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Posted: 1/20/2015 4:02:02 AM EDT
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I recently came into about 1000ct of mil-surp .30-06 of unknown vintage.
I believe the primers are bad and I don't trust the powder in any event. Hopefully, the cases are Boxer primed but, even if they aren't, I can repurpose the projectiles. What would be the most efficient way to disassemble all this stuff? |
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Unknown vintage?
US Military Surplus will have the date and armory stamped in the base. LC 58, or RA 63, or something like that. Even foreign 30.06 will have stamping that will tell you where it was made and possibly what year. There are sites on the internet that break all that down and explain what country the ammo came from. With that info there's probably someone here that could tell you it is corrosive primed or not. Ammo can last for years. I have 30.06 ammo from the 1960's that still shoots fine. Every now and then, at the range where I shoot, I find a handful of US steel cased .45 acp empties from the 1940's. Someone goes over there every now and then shoots a couple magazines of 70 year old ammo through their pistol. I'd like to have some of it just to put away but I don't know who's shooting it, I just find the empties sometimes. |
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Hornady collet puller is your best bet but, it's still going to take quite a bit of time. First post nails it. Even outside GD. 
And if you have to pull it down Coop's suggestion is the way to go. Hornady's cam loc collet puller is very fast once you get it adjusted, which only takes a minute or two. |
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I recently came into about 1000ct of mil-surp .30-06 of unknown vintage. I believe the primers are bad and I don't trust the powder in any event. Hopefully, the cases are Boxer primed but, even if they aren't, I can repurpose the projectiles. What would be the most efficient way to disassemble all this stuff? Post the head stamps. |
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I recently came into about 1000ct of mil-surp .30-06 of unknown vintage. I believe the primers are bad and I don't trust the powder in any event. Hopefully, the cases are Boxer primed but, even if they aren't, I can repurpose the projectiles. What would be the most efficient way to disassemble all this stuff? Sorry, double tap. |
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Quoted: I recently came into about 1000ct of mil-surp .30-06 of unknown vintage. I believe the primers are bad and I don't trust the powder in any event. Hopefully, the cases are Boxer primed but, even if they aren't, I can repurpose the projectiles. What would be the most efficient way to disassemble all this stuff? |
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I recently came into about 1000ct of mil-surp .30-06 of unknown vintage. I believe the primers are bad and I don't trust the powder in any event. Hopefully, the cases are Boxer primed but, even if they aren't, I can repurpose the projectiles. What would be the most efficient way to disassemble all this stuff? Lolz, I thought we were needed to shoot some Soviets! Why is a liberal apologist on a “black-gun” website using an old phrase completely wrong? First, second and third worlds. 
I bet you didn’t know Sweden and Finland were third world countries. If you feel bad about having to much money or freedom you can donate. Learn something or just moan, this isn't GD... |
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... Lolz, I thought we were needed to shoot some Soviets! Why is a liberal apologist on a “black-gun” website using an old phrase completely wrong? First, second and third worlds. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Cold_War_alliances_mid-1975.svg I bet you didn’t know Sweden and Finland were third world countries. If you feel bad about having to much money or freedom you can donate. Learn something or just moan, this isn't GD... Post preserved. |
If you "just don't trust" the rounds, go ahead and pull 'em down. For a butt-load of rounds, an inertia (hammer) puller won't be practical, so a collet-type puller is your best bet. I have a Hornady collet tool that I've used for pulling bullets, and it's smooth and easy - easier than the RCBS tool looks to be, though I haven't tested the RCBS. Unfortunately, the key is getting the correct collet, whatever brand of puller you use, though they are very much NOT interchangeable between brands. I just did a quick search and the "big name, big box" vendors all seem to be out of the .308" Hornady collet.  To me, that just means more searching... I've had really good luck finding stuff like this on Amazon, and for better prices than some of the "big name" vendors offered.
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I quit using an inertia puller quite a while ago and switched to a collet puller. It works much better. I use the RCBS one, but the Hornady one seems pretty nice. I do not envy you needing to pull 1k bullets though. I've done 300 or 400 XM193ish loads I got for free when I worked at the LGS. Apparently it ruined someones gun and the owner told me I could just have it as long as I pulled it all and dumped the powder. It's terrible.  ETA: I still keep an inertia puller around for if I need to just pull a few for a caliber I don't have a collet for. They are still handy to have and not too expensive. |
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Quoted: Hornady collet puller is your best bet but, it's still going to take quite a bit of time. This is the tool to get, as it works easier than the RCBS collet puller. This one http://www.midwayusa.com/product/851547/hornady-cam-lock-bullet-puller?cm_vc=ProductFinding Be sure to get a 30 caliber collet. I see they are OOS at Midway, so check other places. |
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Why don't you tell us the markings before you do anything else?? Quoted:
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I recently came into about 1000ct of mil-surp .30-06 of unknown vintage. I believe the primers are bad and I don't trust the powder in any event. Hopefully, the cases are Boxer primed but, even if they aren't, I can repurpose the projectiles. What would be the most efficient way to disassemble all this stuff? It is Egyptian surplus according to the headstamps. The primers are bad. A quick google search indicates these are corrosive, Berdan primers which makes the cases useless to me. I suppose I have 1000 "free" projectiles. |
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It is Egyptian surplus according to the headstamps. The primers are bad. A quick google search indicates these are corrosive, Berdan primers which makes the cases useless to me. I suppose I have 1000 "free" projectiles. Quoted:
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I recently came into about 1000ct of mil-surp .30-06 of unknown vintage. I believe the primers are bad and I don't trust the powder in any event. Hopefully, the cases are Boxer primed but, even if they aren't, I can repurpose the projectiles. What would be the most efficient way to disassemble all this stuff? It is Egyptian surplus according to the headstamps. The primers are bad. A quick google search indicates these are corrosive, Berdan primers which makes the cases useless to me. I suppose I have 1000 "free" projectiles. I'll bust out my kinetic puller and help
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If I thought the powder was any good, I would just about offer to pull the bullets for you. Keep the powder, and send the bullets back. I've never had any Egyptian '06, so I don't know how the powder would test out, or if it's even viable powder. ETA: If the bullets have the tar/asphalt sealant, just warm the necks a little and you can just about pull the bullets out with your teeth. |
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It's Persian/Iranian 30-06. It's easy to confuse Farci headstamp with some other scribbly line headstamp Quoted:
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Egyptian,, have to be 8mm..... measure bullet OD It's Persian/Iranian 30-06. It's easy to confuse Farci headstamp with some other scribbly line headstamp Roger that. My Farsi is worse than my French. |
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Actual bullet OD = .3067 Case Length = 63mm exactly. Chambers perfectly in a .30-06 Rifle. Primers will not ignite. Quoted:
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Egyptian,, have to be 8mm..... measure bullet OD Actual bullet OD = .3067 Case Length = 63mm exactly. Chambers perfectly in a .30-06 Rifle. Primers will not ignite. Do the headstamps look like this: 
(Image borrowed from a member of IAAA here... Or do they look like this: 
(Image borrowed from a different IAAA member here... The first is Iranian, the second Egyptian. |
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Do the headstamps look like this: http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss298/thr25/Bunnstempling.jpg (Image borrowed from a member of IAAA here... Or do they look like this: http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r235/Jones1943/MauserEnlarged.jpg (Image borrowed from a different IAAA member here... The first is Iranian, the second Egyptian. Quoted:
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Egyptian,, have to be 8mm..... measure bullet OD Actual bullet OD = .3067 Case Length = 63mm exactly. Chambers perfectly in a .30-06 Rifle. Primers will not ignite. Do the headstamps look like this: http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss298/thr25/Bunnstempling.jpg (Image borrowed from a member of IAAA here... Or do they look like this: http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r235/Jones1943/MauserEnlarged.jpg (Image borrowed from a different IAAA member here... The first is Iranian, the second Egyptian. They look like this... Iranian .30-06 ETA: I suck at linking images. Look at an image of Iranian .30-06. |
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Go up to FAQ's to learn how to post pics, your not even close. Notice you link is way too long and doesn't look like GHPorters. Quoted:
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Egyptian,, have to be 8mm..... measure bullet OD Actual bullet OD = .3067 Case Length = 63mm exactly. Chambers perfectly in a .30-06 Rifle. Primers will not ignite. Do the headstamps look like this: http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss298/thr25/Bunnstempling.jpg (Image borrowed from a member of IAAA here... Or do they look like this: http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r235/Jones1943/MauserEnlarged.jpg (Image borrowed from a different IAAA member here... The first is Iranian, the second Egyptian. They look like this... http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/ordnance-ammo/544914d1374892710-unidentifiable-headstamp-30-06-a-img_2670.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ordnance-ammo/unidentifiable-headstamp-30-06-a-326500/&h=2447&w=3263&tbnid=-JgWDZ96eNwIMM:&zoom=1&docid=uwFxHCToalyFqM&ei=tBa_VP7FJMylNovtgIAM&tbm=isch&ved=0CCUQMygHMAc ETA: I suck at linking images. Look at an image of Iranian .30-06. Notice you link is way too long and doesn't look like GHPorters. Hotlinked the image. That's the best I can do as the FAQ instructions make no sense unless I want to set up a photobucket account. |
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Save projos and powder.....recycle....  Powder can't be trusted. Will save projectiles. Wacky ass combloc type nonsense powder. Primers are contaminated/non-functional. Why in the world would I trust it? Always know your powder. |
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Quoted: Wacky ass combloc type nonsense powder. Primers are contaminated/non-functional. Why in the world would I trust it? Always know your powder. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Save projos and powder.....recycle.... Powder can't be trusted. Will save projectiles. Wacky ass combloc type nonsense powder. Primers are contaminated/non-functional. Why in the world would I trust it? Always know your powder. If you pull the bullet and the powder looks good dump it in new case and reseat the projo.. but thats just me....
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If the primers hadn't been dead the powder would have worked. Other users of this ammo haven't had any issues...just saying. If you pull the bullet and the powder looks good dump it in new case and reseat the projo.. but thats just me.... Quoted:
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Save projos and powder.....recycle.... Powder can't be trusted. Will save projectiles. Wacky ass combloc type nonsense powder. Primers are contaminated/non-functional. Why in the world would I trust it? Always know your powder. If you pull the bullet and the powder looks good dump it in new case and reseat the projo.. but thats just me.... Ok. Stop by and you can have the powder, for free. I'll use the projectiles for super .300 blk. |
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Some 20 years ago a friend and I bought a few HUNDRED thousand rounds of French .30-06 ammo.We knew the Berdan primers were bad at the rate of about 95%.We bought it just to salvage the flake powder and bullets.
After some experimentation we learned the easiest and (by far) the fastest method was also the simplest: drill a 5/16" hole in a piece of 1/4" thick flat stock;put the flat stock in a good bench vise with the hole oriented in a horizontal position;set 3 buckets under the vise:insert a bullet into the hole in the flat stock and push down on the back end --head-- of the case.this will deform the case neck and easily let the bullet come out (even though they were heavily lacquered),bullet goes in one bucket ,powder in a second bucket and brass in a third bucket. We ended up with MANY,MANY thousands of bullets and HUNDREDS of pounds of powder,Seems like we paid 6 cents per round. (ah,the 'good 'ol days!) |
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Quoted: Hotlinked the image. That's the best I can do as the FAQ instructions make no sense unless I want to set up a photobucket account. Quoted: Notice you link is way too long and doesn't look like GHPorters. Hotlinked the image. That's the best I can do as the FAQ instructions make no sense unless I want to set up a photobucket account. No way to get around it.
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They look like this... Iranian .30-06 ETA: I suck at linking images. Look at an image of Iranian .30-06. Quoted:
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Egyptian,, have to be 8mm..... measure bullet OD Actual bullet OD = .3067 Case Length = 63mm exactly. Chambers perfectly in a .30-06 Rifle. Primers will not ignite. Do the headstamps look like this: http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss298/thr25/Bunnstempling.jpg (Image borrowed from a member of IAAA here... Or do they look like this: http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r235/Jones1943/MauserEnlarged.jpg (Image borrowed from a different IAAA member here... The first is Iranian, the second Egyptian. They look like this... Iranian .30-06 ETA: I suck at linking images. Look at an image of Iranian .30-06. |
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I would not try to save the powder. Shooting unknown powder is not something I want to try to do.
I do think a simple press mounted collet type bullet puller is pretty fast. If the cases don't have a primer crimp, they should be able to be deprimed and reprimed without having to resize them. Just tumble to clean them up, and reload with powder and new bullet. Resize if you want, but they should be right. Not an expert, but I did this with a large amount of US mil surplus '06 from the Korean War era that I converted to .280 Remington brass. That involves necking them down to .284" and then fire forming the case with mild charge due to the case shoulder needing to be pushed 050" forward, but ultimately worth the effort. I had no use at the time for the ball bullets, but now wish I had kept them, at least some. The powder and bullets both were discarded with the primers. I just wanted the cheap (essentially free) brass. Collet bullet puller worked well for this task. Been a long time ago, but you don't forget that sort of thing. |
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Powder is 47.8 (mean) grains of some kind of square flake.
Bullets range between 150-152grs Cases are Berdan primed with two flash holes. The cartridges come apart pretty easily. It takes only two or three hits from a Frankford Arsenal kinetic puller. As I expected, I will be keeping the projectiles only. |
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