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Posted: 12/19/2009 7:30:44 AM EDT
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This is aluminum while the Trigger Tamer is plastic. Both look similar but which is better and why? I've never used one of either but wouldn't mind giving one a try. TIA! |
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From what I understand, the trigger tamer does not workk 100% in all MSAR's, but the trigger lite was designed around the MSAR.
If I were to choose one, I would go with the trigger lite, the price is about the same and it allows you to choose between 4 different trigger weights. Also, the guy who developed the trigger lite is a member here and IIRC he took some user input on the design. |
| FWIW, in the manual that came with my E4 (delivered on Thursday), it says that using the Trigger Tamer (mentioned it by name) would void the warranty. That said, after dry firing the E4 I'm not sure it really needs anything done to it...though I'll have to wait until I get to the range to be sure. |
| This might be a dumb question but does anyone have a link to the geometry behind the way these products work? Looking at the way the trigger pack works, it seems to me that the easiest way to change the trigger pull would be to either reduce the distance that the sear has to travel before disengaging the hammer or to completely change the mating between the sear / hammer (not sure how you would do that). |
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You're correct! The weight of the trigger is basically down to two things, friction between the sear and the hammer and the trigger return spring (actually does a lot more than return the trigger, but that's not quite relevant here.)
The trigger tamer and trigger lite both reduce the tension on the return spring. They replace the "lock" at the end of the trigger pack. I have a trigger lite in my AXR (which uses a Steyr trigger pack) and it works great. I use the 2nd lightest setting, which gives me better reset reliability. I would have the trigger lite over the trigger tamer any day. For one, the tamer looks pretty cheap, whereas the trigger lite is a pretty neat looking piece of jet-cut aluminum. Second, you get four lightness settings with the trigger lite instead of two with the trigger tamer. They both provide a "stock" lightness setting, which you could use your original lock to achieve, so the trigger lite really gives you three times as many options. I also have a modified hammer (reduced sear engagement surface) and over-travel stop in my pack too. One day, I'll make a writeup about tuning up trigger packs. I very firmly believe that most of the terribleness of the AUG trigger isn't "just because it's a bullpup", as many want you to believe, but because it was originally designed as a select-fire trigger. It simply wasn't designed to give you a short, light trigger pull. It was designed to give you a long, heavy, two-stage pull with the second stage being full auto. Since most of us don't have FA trigger packs, we can make adjustments to overcome the poor trigger. |
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Not sure that you would want to... the cocking piece in my bolt carrier (Steyr) is made of plastic and I'm guessing it would eat away at it. The little ears that hold the hammer back after you fire and haven't let the trigger forward would probably get eaten up by the steel hammer as well.
You can really accomplish a LOT with some fine-tuning of the pieces...my trigger travel is about 2mm total. |
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Not sure that you would want to... the cocking piece in my bolt carrier (Steyr) is made of plastic and I'm guessing it would eat away at it. The little ears that hold the hammer back after you fire and haven't let the trigger forward would probably get eaten up by the steel hammer as well. You can really accomplish a LOT with some fine-tuning of the pieces...my trigger travel is about 2mm total. I guess you'd need a whole steel trigger pack where everything is metal. |
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I've yet to see pictures or details regarding the MSAR match trigger pack. To me, the best approach would be to redesign it completely for non select-fire use. There's one spring in there that controls reset, trigger weight, and the lock. Managing those separately would allow you to reduce your pull weight I think.
Dave said he had one in his STG, maybe he'll oblige us with pictures? Or maybe it's still top secret... |
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Not to hijack this tread but what do the two trigger packs look like side by side? Aug vs MSAR I mean. Please see my earlier thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=299305&page=1#bottom |
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PTFE = Polytetrafluoroethylene......also known as Teflon.
From Wikipedia: Due to its low friction, it is used for applications where sliding action of parts is needed: plain bearings, gears, slide plates, etc. In these applications it performs significantly better than nylon and acetal; it is comparable to ultra high-molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE), although UHMWPE is more resistant to wear than Teflon. For these applications, versions of Teflon with mineral oil or molybdenum disulfide embedded as additional lubricants in its matrix are being manufactured. -Jeff |
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