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10/21/2014 1:30:17 PM EDT
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/10/imr-introduces-new-enduron-powders-4166-4451-7977/

All Extruded...

“The new IMR Enduron™ Technology powders will be available at dealers in early 2015 in 1-pound and 8-pound containers.

IMR 4166 is the first in the series of Enduron™ propellants. It’s a perfect burn speed for cartridges like the 308 Win/7.62mm NATO, 22-250 Remington, 257 Roberts and dozens more.

IMR 4451 Another new Enduron powder that gives top performance in the venerable .30-06, 270 Winchester, and 300 Winchester Short Magnum, to name just a few. This propellant is ideally suited for many mid-range burn speed cartridges.

IMR 7977 is the slowest burn rate Enduron Technology powder. It is a true magnum cartridge propellant with outstanding performance in such cartridges as the .300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm Remington Magnum, .338 Lapua and more."



10/21/2014 2:53:27 PM EDT
[#1]
Nice Find !!  Very interesting... I hope load data is available soon !


I take that last statement back .... It is on Hodgdons Website !!!
10/21/2014 4:06:37 PM EDT
[#2]
The write  up at the link seems like IMR is "playing catch up" with Hodgdon's Extreme powders.

Is there something unique in the new powders?
10/21/2014 4:33:01 PM EDT
[#3]
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The write  up at the link seems like IMR is "playing catch up" with Hodgdon's Extreme powders.
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IMR powders come from Hodgdon anyway, right?   Why would they need to catch up?
10/21/2014 4:59:07 PM EDT
[#4]
Extruded

They can keep it.
10/21/2014 5:18:48 PM EDT
[#5]
Just checked Hodgdon's site and looks like there is already data. The 4166 looks to be a hair slower than 8208, but faster than Varget.
10/21/2014 5:51:58 PM EDT
[#6]
4166 could be a good load for mk262 loads

I will def be picking some up to try in my .308 too
10/21/2014 6:05:05 PM EDT
[#7]
Hodgdon DISTRIBUTES POWDER (under the brand names of Hodgdon, IMR, and Winchester)....Whereas General Dynamics makes powder and their made for Hodgdon ... CFE line powder comes from....oh wait a minute.....it is probably more assuredly General Dynamics St Marks Powderthat is using their technology in a different plant, oh wait a minute...... General Dymanics  Canada

Two places in USA make powder.....Radford Arsenal VA which was run by ATK / Hercules for long time now BAE is the operator....and St Marks in FL
10/21/2014 6:27:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Will it be more/less unobtanium than any other powder???

Srsly, Powder companies DO NOT need to be producing new powders at this time.
Powder companies need to be exploring ways to produce MORE powder in the existing lines for the foreseeable future!
10/21/2014 6:41:44 PM EDT
[#9]
Explains the cover on Gun Digest Reloading then.  It was being talked about 2 weeks ago on accurateshooter.com
10/21/2014 7:07:30 PM EDT
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Eh. I've had several instances where extruded produced better accuracy.

And I've never noticed any significant decrease in charge accuracy as long

as its a short cut.
10/21/2014 7:41:39 PM EDT
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Will it be more/less unobtanium than any other powder???

Srsly, Powder companies DO NOT need to be producing new powders at this time.
Powder companies need to be exploring ways to produce MORE powder in the existing lines for the foreseeable future!
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Frankly , it would probably be more available.... since they have probably already produced a far amount, that and it is a new product they want to push.
10/21/2014 7:42:24 PM EDT
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More For Us !!
10/21/2014 9:00:02 PM EDT
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IMR powders come from Hodgdon anyway, right?   Why would they need to catch up?
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The write  up at the link seems like IMR is "playing catch up" with Hodgdon's Extreme powders.


IMR powders come from Hodgdon anyway, right?   Why would they need to catch up?


Why?  Because the powders marketed under the IMR label do not have the characteristics of the Hodgdon "Extreme" series.

10/21/2014 9:02:51 PM EDT
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Will it be more/less unobtanium than any other powder???

Srsly, Powder companies DO NOT need to be producing new powders at this time.
Powder companies need to be exploring ways to produce MORE powder in the existing lines for the foreseeable future!
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Ivy-Mike, you have hit the nail right on the head.  Now, this might still be goods news if this is a new source of supply coming on line (which might account for the different characteristics).
10/21/2014 9:14:09 PM EDT
[#15]
The 4166 powder, in particular, looks like it could be very useful for my .223 and .308 reloading purposes. I wonder how well it compares to IMR-4895 or 4064 (or even varget or reloader 15, for that matter)?
10/21/2014 10:06:12 PM EDT
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I'll keep it.  
10/22/2014 5:12:19 AM EDT
[#17]
Heck I haven't even seen CFE pistol yet so it will prob be  year's  before I can buy any locally.  Looks interestingly. Absolutely nothing wrong with extruded especially If it's short cut.  My favorite is xbr so if it's anything like xbr or re15 I'll be happy.

All new powders seem to be primarily ball type powders wich for strictly mass produced ammo on progresive that's fine but most all my bench rest stuff is extruded type with exception of a few ball powders.

I really don't understand why so many loaders hate extruded, I have a hunch those are same people that never learned on single stage nor even own one.
Even the long extruded stuff has a purpose. Hand trickled, auto powder drop is your friend.

It's good to see R&D  has remained priority during the shortage. That's good thing. People have understand  theirs a fine line between meeting production and creating more interest and staying competitive.


Safe shooting!






10/22/2014 7:37:55 AM EDT
[#18]
Short extruded for me! (550B): XBR and H322
10/22/2014 5:28:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Part of the basic description of the Enduron line is that the powders are small grain extruded powders, so the "I don't use extruded powders because they give me problems with my powder measure" response isn't warranted.

Enduron Technology features a built in copper fouling eliminator, insensitivity to temperature extremes, small sized grains for easy flow with an ideal loading density, and there are no ingredients considered harmful to the environment.
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(from the more complete version of the IMR press release found on Ammoland.com)
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