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Posted: 12/27/2014 6:29:52 PM EDT
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I got a lnl AP for Christmas, when I put a shell plate on it. It feels like it is binding up.
How much force does it take to make it index? It runs smooth a butter with no shell plate ? Help if you can. How tight do you tighten the shell plate? |
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I got a lnl AP for Christmas, when I put a shell plate on it. It feels like it is binding up. How much force does it take to make it index? It runs smooth a butter with no shell plate ? Help if you can. How tight do you tighten the shell plate? Just barely tight. You will have to re tighten every 50 rounds or more often. |
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I got a lnl AP for Christmas, when I put a shell plate on it. It feels like it is binding up. How much force does it take to make it index? It runs smooth a butter with no shell plate ? Help if you can. How tight do you tighten the shell plate? Just barely tight. You will have to re tighten every 50 rounds or more often. Get a lock washer on it. Doesnt sound like a shellplate issue but Lock washers are your friend on the LNL. Sounds like a pawl adjustment issue to me. Read that page in the instruction manual. Other thing that binds up the press for me is if primer decap pin isnt quite popping out the primer far enough. Edit: I should add if you do the LNL tuning thing, a tight shellplate can be a problem if you add too thick a shim. However, out of the box, doesnt seem possible unless you are torquing down that bolt. |
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Get a lock washer on it. Doesnt sound like a shellplate issue but Lock washers are your friend on the LNL. Sounds like a pawl adjustment issue to me. Read that page in the instruction manual. Other thing that binds up the press for me is if primer decap pin isnt quite popping out the primer far enough. Edit: I should add if you do the LNL tuning thing, a tight shellplate can be a problem if you add too thick a shim. However, out of the box, doesnt seem possible unless you are torquing down that bolt. Quoted:
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I got a lnl AP for Christmas, when I put a shell plate on it. It feels like it is binding up. How much force does it take to make it index? It runs smooth a butter with no shell plate ? Help if you can. How tight do you tighten the shell plate? Just barely tight. You will have to re tighten every 50 rounds or more often. Get a lock washer on it. Doesnt sound like a shellplate issue but Lock washers are your friend on the LNL. Sounds like a pawl adjustment issue to me. Read that page in the instruction manual. Other thing that binds up the press for me is if primer decap pin isnt quite popping out the primer far enough. Edit: I should add if you do the LNL tuning thing, a tight shellplate can be a problem if you add too thick a shim. However, out of the box, doesnt seem possible unless you are torquing down that bolt. What shim ? The washer that came with the washer for the bolt ? |
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Negative. There is a thread floating around on how to fine tune the LNL AP. Which requires a shim to remove slop, if I remember correctly.
One thing that will also bind up the shell plate is not completely seating a primer. A high primer will rub on the plate carrier and drag the shell plate. Causing a bind. It may not be called a plate carrier. The thing the shell plate bolts to. Just can't recall what it's called. |
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Negative. There is a thread floating around on how to fine tune the LNL AP. Which requires a shim to remove slop, if I remember correctly. One thing that will also bind up the shell plate is not completely seating a primer. A high primer will rub on the plate carrier and drag the shell plate. Causing a bind. It may not be called a plate carrier. The thing the shell plate bolts to. Just can't recall what it's called. Boom! Thats one I forgot.. Very common issue with LNL. Make sure primers are fully seated, OP. I nearly forgot that advice because I have been doing a lot of hand priming because the brand of large primers I have been using lately have not been seating well. There is a "dime trick". Place a dime under the primer plunger (behind ram). It really helps with my small primers. And yes, someone just revived the "How to tune.. " thread which is not related to the OP's issue although some people say it improves primer seating. It didnt help me. |
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Don't know about a shim unless it's the washer used with the bolt that holds the shell plate in, but I'd like to toss in my .02 on this in general.
First, if you're getting significant hanging up, it pretty much has to be either the shell plate index pawls that need adjustment, or the primer mechanism could be hanging up. The pawls are pretty critical for correct operation and may need some fine adjustment even though the press is new (mine did). As an addendum to that point, I found this link below to be VERY informative; better than the LNL AP manual itself. It gave me a better visual understanding of how to adjust the pawls. http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5450659&postcount=36 Second, it is correct that you really, really want to add a lock washer to the shell plate hold down between the bolt head and the flat washer. To tighten, you do NOT need to jam a stop anywhere to hold the shell plate from turning. Just hold the shell plate firmly with your non-wrench hand and tighten the bolt until the shell plate starts to overcome your grip on the hand holding the shell plate. That's it. No more. The lock washer will keep the shell plate snug to where it will work as long as your batch takes without working loose. Third, it is possible that the primer shuttle is hanging up and not going "home". If it stops short (from some kind of trash or binding from metal burrs), the primer seater will hang up on it. Lastly, if the press does operate through all it's motion range and does so reasonably smoothly, then it might be that it's simply new. My press feels that way and it works great through all it's processes. Being smooth, but draggy, would mean that it's just in great shape with no slop in the ram or rotating mechanism. Just for the heck of it, try cleaning off the ram with One Shot Cleaner & Dry Lube, and then use the zircs to inject fresh grease in all of them. Note that you grease the ram zirc with the press in the up position so that the grease will squeeze into and around the groove in the lower part of the ram. There are a lot of setup and usage videos online about the LNL AP, but I found the several that this guy (Bill Morgan) did to be quite helpful even though the guy himself is a bit annoying (maybe that's just me). Here's the first one, so you should be able to find the subsequent ones he did on the LNL AP in the list that comes up on the right side of the screen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qC1O5FzSCA |
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1. Remove the shell plate and put the bolt back in and tighten.
2. Now operate the press. If tight remove your priming system parts. 3. Operate operate press. 4. If still tight call Hornady. If smooth then Proceed with step 5 5. Install shell plate and finger tighten bolt. 6. Operate press if smooth go to step 7. If tight call Hornady. 7. Tighten shell plate bolt with wrench. 8. Operate press. If tight call Hornady. If smooth continue to step 9. 9. Install retainer spring around shell plate. If tight check that you have it installed properly. If smooth go to step 10. 10. Install one piece of brass and operate. If tight make sure you have the correct shell plate for your caliber then go to step 11. If smooth go to step 12. 11. Remove empty brass and put a factory round in shell plate. If tight call Hornady. If smooth go to step 12. 12. Reinstall primer system. if tight read through tuning LnL AP press thread. If smooth. You are god to go. Before doing the above diagnosis make sure the shell plate is the correct one for caliber and your press. The older presses take a different shell plate. You may have the wrong shell plate for your press design. Also make sure you thoroughly clean the press and lube it according to Hornady. I suggested you call Hornady because it sounds like you have a new press. If the problem is with the press and not you then let them handle it. If you bought the press used then of course you need to fix the problem but using the above steps you will know where the problem is. There are some awesome videos on You Tube that really help. The tuning the press thread here is great too. I used that and got my press singing like a champ. Let us know what you find. |
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I haven't starting reload yet. Was trying to get it set up. So no primers no bullets just a few pieces of brass The brass doesn't eject either . I'm lost as to what's wrong. Is there any difference in force needed w/out brass and dies in place, or it feels 'off' like that, as well? |
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I haven't starting reload yet. Was trying to get it set up. So no primers no bullets just a few pieces of brass The brass doesn't eject either . I'm lost as to what's wrong. Is there any difference in force needed w/out brass and dies in place, or it feels 'off' like that, as well? I've just setting it up for the first time. Was trying to get the timing set with a shell plate. I think I might have been over tighten the plate |
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I haven't starting reload yet. Was trying to get it set up. So no primers no bullets just a few pieces of brass The brass doesn't eject either . I'm lost as to what's wrong. Is there any difference in force needed w/out brass and dies in place, or it feels 'off' like that, as well? I've just setting it up for the first time. Was trying to get the timing set with a shell plate. I think I might have been over tighten the plate Not sure you could really overtighten it that much to cause binding. I'd also look at the pawl adjustment. The LNL AP is a pretty smooth press, you surely won't need to force anything during the reloading process. |
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Don't know if OP saw this http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/414607_How_to_tune_the_Hornady_Lock_N_Load_AP_progressive_press.html Good luck with your new press.
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Got it ejecting. Cleaned eveything I think the shell plate is rubbing a little, put a little more lithium grease on the balls and it smoothed out some. I've got the timing set now Your shellplate/ram sound really tight. Sounds to me like you will NOT need to do the Hornady tuning mentioned a few times in this thread. If you add any shims, it will just make it tighter. The purpose of the tuning is to tighten the ram/shellplate connection. Still a recommendation for a lock washer above the shellplate washer is a huge help. The shell plate bolt loosens as you go. There is no other good way to tighten it. Don't use locktite or anything crazy. You will know it's starting to get loose when the primers are not seating right. You did grease the fittings, right? If you don't have a grease gun (as I didnt), Home Depot has a mini grease gun kit (link) for relatively cheap. Not sure if that's the same kit I got. Mine came with a few tubes of various grease types. You don't need a ton.And get a bag of lock washers while you are there! Two other quick tips: 1. Dime trick as I mentioned earlier. Doesn't hurt anything. Do it. 2. When you install the primer plunger (screw into bottom of shellplate), use a small wrench and give it some torque. Tighter the better. It really helps with seating the primer deeper. Good luck! |
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1. Remove the shell plate and put the bolt back in and tighten. 2. Now operate the press. If tight remove your priming system parts. 3. Operate operate press. 4. If still tight call Hornady. If smooth then Proceed with step 5 5. Install shell plate and finger tighten bolt. 6. Operate press if smooth go to step 7. If tight call Hornady. 7. Tighten shell plate bolt with wrench. 8. Operate press. If tight call Hornady. If smooth continue to step 9. 9. Install retainer spring around shell plate. If tight check that you have it installed properly. If smooth go to step 10. 10. Install one piece of brass and operate. If tight make sure you have the correct shell plate for your caliber then go to step 11. If smooth go to step 12. 11. Remove empty brass and put a factory round in shell plate. If tight call Hornady. If smooth go to step 12. 12. Reinstall primer system. if tight read through tuning LnL AP press thread. If smooth. You are god to go. Before doing the above diagnosis make sure the shell plate is the correct one for caliber and your press. The older presses take a different shell plate. You may have the wrong shell plate for your press design. Also make sure you thoroughly clean the press and lube it according to Hornady. I suggested you call Hornady because it sounds like you have a new press. If the problem is with the press and not you then let them handle it. If you bought the press used then of course you need to fix the problem but using the above steps you will know where the problem is. There are some awesome videos on You Tube that really help. The tuning the press thread here is great too. I used that and got my press singing like a champ. Let us know what you find. This is a great list. OP - did you go through the above steps in order? Status/results? |
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Ok I went though the steps , put a little more grease on the balls and some dry lube on the plate where the balls ride.
it was still stiff but after loading 100 or so rounds it started moving better. I still have a small timing issue , it jumps to the next index mark. About 1/16 of an inch. Not sure if I can tune it out or not |
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Ok I went though the steps , put a little more grease on the balls and some dry lube on the plate where the balls ride. it was still stiff but after loading 100 or so rounds it started moving better. I still have a small timing issue , it jumps to the next index mark. About 1/16 of an inch. Not sure if I can tune it out or not You can adjust the pawls to get it working perfect. Watch Youtube videos on how to do it. Very simple. The key is to turn them a very little bit at a time. My press was too loose when I got it and powder was spilling when it index from the slop. I shimmed my press and then the timing was off. I adjusted the timing in about 2 minutes. Works like a charm now. I can even prime on it too. That was an issue before as the primers would not seat fully and sometimes a case would not have a primer which made a mess and pissed me off. I was priming them separately for a while. I was even contemplating switching to Dillon but decided to try and adjust this press first. Glad I did as it now works excellent. |
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