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Can we get some cliffnotes?

Service is iffy and can't get the video to stop freezing.

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I glanced through it and see a lot of talk about explosives but nothing

about smokeless powder.

I guess primers would fall into the explosives catagory, but smokeless powder?

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Reloading forum, not GD.

The proposed rule discusses explosives, not propellants.  I won't tolerate reporting with half truths here.  I couldn't find any comments regarding propellants in the proposed rule.

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Reloading forum, not GD.

The proposed rule discusses explosives, not propellants.  I won't tolerate reporting with half truths here.  I couldn't find any comments regarding propellants in the proposed rule.

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Except the BATFE considers 'guncotton' and 'smokeless powder' to be explosive materials.

behold (perhaps there is newer, this is the first I got to)

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/general-notice/list-explosive-materials-2013/download


edit: there are other ways it can be covered in the law, as well. All depends on how they choose to look at it that day.

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Reloading forum, not GD.

The proposed rule discusses explosives, not propellants.  I won't tolerate reporting with half truths here.  I couldn't find any comments regarding propellants in the proposed rule.

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Looking through the list of "explosives", I find both black powder and smokeless powder listed are as explosives.

Their listing of individual chemical compounds, some of which might be used in a smokeless powder, makes this especially difficult to deal with for the non-professional user.

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I'm a reloader not an explosives company................... so this doesn't apply to me one bit.
Nor will it ever.

I'll reply to help those in the Explosives field as it's more Govt over reach ..............

But I'm glad I pretty much don't trust any of these types of posts that are full of assumptions and half truths............they are just as bad as the Govt and their posts.

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I'm a reloader not an explosives company................... so this doesn't apply to me one bit.
Nor will it ever.  

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Here is the proposed rule change for notifying local fire departments annually about storage of explosive materials.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/08/23/2023-18075/annual-reporting-of-explosive-materials-storage-facilities-to-the-local-fire-authority

The proposed changes are for Title 27, Chapter 2 Subchapter C Part 555 Subpart K   555.201

Now if you look at Title 27 Chapter 2 Subchapter C Part 555 Subpart H   555.141 Exemptions. You will see in subsection (a) (4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition are exempt from annual reporting.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-C/part-555/subpart-H/section-555.141

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Now if you look at Title 27 Chapter 2 Subchapter C Part 555 Subpart H   555.141 Exemptions. You will see in subsection (a) (4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition are exempt from annual reporting.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-C/part-555/subpart-H/section-555.141

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You are all missing the most important point:

“The person submitting the notification will be required to retain a copy of the written notification for five years and make such notification available for examination or inspection by ATF at all reasonable times.”

So you are now locked into their system for 5 years and they can examine or inspect at will. If we are reporting to the fire department how is the atf going to know to “inspect” us.

FWIW, a good friend just retired from our FD as a Captain and I asked him about powders, primers and ammo. He said it was no big deal. They hear ammo popping off all the time in fires and no one he knew had ever been hurt. He told me if the fire lites off the powder it just burns hot and fast then it’s over.

The atf estimate of 9,674 people is low by a few zeros.

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Your contribution shows this entire thread is based on the false premise that this applies to small arms ammunition and reloading.

555.141 Exemptions.

(a) General.  Except for the provisions of §§ 555.180 and 555.181, this part does not apply to:

(1) Any aspect of the transportation of explosive materials via railroad, water, highway, or air which is regulated by the U.S. Department of Transportation and its agencies, and which pertains to safety. For example, regulations issued by the Department of Transportation addressing the security risk of aliens transporting explosives by commercial motor or railroad carrier from Canada preclude the enforcement of 18 U.S.C. 842(i)(5) against persons shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing explosives incident to and in connection with the commercial transportation of explosives by truck or rail from Canada into the United States. Questions concerning this exception should be directed to ATF's Explosives Industry Program Branch in Washington, DC.

(2) The use of explosive materials in medicines and medicinal agents in the forms prescribed by the official United States Pharmacopeia or the National Formulary. “The United States Pharmacopeia and The National Formulary,” USP and NF Compendia, are available from the United States Pharmacopeial Convention, Inc., 12601 Twinbrook Parkway, Rockville, Maryland 20852.

(3) The transportation, shipment, receipt, or importation of explosive materials for delivery to any agency of the United States or to any State or its political subdivision.

(4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition.

(5) The manufacture under the regulation of the military department of the United States of explosive materials for, or their distribution to or storage or possession by, the military or naval services or other agencies of the United States.

(6) Arsenals, navy yards, depots, or other establishments owned by, or operated by or on behalf of, the United States.

(7) The importation, distribution, and storage of fireworks classified as UN0336, UN0337, UN0431, or UN0432 explosives by the U.S. Department of Transportation at 49 CFR 172.101 and generally known as “consumer fireworks” or “articles pyrotechnic.”

(8) Gasoline, fertilizers, propellant actuated devices, or propellant actuated industrial tools manufactured, imported, or distributed for their intended purposes.

(9) Industrial and laboratory chemicals which are intended for use as reagents and which are packaged and shipped pursuant to U.S. Department of Transportation regulations, 49 CFR Parts 100 to 177, which do not require explosives hazard warning labels.

(10) Model rocket motors that meet all of the following criteria—

(i) Consist of ammonium perchlorate composite propellant, black powder, or other similar low explosives;

(ii) Contain no more than 62.5 grams of total propellant weight; and

(iii) Are designed as single-use motors or as reload kits capable of reloading no more than 62.5 grams of propellant into a reusable motor casing.

(b) Black powder.  Except for the provisions applicable to persons required to be licensed under subpart D, this part does not apply with respect to commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not to exceed 50 pounds, percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers, if the black powder is intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16) or antique devices, as exempted from the term “destructive devices” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4).

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The ATF ruling discussed in the OP's video relates to chapter 555 of the Code of Federal Regulations. That chapter is about explosives. If you read the chapter, it specifically exempts ammunition, smokeless powder and blackpowder in quantities below 50 pounds.

The guy who did the video is wrong and should feel bad. The OP should also feel bad for not checking the information out  before sharing.


https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-C/part-555/subpart-H/section-555.141

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You and I posted the same information. But we all know the old saying that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink fits here too. Some are going to believe all the "Chicken Little" videos versus what the regulations and proposed rules state.

I just realized that the video was put out by the head Chicken Little from Guns and Gadgets. I refuse to watch any of his videos.

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I never watched the video, I went straight to the text document.

I did thoroughly read and search the text of the BATFE document.  

I asked if there were any small arms ammunition and reloading exceptions.

Once the additional chapters were made available that the exception for reloaders was evident.  

Thanks again for pointing it out.

Perhaps someone with a Youtube account should post a comment on the video pointing out the fallacy.

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As a general rule, youtube videos related to political developments in our space should be avoided at all costs, and treated with the disdane of a revenue generating (I.e hyateria) motivated disinformation campagn.   I'm not kidding - they are almost never right, and disinformatin create bugesses pretty much every time.

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I never watched the video, I went straight to the text document.

I did thoroughly read and search the text of the BATFE document.  

I asked if there were any small arms ammunition and reloading exceptions.

Once the additional chapters were made available that the exception for reloaders was evident.  

Thanks again for pointing it out.

Perhaps someone with a Youtube account should post a comment on the video pointing out the fallacy.

Quoted:  I'm at a loss as to how the federal government requires you to notify a local (non-federal) enforcement authority.

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I'm at a loss as to how the federal government requires you to notify a local (non-federal) enforcement authority.

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Damn it people, THINK! Have you ever filled out a form to buy smokeless powder? Has anyone ever said anything to you about storage? Does your local powder seller do anything special with smokeless powder? No. No. No. The proposed rule is adding an annual fire department notification to an initial notification that is already required by law? Do you remember having to notify the fire department of anything? Of course you don't.

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Reloading forum, not GD.

The proposed rule discusses explosives, not propellants.  I won't tolerate reporting with half truths here.  I couldn't find any comments regarding propellants in the proposed rule.

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I glanced through it and see a lot of talk about explosives but nothing

about smokeless powder.

I guess primers would fall into the explosives catagory, but smokeless powder?