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Posted: 9/25/2015 9:30:47 PM EDT
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Does anyone know how to get reloading components in big bulk to get good discounts? I'm sure that even the small ammo companies don't buy things is the quantities available at the store.
For example, the going prices I am seeing for small pistol primers in 1000 packs is $32. $0.03 a primer is not bad, but if I bought 10,000 (normal price $320) or 50,000 (normal price $1600) at a time, could I get a better price? What about powders ? If you can find them, I see that 8lb cans get a decent price brake. But are 25lb drums available ? And last bullets. I see that I can get bulk coated bullets at blue bullets and BBI in lot of 4000 which bring the price down to $0.06 each, but if I get 10,0000 will the price get any lower? With plated bullets the best price I can seem to find is $0.08 each. So far I have priced out stuff that could get me down to $0.10-0.12 for a 9mm reload, but I would like to drop that down even further. |
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Coated bullets (specifically the blue bullets) give 10% off 10k or more... and you can mix the calibers for that discount, so you can stock up on more than one kind of bullet.
I've never seen price brakes on powder and primers since I've started loading, but I have seem limits on quantity due to the availability. I got into the game a lot later than a lot of these guys so they can probably tell you what has happened in the past. That said, a bulk order of primers for me is significantly cheaper than buying locally. Best I can do locally is $154/5000 plus tax... powder valley will be cheaper than that once I buy enough to offset the shipping cost (which doesn't take much due to the lack of sales tax). |
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#1 Supply you can not buy what is not available. #2 Vendors Powder can only be shipped in up 8# for commercial transportation. The larger drums have to come via specialized transportation companies. that only transport from say hodgdon to a powder distributor. Commercial trucks can not deliver them. Then those containers are only sold to O6/07 FFL holders for use in the manufacture of ammo, they are not for distribution to retail customers. And, 06/07 FFL holders have to sign paper agreeing to this. FET has not been applied to OEM pricing as the 06/07 then collects the FET on loaded ammo. So, your going to be limited to 8# jugs at most. Remember the Money Talks and BS Walks! This smells of a pipe dream. If the OP is serious he will do the leg work with vendors and as for volume pricing programs. |
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your savings will be in spreading out the shipping and haz mat costs by buying in large lots with multiple people like stated above, you would need to buy rail car quantities to get much of a break I was thinking about that. It wouldn't be to hard, I don't think, to get 10 people to willing to put a few hundred dollar for for 10,000 each and then approach a vendor for a 100,000 qty primer order. In the corporate world I deal with IT vendors and am used to seeing anywhere from 25-40% off prices seen on the Internet. But then again the cost of these items is much higher with say one firewall costing $50K. About a year and a half ago my last company bought a pair of data center core switches loaded to only half their capacity costing $400K, even with 50% off list price. 
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I was thinking about that. It wouldn't be to hard, I don't think, to get 10 people to willing to put a few hundred dollar for for 10,000 each and then approach a vendor for a 100,000 qty primer order. In the corporate world I deal with IT vendors and am used to seeing anywhere from 25-40% off prices seen on the Internet. But then again the cost of these items is much higher with say one firewall costing $50K. About a year and a half ago my last company bought a pair of data center core switches loaded to only half their capacity costing $400K, even with 50% off list price. Quoted:
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your savings will be in spreading out the shipping and haz mat costs by buying in large lots with multiple people like stated above, you would need to buy rail car quantities to get much of a break I was thinking about that. It wouldn't be to hard, I don't think, to get 10 people to willing to put a few hundred dollar for for 10,000 each and then approach a vendor for a 100,000 qty primer order. In the corporate world I deal with IT vendors and am used to seeing anywhere from 25-40% off prices seen on the Internet. But then again the cost of these items is much higher with say one firewall costing $50K. About a year and a half ago my last company bought a pair of data center core switches loaded to only half their capacity costing $400K, even with 50% off list price. 10,000 and even 100,000 primers is not a large quantity. I bet I have close to 100.000 all by myself. It is enough to cause issues for proper storage for the home reloader but it is not enough to justify the type pf steep discounts you seem to have in mind - not even close. On the other hand, you should get a small price break before you reach the "railroad car" quantities. |
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Many problems #1 Supply you can not buy what is not available. #2 Vendors Powder can only be shipped in up 8# for commercial transportation. The larger drums have to come via specialized transportation companies. that only transport from say hodgdon to a powder distributor. Commercial trucks can not deliver them. Then those containers are only sold to O6/07 FFL holders for use in the manufacture of ammo, they are not for distribution to retail customers. And, 06/07 FFL holders have to sign paper agreeing to this. FET has not been applied to OEM pricing as the 06/07 then collects the FET on loaded ammo. So, your going to be limited to 8# jugs at most. Remember the Money Talks and BS Walks! This smells of a pipe dream. If the OP is serious he will do the leg work with vendors and as for volume pricing programs. Have bought several 40# kegs of powder, you can pick up bulk drums out of FL with a little leg work, never was asked FFL |
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Quoted: Have bought several 40# kegs of powder, you can pick up bulk drums out of FL with a little leg work, never was asked FFL Quoted: Quoted: Many problems #1 Supply you can not buy what is not available. #2 Vendors Powder can only be shipped in up 8# for commercial transportation. The larger drums have to come via specialized transportation companies. that only transport from say hodgdon to a powder distributor. Commercial trucks can not deliver them. Then those containers are only sold to O6/07 FFL holders for use in the manufacture of ammo, they are not for distribution to retail customers. And, 06/07 FFL holders have to sign paper agreeing to this. FET has not been applied to OEM pricing as the 06/07 then collects the FET on loaded ammo. So, your going to be limited to 8# jugs at most. Remember the Money Talks and BS Walks! This smells of a pipe dream. If the OP is serious he will do the leg work with vendors and as for volume pricing programs. Have bought several 40# kegs of powder, you can pick up bulk drums out of FL with a little leg work, never was asked FFL Where is in Florida? |
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Quoted: Where is Florida? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many problems #1 Supply you can not buy what is not available. #2 Vendors Powder can only be shipped in up 8# for commercial transportation. The larger drums have to come via specialized transportation companies. that only transport from say hodgdon to a powder distributor. Commercial trucks can not deliver them. Then those containers are only sold to O6/07 FFL holders for use in the manufacture of ammo, they are not for distribution to retail customers. And, 06/07 FFL holders have to sign paper agreeing to this. FET has not been applied to OEM pricing as the 06/07 then collects the FET on loaded ammo. So, your going to be limited to 8# jugs at most. Remember the Money Talks and BS Walks! This smells of a pipe dream. If the OP is serious he will do the leg work with vendors and as for volume pricing programs. Have bought several 40# kegs of powder, you can pick up bulk drums out of FL with a little leg work, never was asked FFL Where is Florida? <removed> your not funny. Keep that kind of post in GD. dryflash3 |
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Well, if you are getting large kegs of powder
#1 the vendor is violating the agreement with Hodgdon #2 you had to pick it up, and technically broke the law transporting it illegally! May want to check with CFR 11-3.1 Quantities of smokeless propellants not exceeding 25 lb. (11.3 kg) in shipping containers (ie 8# or less) approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation, may be transported in a private vehicle. 11-3.2 Quantities of smokeless propellants exceeding 25 lb. (11.3 kg) but not exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), transported in a private vehicle, shall be transported in a portable magazine having wood walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness. |
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Well, if you are getting large kegs of powder #1 the vendor is violating the agreement with Hodgdon #2 you had to pick it up, and technically broke the law transporting it illegally! May want to check with CFR 11-3.1 Quantities of smokeless propellants not exceeding 25 lb. (11.3 kg) in shipping containers (ie 8# or less) approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation, may be transported in a private vehicle. 11-3.2 Quantities of smokeless propellants exceeding 25 lb. (11.3 kg) but not exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), transported in a private vehicle, shall be transported in a portable magazine having wood walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness. 1 Never said anything about Hodgdon 2 So you know how it was transported ? 3 were you once a hall monitor ? 
Wc844 can be had in 40# but at this point IMHO it's way over priced at almost 3x what it was in late 2012 CSB1 can be found in 55# but it too is over priced |
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Strange - I have bought 3 huge barrels of powder (need to go check the label - I thought they were 100lbs net weight.
I would buy 3 cases at a time of powder. 4x 8lb in each case all dropped off the same truck. And what clueless idiot claimed ANY FET is due on any powder, size is irrelevant. |
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I was thinking about that. It wouldn't be to hard, I don't think, to get 10 people to willing to put a few hundred dollar for for 10,000 each and then approach a vendor for a 100,000 qty primer order. In the corporate world I deal with IT vendors and am used to seeing anywhere from 25-40% off prices seen on the Internet. But then again the cost of these items is much higher with say one firewall costing $50K. About a year and a half ago my last company bought a pair of data center core switches loaded to only half their capacity costing $400K, even with 50% off list price. Have you contacted any of the component suppliers to set up an account, get volume pricing, get their shipping details and their terms and conditions, etc? Are you set up as a business and have a resale number or taxpayer identification number from the IRS? |
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If you want primers and powder your best bet is to get your C&R FFL and order from Graf's. They only hold backordered items though for 1 week now so good luck getting everything you want without paying multiple hazmat/shipping charges.
If you just want powder Midsouth Shooters Supply are just as cheap as Grafs (with discount) but their primers cost more. |
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Wow, thanks for mentioning that, I never heard of them. They do have great deals on powder. $15/lb for titegroup! Quoted:
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If you just want powder Midsouth Shooters Supply are just as cheap as Grafs (with discount) but their primers cost more. Wow, thanks for mentioning that, I never heard of them. They do have great deals on powder. $15/lb for titegroup! No problem. I always search for the best deals but have found generally when one place is cheap on one thing (ie powder) they are more expensive on another (ie primers). Graf's w/ dealer account seems to be the sole exception to that rule from what I have found but their backorder policy isn't the best. |
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