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Posted: 10/15/2017 10:08:16 PM EDT
I'm new to loading 45, being doing 9mm for a long time.

The last batch of test load of 45 ACP, I used CFE Pistol powder, S&B LPP, 1.250 OACL, mild crimp.  

From 5.8gr to 6.4gr in .2gr increments.   Everything ran fine without the suppressor, but when suppressed, there's lots of powder throwing at my face and 8 rounds failed to chamber out of 120 rounds fired.

I was shooting standing up about 2 feet above the shooting bench, there's quite bit of unburnt powder on the bench top.

I tried some W231 today, from 4.9gr to 5.4gr, with tighter crimp.  same thing but better than CFE P.

The can is a Rugged Obsdian 45, in short configuration most of the time.

Should I try some other finer powder, like H110?

I'm loading on a Dillon 650 with Dillon dies.
Link Posted: 10/15/2017 10:18:14 PM EDT
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A LEETLE bit more information, maybe,  like WHAT KIND OF GUN IS THIS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

AR platform?

If the answer there is yes, then you need a PRI Gasbuster charging handle, which is made for just such a scenario.
Link Posted: 10/15/2017 10:29:25 PM EDT
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I have loaded some 45 yet haven't shot it yet. Not long after I loaded it I fucked up my arm and kind of forgot about it. Guess I need to take it to the range next time I go. Hopefully next weekend.
Link Posted: 10/15/2017 10:53:05 PM EDT
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A LEETLE bit more information, maybe,  like WHAT KIND OF GUN IS THIS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

AR platform?

If the answer there is yes, then you need a PRI Gasbuster charging handle, which is made for just such a scenario.
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FNX 45 as in the thread title.

Link Posted: 10/15/2017 10:58:59 PM EDT
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H110 is way too slow for the 45 ACP.  Try the faster powders like Bullseye and Titegroup.

Try about 5 grs. Bullseye behind a 230 gr. bullet.
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 1:23:46 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/16/2017 3:38:47 AM EDT
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Yes, forget H-110, it's for magnum pistol/300 blk.

I've seen it written that 5.0 Bullseye with a 230 gr JRN was the original 45 ACP loading.
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It is and Bullseye is also the same formula as it has been since then.

As above, try a faster powder. Bullseye, red dot, AA #2, etc....

For 45, all I ever use is bullseye anymore .
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 7:52:21 AM EDT
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Thanks for your inputs.

Is Auto-comp a good choice for it?
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 10:27:19 AM EDT
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Thanks for your inputs.

Is Auto-comp a good choice for it?
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Nope, you want a fast powder.  CFE-P is actually kind of a midrange speed powder, thats why your are seeing unburnt powder.  Thats why TiteGroup, and Bullseye were suggested.  My vote is TG as its easy to get and meters like water.

An excellent source of info for burn rate speed:
Burn Rate Chart
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 2:27:21 PM EDT
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My local shop is out of TG, They do have Clays which is quite popular for 45, but the guy is not familiar with suppressor loads.
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 3:06:23 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/16/2017 7:44:12 PM EDT
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Titegroup is a little weird in the bigger case. For some reason it produces a lot of smoke in the same setup for me.

Try N320.
Link Posted: 10/17/2017 12:31:42 AM EDT
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9  CLAYS
15 TITEGROUP
23 INTERNATIONAL CLAYS
25 N320
29 W231
31 Unique
44 CFE Pistol

I'll look into TG and Int'l Clays.
Link Posted: 10/17/2017 2:19:05 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/17/2017 9:08:10 AM EDT
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Sorry, I'd never heard of an FNX.  
Link Posted: 10/17/2017 10:16:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/18/2017 10:52:43 AM EDT
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Clays in 45 with 200 to 230 bullet is only going to get you to a major power factor of around 167 before you start getting sighs of over pressure.

The powder you are looking for is international clay, which has just a slightly slower burn rate, a flake powder so it easy to get it ignited, and should be able to get complete burns with power factors in the 170's with the can in play.

Take a look at the burn chart, and a good flake powder around the 46 mark should have you in the hunt for a powder that will do complete burn, and still give you the speeds your looking for.  As for spherical powder, it going to meter the best out or a dispenser, but at the same time, the hardest powder to get a ignition on instead.  Do to this, in most cases you want to use a magnum type primer so you do have enough heat to get the needed ignition instead (which also raises the working pressure of the load).

http://www.reloadersnest.com/burnrates.asp
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Flake powder is easy to light, but it meters for crap.  Thats why I will never use the stuff.  I have better things to do than dick with my PM to get reasonably accurate drops.

TiteGroup doesnt really need a magnum primer to light off and burn fully.  Ive shot up 16# of TG in the last 3 years, and with the low charge weight needed in 9 (3.1gr w 147s) and 45 (4.2gr with 230s), thats alot of reloading, so I have a pretty good handle on how it works.

My advice?  If you cant find TG, look again.  
Its one of the best for heavy bullets, really works great for heavier for caliber bullets like 147s in 9, and 230s in 45.  
Its a good suppressor powder because its easy to keep subsonic with heavy bullets.
It burns clean enough as Ive gone a couple thousand rounds worth of 147s on my M&P Pro without more than a little oil.
It meters fantastic,a good PM will will throw the same charge all day if setup right.  Ive done 10, 20 and 50 drop tests, and Ive seen maybe a .02 variance that was only visible at the 50 drop test.
Its generally available, except in your case.  
Charge weights are low, 3.1gr for 147s in 9 and 4.2 for 230s in 45 is like a pinch in the case.  Of course, YMMV on charge weights, as this is what my guns like.
Its not position sensitive.  
Its cheaper that other powders.  I think about $10 or so per 8# jug.

The only downside?  It does burn a little hot.  Not hot enough to melt good HiTek coating, or mess up a plated bullet, but it will heat your gun up.

Just buy an 8# jug and be set for a long time.
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 12:48:59 PM EDT
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I use bullseye with good results. Tiny bit of blow back but not bad.

Berrys 185gr hbrn
Bullseye 5.3gr
Win LPP
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 8:07:05 PM EDT
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IVe has the best luck with my suppressed pistols with titegroup. 

With that said, that’s a sexy setup OP... that set up is on my short list of must haves one day
Link Posted: 10/20/2017 10:57:14 AM EDT
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I've got the same pistol and RMR with a Revo 45.  With CFE Pistol under a 230 Gold Dot (6.8 grains at 1.225OAL), it shoots great and is a great deer/ hog load.  It does blowback and it does smoke up the RMR's lens within the first mag (or first 5 shots).  Compared to Silhouette with the same bullets, the CFE Pistol is better through the chrony, both in velocity and spread/ consistency.  I've got N320 and N240 on hand, but have yet to try either out with the 45; I will shortly for practice loads.  I might try out Tite Group too.  The downside to the faster powders in the 45ACP is  the lower velocities.  In a 5" 45ACP with 230 grain pills, I have yet to see a recipe that will safely break the sound barrier or even bump into transsonic territory.  

My 6.8 grains of CFE at 1.225 230 grain Gold Dot load chronies at 915fps out of the FNX with a spread of 47 fps.  Same pill at 1.250 over 7.6 grains of Silhouette is 840 fps with a 95 fps spread.  Do have to deal with the blowback a bit on both.  Honestely, with the REVO 45, it really isn't that bad.
Link Posted: 10/20/2017 5:14:48 PM EDT
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Got to leave work early today, so I made a stop at LGS on my way home.

They've just got the TG in 8# jugs in.

$124 +tx = $132 out of the door.


It better work out for me.
Link Posted: 10/21/2017 8:34:43 AM EDT
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Titegroup should work great. I've been using it for 9mm for 1500 rounds and love it.

When i owned a 45 and loaded for it I used Unique with great success, but wasnt shooting suppressed.
Link Posted: 10/24/2017 11:58:23 AM EDT
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Got to leave work early today, so I made a stop at LGS on my way home.

They've just got the TG in 8# jugs in.

$124 +tx = $132 out of the door.


It better work out for me.
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And thats why I love TG.  Its cheap, and the charge weight is so low, it just lasts and lasts.  :)
Link Posted: 10/24/2017 1:09:17 PM EDT
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TG is also great for SS 124gr 9mm loads

3.7 - 3.9 grains
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 9:30:26 AM EDT
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Another good powder choice would be Titewad, its very fast, cheap, and burns clean.  Back before they released pistol data for it, I actually worked up .380 and 9mm loads with it when I couldn't get pistol powder for a while. 

It is very fast, in that the published loads run from 2.8 to 3.3 grains with a 230 lead bullet. 
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