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Posted: 11/7/2009 4:08:51 PM EDT
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I am a long time AR shooter but I have always wanted a bull pup carbine. I have an MSAR E-4 on the way from Rat Worx; 16", OD stock with 5 MSAR E-4 magazines. I plan on mounting an Aimpoint T-1 micro w/ Larue mount on the E-4. On an AR, I have no doubt that this set up will work well. Does the same hold for the E-4?
I have plenty of P mags. I have read that they will work just fine in the E-4, but then I read about the next gen P mag and then the E mag. Do the E mags or next gen P mags work better than my windowed P mags in the E-4? Slings. What works well on the E-4? I favor single point slings for my ARs but I have experimented with the VCAS sling and I like it. What works best on the E-4? Lights. What are the options for the E-4? I have read about the rail that 2020 makes and have no problem sending my barrel in to be properly fitted. Are their other options for mounting a light on the MSAR? |
| The windowed P Mags will work great in the E4. Your E4 will run great. Run good hot 5.56 ammo through it for the first couple hundred rounds. I prefer the single point slings on everything. Use the HK or the high mount from Larue for your T1. My neck (short and stocky) likes the HK mount height the best. As for lights, there is plenty of room on the E4 side rails for lights. I just set a E4 up for my brother in law with a Streamlight TLR 2 on one of the forward stock rails and the pressure pad switch on the oppisite side forward stock rail. My own personal rifle has 2020's rail and I really like it. If you want to run a light/laser, this rail allows the laser to be on the same verticle plane as your bore. To me that is a huge plus. Enjoy your new rifle. |
| I agree totally on the placement of the laser/light. I have the TLR-2 on my Gen IV right side 6" rail. You will need to decide at what range to to have your laser dot converge with your barrel bore, due to the laser being offset from the line of the barrel. The best is in-line, like Dave is saying. I am now looking for the 12" top rail for my STG-556. The only thing that is a negative, to being mounted on the side, is the ease of thumbing on the light and laser, when mounted on the side rail....I do like that. With the TLR-2 mounted on the top, it's probably going to be more difficult. |
| I have been wanting a STG for sometime, now that the E4 model has come out, I am very close to buying one. I'm active duty military and of course only used ARs forever. Tough making the transition? Mag changes? Any issues with the supplied optics? How quick are the optics (used to aimpoints). Any and all info you can give me would be helpful, thanks in advance. |
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I have been wanting a STG for sometime, now that the E4 model has come out, I am very close to buying one. I'm active duty military and of course only used ARs forever. Tough making the transition? Mag changes? Any issues with the supplied optics? How quick are the optics (used to aimpoints). Any and all info you can give me would be helpful, thanks in advance. Transition isn't very difficult, just enough training time to make things like safety manipulation automatic. Mag changes are just a bit slower than on an AR but w/practice I feel there's no practical difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBbJhv39IUM&feature=channel_page Unless you're going for a more "authentic" AUG look I'd get the railed version w/the optic of your choice (like an Aimpoint). The factory 1.5x has limited FOV and no low-light capability. HTH, keep us posted!... Tomac |
| I just purchased an E4 with the factory supplied optics from Specialist Gun Shop, I'm going to try it out and see and if not what I'm looking for I will get a rail and add an aimpoint. I should have my head examined but I have been wanting to get this rifle sense they started making them and when the E4 come out I knew it was time to part with the money. Just need to thin out a few other firearms I have to keep HQ 6 happy, lol. |
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I too am drooling over the STG but I want to know if the magazines drop free? No, as Dave just posted. However, I feel this is an advantage as it forces you to make every mag change positive and dependable instead of counting on the mag to drop free (and if it doesn't drop free due to dirt in the magwell or reloading from an unconventional position where gravity is insufficient to overcome the mag angle?  )
Having to manually remove the mag every time gives you a single technique to practice that's good for all situations. Tomac |
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I too am drooling over the STG but I want to know if the magazines drop free? No, as Dave just posted. However, I feel this is an advantage as it forces you to make every mag change positive and dependable instead of counting on the mag to drop free (and if it doesn't drop free due to dirt in the magwell or reloading from an unconventional position where gravity is insufficient to overcome the mag angle? )
Having to manually remove the mag every time gives you a single technique to practice that's good for all situations. Tomac Since you have to use your "off hand" to activate the mag release, it's not practical to have the mag drop free. Your off hand needs to be in that location to activate the release, so why not withdraw and retain the mag? The main advantage to this is that you aren't learning two different actions for "emergency reloads" and "tactical reloads". Both reloads are treated the same. |
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I too am drooling over the STG but I want to know if the magazines drop free? No, as Dave just posted. However, I feel this is an advantage as it forces you to make every mag change positive and dependable instead of counting on the mag to drop free (and if it doesn't drop free due to dirt in the magwell or reloading from an unconventional position where gravity is insufficient to overcome the mag angle? )
Having to manually remove the mag every time gives you a single technique to practice that's good for all situations. Tomac Since you have to use your "off hand" to activate the mag release, it's not practical to have the mag drop free. Your off hand needs to be in that location to activate the release, so why not withdraw and retain the mag? The main advantage to this is that you aren't learning two different actions for "emergency reloads" and "tactical reloads". Both reloads are treated the same. I do not disagree with this logic at all. I am left handed, so I was doing it this way for YEARS with my AR before I got my first Norgon Ambi-catch. My one and only beef so far with transitioning from the AR to the MSAR is that the mag release on my STG is a BEAR. I have to really WANT to push that button. In fact, I need to basically hold the magazine while I'm pressing up in order to have enough leverage to push the button and release the magazine. The more I handle the MSAR, the less I like my AR collection, but this one item is still in need of some working out. |
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