend my money on a $500 6.8 conversion long before even considering another $2000 platform. For the record, those 3 cartriges you mentioned only the 6.8 spc is even worth owning. NONE of them are as good as a .308 for hunting or long range tactical engagement. 6.8 is essentially a hybrid of the benefits of .308 and 5.56, and does offer a lot, but 7.62 and 5.45 offer nothing of interest... why would you expect a company to make one of those before offering .308 which is one of the most popular black rifle cartriges on the market? 7.62x39 is a popular and effective brush cartridge, and 5.45 is dirt cheap. More people will shoot these than 308. Despite your perceptions which were formed on this website, that vast majority of 308 shooters prefer to shoot it from a bolt gun. |
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Expensive, but man it does look like it'd be great fun 
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I'll keep my Socom-16 a Socom-16 and wait for the RFB. That thing looks ugly 
Also would suck for left hand shooters |
If I could get an MSAR in .308 with a 16" barrel and a 24" hvy barrel, I wouldn't need my bolt gun. I could just throw the 2nd barrel in my pack and I'd be good to go. You listening MSAR Dave? $2500 cash sitting here waiting for an E4 in .308 or I'll trade ya my bolt gun for one.
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I would gladly kick a nun in the teeth to get one... (not really, i like nuns) does anyone ("anyone" reads "Dave") anticipate seeing a .308 version of this weapon? Since the RFB is a virtual Ghost, and since i'm sure a sub $2000 .308 bullpup would sell like crazy, the market would surely pay for the startup cost. here's hoping! I would be interested in one. +1 |
A big tease, or for real
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