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Posted: 11/28/2014 10:17:52 PM EDT
| Need some help from the LNL experts. I am struggling with the press locking up when I am depriming. I am using a universal decaping die only preping for wet tumbling. The upstroke is fine but the down stroke as the turret rotates it locks up line the primer is stock between the shell plate and the tube. I have checked the timing it seems Ok... the pin in the die is set as low as possible.... I need some help its getting really frustrating. |
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Need some help from the LNL experts. I am struggling with the press locking up when I am depriming. I am using a universal decaping die only preping for wet tumbling. The upstroke is fine but the down stroke as the turret rotates it locks up line the primer is stock between the shell plate and the tube. I have checked the timing it seems Ok... the pin in the die is set as low as possible.... I need some help its getting really frustrating. Sounds like the pin on the decapping rod isn't down far enough, but you checked that. Try turning the entire die down so it touches the shell plate. I'm sure you have checked just to make sure the "drain hole" below the primer is clear. Recheck your timing but use a sizing die. When the press is at standstill, the primer dispensing hole in the base should be in the center of the case cut out of the shell plate. Put a lubed case in. On the upstroke as the case is entering the die there should be no hang ups (make sure your case is lubed when testing it!) If it hits either side, adjust the timing a little at a time. My thought is two fold. Either the pin isn't pushing the primer all of the way out or the edge of the pimer is getting caught on the edge of the dispensing hole allowing the depriming pin to punch the primer out at an angle, sliding past it, but not completely removing it. |
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Are these small primers? Is it possible the primer is grabbing onto the decapping pin rather than falling away? I bought the the spring loaded decapping pin for my small pistol decapping to solve the problem of the primers not falling away; they would jam in the place you describe. The spring loaded pin flicks them off.
This is for RCBS dies. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/572794/rcbs-powr-punch-decapping-rod |
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It was to nice this weekend to reload... It was a range day instead!
I did get a chance to look at it today for a couple of minutes. I ran the press around and around as far as I can tell the shell plate is indexing as it should. I did notice when i short stroked the press it did not index correctly (DUH). So now i am thinking possibly the decaping die is set to low and the press is not indexing correctly? The pin is set out as far as i can set it and it still does it. Has anyone ever had a issue with the copper tube causing a issue? I have also had this issue when i ran some gun show brass though the press. I was sizing and depriming in the same run. But still had the same problem... the pin is set as low as possible also. |
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Are these small primers? Is it possible the primer is grabbing onto the decapping pin rather than falling away? I bought the the spring loaded decapping pin for my small pistol decapping to solve the problem of the primers not falling away; they would jam in the place you describe. The spring loaded pin flicks them off. This is for RCBS dies. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/572794/rcbs-powr-punch-decapping-rod YES! Everything I do is small pistol and small rifle. I will look into that pin might be soimething to try! Does it work with a Hornady? |
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Are these small primers? Is it possible the primer is grabbing onto the decapping pin rather than falling away? I bought the the spring loaded decapping pin for my small pistol decapping to solve the problem of the primers not falling away; they would jam in the place you describe. The spring loaded pin flicks them off. This is for RCBS dies. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/572794/rcbs-powr-punch-decapping-rod YES! Everything I do is small pistol and small rifle. I will look into that pin might be soimething to try! Does it work with a Hornady? It is made for/by RCBS for RCBS dies so you would probably have to use it with an RCBS sizing die. Don't look like it is even long enough to modify for the Lee universal Decapping die. I believe Dillon dies have this as well. You could get this RCBS "UNIVERSAL" DECAPPER for $20 with spring loaded decapping rod for $8 but they wont work with .223 so not real universal. I personally never had a problem with .223(small rifle primers) only small pistol primers. What is happening has nothing to do with the tube as long as it is free of obstructions, the primer grabs on to the decapping pin rather than falling away down the tube then on the way down as the pin come back out of the flash hole the primer gets pulled back into the primer pocket just enough to overcome gravity maybe a bit more, then at about 80% of the way down the shell plate starts to rotate but the primer is hanging down into the tube and partially seated in the pocket so the shell plate cannot rotate. |
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It is made for/by RCBS for RCBS dies so you would probably have to use it with an RCBS sizing die. Don't look like it is even long enough to modify for the Lee universal Decapping die. I believe Dillon dies have this as well. You could get this RCBS "UNIVERSAL" DECAPPER for $20 with spring loaded decapping rod for $8 but they wont work with .223 so not real universal. I personally never had a problem with .223(small rifle primers) only small pistol primers. What is happening has nothing to do with the tube as long as it is free of obstructions, the primer grabs on to the decapping pin rather than falling away down the tube then on the way down as the pin come back out of the flash hole the primer gets pulled back into the primer pocket just enough to overcome gravity maybe a bit more, then at about 80% of the way down the shell plate starts to rotate but the primer is hanging down into the tube and partially seated in the pocket so the shell plate cannot rotate. Quoted:
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Are these small primers? Is it possible the primer is grabbing onto the decapping pin rather than falling away? I bought the the spring loaded decapping pin for my small pistol decapping to solve the problem of the primers not falling away; they would jam in the place you describe. The spring loaded pin flicks them off. This is for RCBS dies. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/572794/rcbs-powr-punch-decapping-rod YES! Everything I do is small pistol and small rifle. I will look into that pin might be soimething to try! Does it work with a Hornady? It is made for/by RCBS for RCBS dies so you would probably have to use it with an RCBS sizing die. Don't look like it is even long enough to modify for the Lee universal Decapping die. I believe Dillon dies have this as well. You could get this RCBS "UNIVERSAL" DECAPPER for $20 with spring loaded decapping rod for $8 but they wont work with .223 so not real universal. I personally never had a problem with .223(small rifle primers) only small pistol primers. What is happening has nothing to do with the tube as long as it is free of obstructions, the primer grabs on to the decapping pin rather than falling away down the tube then on the way down as the pin come back out of the flash hole the primer gets pulled back into the primer pocket just enough to overcome gravity maybe a bit more, then at about 80% of the way down the shell plate starts to rotate but the primer is hanging down into the tube and partially seated in the pocket so the shell plate cannot rotate. Thank you for the info. I will look into this by disassembling the press the next time I start having issues. My 9mm dies just happen to be RCBS so I could pick up a pin to try for that set of dies.... That doesnt fix the problem but it might start leading me into a path of fixing the problem with the Hornady decaping die. |
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Thank you for the info. I will look into this by disassembling the press the next time I start having issues. My 9mm dies just happen to be RCBS so I could pick up a pin to try for that set of dies.... That doesnt fix the problem but it might start leading me into a path of fixing the problem with the Hornady decaping die. Quoted:
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Are these small primers? Is it possible the primer is grabbing onto the decapping pin rather than falling away? I bought the the spring loaded decapping pin for my small pistol decapping to solve the problem of the primers not falling away; they would jam in the place you describe. The spring loaded pin flicks them off. This is for RCBS dies. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/572794/rcbs-powr-punch-decapping-rod YES! Everything I do is small pistol and small rifle. I will look into that pin might be soimething to try! Does it work with a Hornady? It is made for/by RCBS for RCBS dies so you would probably have to use it with an RCBS sizing die. Don't look like it is even long enough to modify for the Lee universal Decapping die. I believe Dillon dies have this as well. You could get this RCBS "UNIVERSAL" DECAPPER for $20 with spring loaded decapping rod for $8 but they wont work with .223 so not real universal. I personally never had a problem with .223(small rifle primers) only small pistol primers. What is happening has nothing to do with the tube as long as it is free of obstructions, the primer grabs on to the decapping pin rather than falling away down the tube then on the way down as the pin come back out of the flash hole the primer gets pulled back into the primer pocket just enough to overcome gravity maybe a bit more, then at about 80% of the way down the shell plate starts to rotate but the primer is hanging down into the tube and partially seated in the pocket so the shell plate cannot rotate. Thank you for the info. I will look into this by disassembling the press the next time I start having issues. My 9mm dies just happen to be RCBS so I could pick up a pin to try for that set of dies.... That doesnt fix the problem but it might start leading me into a path of fixing the problem with the Hornady decaping die. There is nothing to disassemble,it should be obvious. Move decapper to another station ,raise the ram slowly, see that decapping pin touches the base plate before ram is all the way to the top this way you know the primer will be fully removed from case. Drop spent primers down tube to see that it is clear. Remove decapper, raise ram to top, eye-ball down through bushing hole to see the shell plate slot, spent primer hole and bushing hole are all aligned. See that decapping pin is tight in die. There is nothing left to be wrong, no need to take anything apart if the press functions fine with no case. If the primer falls it cannot jam anything, if it isn't falling the pin isn't low enough or it is pulling the primer back into the pocket. |
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I've had this happen with my LnL, and I forgot who, but one of the wise members here pointed me in the direction of looking at the end of the decapping pin to make sure there isn't a burr on the pin that's grabbing the spent primer and pulling it back up as Popnfresh is describing.
A bit of rounding out the pin with an emery board and my problem disappeared. Good luck! |
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Similar to the previous comment. I had the same issue with 9mm cases of various manufacture and after endless and frustrating die and pin adjustments, a commenter on another forum responded that he had also run into this problem. The issue was that the decap pin was sticking in the spent primer and pulling it back up to the case where it would hang up cycling. The recommendation was to lightly file a bevel into the end of the pin. So, I reset the die to spec and then filed a slight bevel, with no success, and then filed a bit more and, like magic, I've had no further problems.
I hope this will work for you like it did for me! |
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I've had this happen with my LnL, and I forgot who, but one of the wise members here pointed me in the direction of looking at the end of the decapping pin to make sure there isn't a burr on the pin that's grabbing the spent primer and pulling it back up as Popnfresh is describing. A bit of rounding out the pin with an emery board and my problem disappeared. Good luck! Same here. I dont decap on my LnL as I prefer to keep it clean. I had some issues with it catching on some 40 brass as I decap. I just knocked the shoulder on the pin for my Lee Universal down with a file (makes it easier to decap 5.56/223) and smoothed the edge of the end of the pin slightly. |
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Let me share an interesting story.. My LnL has produced probably 50k rounds. Recently, after it had been sitting idle for a few months I tried loading some rounds. Even thou it seemed to be indexing ok, it was sluggish and wouldn't fully engage the detents depending on what I was doing. Hung decapped primers were one symptom.
Long story short, I had to disassemble the ram and clean things- over time loose powder had fallen into the baseplate and gummed up the internal indexing cylinder to the point it was getting bound up. |
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Let me share an interesting story.. My LnL has produced probably 50k rounds. Recently, after it had been sitting idle for a few months I tried loading some rounds. Even thou it seemed to be indexing ok, it was sluggish and wouldn't fully engage the detents depending on what I was doing. Hung decapped primers were one symptom. Long story short, I had to disassemble the ram and clean things- over time loose powder had fallen into the baseplate and gummed up the internal indexing cylinder to the point it was getting bound up. Press isn't that old. Was bought in June and and has light use since. Thanks for the reply. |
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Happens to me sometimes, I usually spin and wiggle the piece of brass then it will free up, but happens infrequently enough that it is just mildly annoying. I'm suspecting it's certain pieces of brass but havent really investigated This is more than mildly annoying.... its every few rounds and really slows done the process. |
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Happens to me sometimes, I usually spin and wiggle the piece of brass then it will free up, but happens infrequently enough that it is just mildly annoying. I'm suspecting it's certain pieces of brass but havent really investigated This is more than mildly annoying.... its every few rounds and really slows done the process. Yes, much more than mildly. I found myself enraged by it which is why I didn't even bother with the modifying the pins(which many have luck with), I didn't want to mess around so I went for the spring loaded pin. I expect my shit to run smooth, trouble free and efficient, I want things to go as fast as possible in the operations that don't require time. Decapping 3 cases a minute doesn't produce any better ammo than decapped cases done at 50 cases per minute. |
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