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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Aug forend (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/20/2009 10:15:40 AM EDT
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Thinking about buying a Steyr Aug but would love to replace the vertical grip with some sort of forend, is anyone aware of such a thing.
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Thinking about buying a Steyr Aug but would love to replace the vertical grip with some sort of forend, is anyone aware of such a thing. http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/en/manufacturing/handguards/rifle.php?pid=347 |
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Thanks, will see if I can get a cost for one, is there any pictures out there to show it looks fitted to the Aug. Is there anything else out there. this should help... http://www.dsarms.com/Steyr-AUG-Quad-Rail-Handguard/productinfo/BT21318 ETA: I sure hope that MSAR considers a built in BUIS similar to the one on this set up when desigining their next round of 12+inch top rails |
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Thinking about buying a Steyr Aug but would love to replace the vertical grip with some sort of forend, is anyone aware of such a thing. http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/en/manufacturing/handguards/rifle.php?pid=347 The BT product you’re pointing to is a quadrail with the top rail going all the way back. I’ve talked to the US distributor for BT who is the only company in the US that still has the BT quadrail. They have one left for $500 and they told me that they will not be ordering them again. If zaz0903 is referring to a forearm like on a MP5, I don’t know of a product in existence for an AUG but would like to find one also. |
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I've found this one after some help from a friend, see bottom left.
Can't belive that there aren't more out there. http://www.oberlandarms.com/index.php?category=Specials&id=0&page== |
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Thanks for the Oberland link: I saw a similar "Sport" fore-end on the Waffen Schumacher stand at IWA but haven't been able to get any ordering details from them. From this link they appear to have been available since 2007.
Edit: The Schumacher version appears to be available from ACP and HTH Systembau in Germany for €199 and appears in Schumacher's own 2008 pricelist at €215. AFAICS, despite being a mite cheaper, the Oberland version is aluminium alloy whereas the Schumacher one is plastic. There used to be a cheap quad rail attachment available that looked like it would do, despite being aimed at the airsoft market, but it hasn't been in production for some years. It would add a nice bit of versatility to the AUG platform if this design were picked up by a reliable manufacturer. HTH |
The purists amongst us aside...
I think that the B&T rail is pretty cool. Just too bad it's a small fortune and I'm not sure whether it will mount to the new A3 and the old top rail mount for the older AUGs and USR isn't exactly the best and that's pretty much why you've seen TPD, MSAR, and Steyr all change the mounting for the top rail over what the old A2's and USR's used to have. Now Pete seems to be under the impression that at some point the A3's quad rail will be available...I would like nothing more. Rizzo of MSAR is looking at coming up with a good design for a quad rail for the STG, but whether MSAR will ever go with it I have no idea. Kent over at TPD was talking about a quad rail design he had cooked-up, but I haven't heard anything about that in almost two years now. The STG has a 12" bi-rail that you could get a bi-pod mount for and mount the bi-pod, but I have not seen anyone carrying the bi-pod mount piece so you'd have to contact MSAR about that one. |
| I agree that the B&T and other quad-rail systems radically change the AUG's looks, and take a bit of getting used to, to put it mildly, but the German Oberland and Schumacher fore-ends are significantly more ergonomic and easier on the eye, and still provide mounting points for a bipod as well as a vertical grip, if required. It's certainly a combination of looks and functionality I think I could live with. |
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BrianNH: I was under the impression Steyr was coming out with an A3 Quad rail. I would wait a while and see if this happens.
Have you got an authoritative source for this, Brian? I thought Steyr had ditched the idea of equipping the A3 with a quad rail. Well, if you consider SAI an authoritative source. I know they dont always seem to know what's coming over from the "Mother Ship".  I did speak with Jack though at SAI this morning about some dealer pricing on parts and such and he is under the impression an A3 quad rail will be offered. Apparently they are waiting on another large parts shipment. He also mentioned some optics as well which I'm anxious to hear about. I'll let you know when I hear something definitive.
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Originally Posted by Brian NH:
Well, if you consider SAI an authoritative source. I know they don't always seem to know what's coming over from the "Mother Ship". I did speak with Jack though at SAI this morning about some dealer pricing on parts and such and he is under the impression an A3 quad rail will be offered. Apparently they are waiting on another large parts shipment. He also mentioned some optics as well which I'm anxious to hear about. I'll let you know when I hear something definitive. Thanks, Brian, that sounds genuinely promising. In the meantime, I've ordered an alloy Sporvorderschaft from Oberland, so I'll post a review on here once it's arrived and I've got the measure of it. Oh, and I had another fox with the AUG just over an hour ago.
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Out of curiousity, what are people trying to accomplish by going to a quad rail, other than adding another 2.5 lbs to the rifle?
I think the reason the rails aren't common are: 1. relatively uncommon rifle. 2. A quad rail fouls up the whole QD barrel and integral foregrip thing. |
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Out of curiosity, what are people trying to accomplish by going to a quad rail, other than adding another 2.5 lbs to the rifle? I think the reason the rails aren't common are: 1. relatively uncommon rifle. 2. A quad rail fouls up the whole QD barrel and integral foregrip thing. Agreed, but at present there's no way to mount a bipod unless you can source a heavy barrel -whose extra weight/length may not be welcome-, and no way to mount a light or laser unless you use a barrel clamp -assuming the optics rail is already occupied. In my case, using a UK-legal straight-pull-only AUG Z SP, I'd like somewhere to mount my IR laser illuminator for night work with an NV sight, and somewhere to mount a bipod for greater stability when using a higher-magnification scope by day, without having to rely on a rucksack or other improvised field rest. I'll probably still mount a folding vertical fore-grip to the back of the rail, though, as I get on pretty well with the standard fore-grip. As regards the QD barrel issue, it's a fair point, but the design of the small "airsoft" rail I linked to earlier doesn't impede barrel removal -which is why I'd like to see someone make a higher-quality version-, and anyway, Steyr have disabled the barrel release catch on the SP version! (It isn't hard -or illegal- to get this fixed, but I haven't got round to getting it done yet.) |
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Out of curiosity, what are people trying to accomplish by going to a quad rail, other than adding another 2.5 lbs to the rifle? I think the reason the rails aren't common are: 1. relatively uncommon rifle. 2. A quad rail fouls up the whole QD barrel and integral foregrip thing. Agreed, but at present there's no way to mount a bipod unless you can source a heavy barrel -whose extra weight/length may not be welcome-, and no way to mount a light or laser unless you use a barrel clamp -assuming the optics rail is already occupied. In my case, using a UK-legal straight-pull-only AUG Z SP, I'd like somewhere to mount my IR laser illuminator for night work with an NV sight, and somewhere to mount a bipod for greater stability when using a higher-magnification scope by day, without having to rely on a rucksack or other improvised field rest. I'll probably still mount a folding vertical fore-grip to the back of the rail, though, as I get on pretty well with the standard fore-grip. As regards the QD barrel issue, it's a fair point, but the design of the small "airsoft" rail I linked to earlier doesn't impede barrel removal -which is why I'd like to see someone make a higher-quality version-, and anyway, Steyr have disabled the barrel release catch on the SP version! (It isn't hard -or illegal- to get this fixed, but I haven't got round to getting it done yet.) Thanks for the clarification, that makes more sense. I have an MSAR so I can just fo with an E4 stock if I need rails on all sides. |
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Well, my Oberland fore-end has arrived, and looks good: I'll post some pics here once I get the chance. [Edit: see post below for pics]
Trouble is, it didn't come with any instructions for removing the factory folding fore-grip. Can any of you guys point/link me to some instructions for this, or give me a quick How-To? Thanks in advance, Jules |
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Well, my Oberland fore-end has arrived, and looks good: I'll post some pics here once I get the chance. Trouble is, it didn't come with any instructions for removing the factory folding fore-grip. Can any of you guys point/link me to some instructions for this, or give me a quick How-To? Thanks in advance, Jules I believe you just have to knock out a pin that the grip pivots on. |
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Here are some photos of the Oberland fore-end.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/bipodrightfront3401.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/gripfoldedleftfront.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/bottomfront34.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/front.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/rearleft.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/rifleleftfront.jpg The elegant minimalism of the original unadulterated AUG design admittedly goes by the board, but the new look isn't too bad, and the ability to fit a bipod and other handy stuff adds a new dimension. |
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Afterwork Ninja:
That's not too bad looking. Can you mount side rails on it? Tell me about that optic! Glad you like it. There are no side rail mounting points on it at present, but it's aluminium so I think it could easily be drilled and tapped, and the sides look parallel and flat enough to mount rails to. The optic is a Gen 2, X6 day/night sight. Giving the big knob on the L/H side a half turn forward lets you changer from looking through the regular daytime optics to looking through the intensifier tube without having to attach/detach anything or adjust the LoP to suit. The two switches on the R/H side are an ON/OFF/ILLUM for the intensifier (rear) and a 2-stage ILLUM for the reticle in day mode. I never use the latter because both settings are too bright, but otherwise the sight is perfect for ambushing foxes. Mine is an older model but here's some more info on the current version. Silent Type:
Seems like you'd have some weight though acting against the barrel. Would that effect accuracy? I haven't had an opportunity of shooting it yet with the new fore-end attached but the same thought had occurred to me. The fore-end is held in place by a bolt that goes through the hole formerly occupied by the retaining pin for the folding fore-grip, and by the loop in the middle, at the bottom of which is a tensioning bolt that bears on the barrel via a domed alloy buffer. Aside from this the fore-end doesn't actually touch the barrel, and though it comes pretty close, being solid metal it doesn't appear to flex at all. I assume that the bolt/buffer is intended to function rather like tip bedding on a traditional sporting rifle, but to be honest I've always wondered about the harmonics of the AUG barrel since its already fixed at the front of the action and shows a pretty heavy profile all the way to the muzzle. Anyway, I'll let you know how it shoots once I've made it out to my zeroing range this weekend - the D/N optic is coming off to make way for a conventional scope for summer shooting. The litmus test will always be how it shoots, but overall I'm pretty happy with the look and feel of the new front end, though it does make the rifle feel a bit front-heavy... or at least it does until you fit a loaded magazine! My idea at present is to run the gun with a regular scope and the new fore-end c/w bipod for summer hunting and range work and to revert to the original configuration with the D/N sight for the winter, but as ever, it all depends on what turns out to work best in practice. |
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I had the same idea about trying to use a Grip-pod for the front folding vertical grip on my STG-556 as I use bipods during 3-gun matches. I believe it could work if you could retrofit the Grip-pod's picatinny attachment point to the factory vertical grip attachment.
On the Oberland forearm, do you lose the barrel quick removal capability? |
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Quoted: On the Oberland forearm, do you lose the barrel quick removal capability?
As I think I mentioned above, for some reason Steyr disabled the barrel quick removal capability on the SP version, so I can't tell you for sure, but I can't see anything that would get in the way since the fore-end attaches to the barrel only. Quoted: How do you adjust the gas settings with that on there?
Good point! We're only allowed manually-operated AUGs in the UK unfortunately so mine doesn't have a gas take-off or regulator and again I can't say for sure, but it looks as though this would be concealed within the fore-end with the result that the fore-end would have to be removed -an easy job requiring just 30 seconds and a couple of Allen keys- to get at the regulator. I guess this might get boring if you have to adjust the reg. a lot - is this the case with regular (i.e. self-loading) AUGs? |
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Quoted: On the Oberland forearm, do you lose the barrel quick removal capability?
As I think I mentioned above, for some reason Steyr disabled the barrel quick removal capability on the SP version, so I can't tell you for sure, but I can't see anything that would get in the way since the fore-end attaches to the barrel only. Quoted: How do you adjust the gas settings with that on there?
Good point! We're only allowed manually-operated AUGs in the UK unfortunately so mine doesn't have a gas take-off or regulator and again I can't say for sure, but it looks as though this would be concealed within the fore-end with the result that the fore-end would have to be removed -an easy job requiring just 30 seconds and a couple of Allen keys- to get at the regulator. I guess this might get boring if you have to adjust the reg. a lot - is this the case with regular (i.e. self-loading) AUGs? Speaking for myself I only have to adjust the gas pressure when I'm dealing with low pressure ammo. I'm not sure what ammo selection is like in the UK, but here everybody and their cousin sells ammunition from the Eastern European former Soviet Client States to the high end Western Military Contractors. You can end up with some pretty weak .223 Remington Ammo at times that just doesn't cycle the bolt well unless you have it on the High Pressure setting. So, I don't find myself adjusting the gas a lot unless I'm running through all type of different ammunition in the same range session. Looks to me from the photos that you can still change out the barrel it just wouldn't be as easy to do, because you loose your vertical fore-grip. Obviously, though that's a total guess on my part based just off of photos. |
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Quoted: Looks to me from the photos that you can still change out the barrel it just wouldn't be as easy to do, because you lose your vertical fore-grip.
Because the fore-grip gives better leverage, presumably? Or is there another reason why removing the barrel would be harder with an after-market vertical grip fitted to the fore-end? I'm interested because I'm thinking of getting my barrel release re-enabled, but won't bother if removing the barrel is still going to be difficult when I have the fore-end fitted. |
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Does anyone know if this Oberland forearm will fit on the MSAR StG 556, and if so, does it require the flash hider to be removed to install it? So long as the MSAR FH can be removed, and the diameters of the barrel ahead of the central reinforce (above the fore-grip) and the fore-grip pivot/retaining pin are the same as on the AUG, there shouldn't be a problem. My AUG barrel has an OD of 20.04 mm and the retaining pin for the Oberland fore-end has an OD of 3.95 mm, if that's any help. If you're still interested, don't forget that there's a similar fore-end available from Waffen-Schumacher too. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/SteyrAUGZSportFore-End.jpg I believe the rail on the underside of the WS fore-end is removable too, which is good if you prefer to grip it directly. |
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I really want one of those to check out. If anyone has one, and would sell it to me or simply let me inspect it I would make it worth your while. For god's sake someone let him get his hands on one. Make sure you design one that still works with an AUG too
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The Oberland unit appears to have removed from their website, does anyone know if its still available? That is an odd coincidence! I'd suggest you e-mail Matthias Hainich at Oberland for information ([email protected]). I found him most helpful when I ordered my fore-end from OA. If it turns out they're no longer available from OA, drop Waffen Schumacher a line - their version is only a bit more expensive and by no means inferior in design - for example, it has a removable rail, unlike the OA's which is integrated into the fore-end. I bought mine from OA rather than WS because they responded promptly to my e-mail and Ws didn't. N.B. I still haven't heard from WS, so you may need to be persistent! |
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Does anyone know if this Oberland forearm will fit on the MSAR StG 556, and if so, does it require the flash hider to be removed to install it? So long as the MSAR FH can be removed, and the diameters of the barrel ahead of the central reinforce (above the fore-grip) and the fore-grip pivot/retaining pin are the same as on the AUG, there shouldn't be a problem. My AUG barrel has an OD of 20.04 mm and the retaining pin for the Oberland fore-end has an OD of 3.95 mm, if that's any help. If you're still interested, don't forget that there's a similar fore-end available from Waffen-Schumacher too. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/Mr_Gain/Oberland%20AUG%20hand-guard/SteyrAUGZSportFore-End.jpg I believe the rail on the underside of the WS fore-end is removable too, which is good if you prefer to grip it directly. Mr_Gain do you have a link for that forend? My googling is really not doing the job here 
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