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Posted: 11/27/2013 4:31:06 PM EDT
| I have 1000 9mm copperized bullets I want to load up. they are 125 grn. from national bullet co. which went out of business a while ago. Does anyone have some starting points or loads that work well for them. I read that 5.6 grns. of AA#2 works good but that seems like it would be a compressed load and I have never played with compressed loads before. In a 9mm case 5.6 grns. of #2 comes pretty close to the top of the case. I am shooting these just because I have them and plan on shooting them from several glocks with lone wolf barrels. What says the hive? |
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I have 1000 9mm copperized bullets I want to load up. they are 125 grn. from national bullet co. which went out of business a while ago. Does anyone have some starting points or loads that work well for them. I read that 5.6 grns. of AA#2 works good but that seems like it would be a compressed load and I have never played with compressed loads before. In a 9mm case 5.6 grns. of #2 comes pretty close to the top of the case. I am shooting these just because I have them and plan on shooting them from several glocks with lone wolf barrels. What says the hive? Do you have any loading manuals? If Not, get some and also go to the powder manufacturers web sites for free load data. LOADING 5.6gr of AA #2 with a 125gr bullet in a 9mm will blow the hell out of that pistol and most likely separate you from some of your favorite body parts. |
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Do you have any loading manuals? If Not, get some and also go to the powder manufacturers web sites for free load data. LOADING 5.6gr of AA #2 with a 125gr bullet in a 9mm will blow the hell out of that pistol and most likely separate you from some of your favorite body parts. Ya I thought that was to hot thats why I am asking. I have three different load books but nothing for a "copperized bullet" plus I never played with #2 I just know its a fast burner. Quoted:
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I have 1000 9mm copperized bullets I want to load up. they are 125 grn. from national bullet co. which went out of business a while ago. Does anyone have some starting points or loads that work well for them. I read that 5.6 grns. of AA#2 works good but that seems like it would be a compressed load and I have never played with compressed loads before. In a 9mm case 5.6 grns. of #2 comes pretty close to the top of the case. I am shooting these just because I have them and plan on shooting them from several glocks with lone wolf barrels. What says the hive? Do you have any loading manuals? If Not, get some and also go to the powder manufacturers web sites for free load data. LOADING 5.6gr of AA #2 with a 125gr bullet in a 9mm will blow the hell out of that pistol and most likely separate you from some of your favorite body parts. Ya I thought that was to hot thats why I am asking. I have three different load books but nothing for a "copperized bullet" plus I never played with #2 I just know its a fast burner. |
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I've been using plated bullets (124 grain HPs) in my 9MM guns with no issues. Berry's and Rainiers. The Rainiers give me noticeably better groups. The Rainiers are even working for me in my M31 with the Wolf barrel.
I've been using AA#5 in the 9MM and .357 SIG calibers. You know you can get reloading info on line. Just go to the Hogden powder company website. They have loads listed for Hogden powder, Winchester powder and another "brand". You can also look up Accurate Arms (your AA powder) loads on their website. http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/WP_LoadSpec_7-2-13.pdf |
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never heard of a "Copperized" bullet. If I had to guess I would call it a "Plated" bullet. Quoted:
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I know I can look up the powder loads but my question is on the "Copperized bullets" they are niether plated or lead never heard of a "Copperized" bullet. If I had to guess I would call it a "Plated" bullet. National Bullet made them and it look like a lead bullet with a copper coating sprayed on. I am not looking for performance out of these just some fun shooting rounds |
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Not rocket science. First google hit shows they're 'copper washed' which isn't as strong/thick as plated. Use lead data.
Discussion on Nat'l bullet copper washed projectiles Where exactly did you get your load figure of 5.6 grains from? Link to AA already given, 124gr Lead RN for AA#2: Min 3.0 Max: 3.8, plated up to 4.4 or 4.6gr max The absolute highest max load for AA#2 with a 90 grain projectile is still well under your 5.6gr, so again, where did you get 5.6 from? Saying 'they aren't plated nor lead' should still tell you - they aren't jacketed either, so start below jacketed loads at the very least. |
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Well thank you, here is the link I found and I am not saying I was going to try 5.6grns I said its all I saw when I looked, that seemed like a bad load to me so ya sorry for asking.
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I bought a few thousand of them in 45 a long time ago, for all practical purposes they are a cast bullet, they are copper washed much like the copper washed 22 bullets, its not much of a coating, it is in NO WAY comparable to a plated bullet. Its better to think of them as a copper colored cast lead bullet. I was happy with them, but when I got ready to reorder from National Bullet I heard the company had gone to pot, was ripping off their customers etc, I had good service from them previously. |
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Well thank you, here is the link I found and I am not saying I was going to try 5.6grns I said its all I saw when I looked, that seemed like a bad load to me so ya sorry for asking. link That "LINK" load is for a Ruger GP100 38 Special, NOT a 9mm. |
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That "LINK" load is for a Ruger GP100 38 Special, NOT a 9mm. Quoted:
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Well thank you, here is the link I found and I am not saying I was going to try 5.6grns I said its all I saw when I looked, that seemed like a bad load to me so ya sorry for asking. link That "LINK" load is for a Ruger GP100 38 Special, NOT a 9mm. I am in no way familiar with 38special, is he loading 9mm heads on 38 specials? I didn't read that right the first time. |
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I am in no way familiar with 38special, is he loading 9mm heads on 38 specials? I didn't read that right the first time. Quoted:
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Well thank you, here is the link I found and I am not saying I was going to try 5.6grns I said its all I saw when I looked, that seemed like a bad load to me so ya sorry for asking. link That "LINK" load is for a Ruger GP100 38 Special, NOT a 9mm. I am in no way familiar with 38special, is he loading 9mm heads on 38 specials? I didn't read that right the first time. From your link. Topic: good 38 special loads? ....i have been fooling around with a ruger GP100 ... http://www.ruger.com/products/gp100/models.html ...125 grain national bullet company 9mm copperized round nose with 5.7 grains of AA#2. This load shot surprisingly well considering the bullet was 2 thou undersize. ... The 38 Special uses a .357 diameter bullet, the 9 mm uses a .355 diameter bullet, hence his comment "2 Thou Undersized". They are not "Heads" they are bullets. Proper terminology will help you become less confused and on your way to Safer reloading. |
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Well thank you, here is the link I found and I am not saying I was going to try 5.6grns I said its all I saw when I looked, that seemed like a bad load to me so ya sorry for asking. link use lead bullet data from Accurate Powders use powder or bullet manufacturer data to keep you out of trouble http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/WP_LoadSpec_7-2-13.pdf 124 (L) LC RN 3.0g min 895fps 3.8g max 1,012fps 34,794psi 1.050oal |
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I used tens of thousands of the National Bullet in 45acp.
The copper wash is very much like what is used on a 22 rimfire bullet, no jacket or plate. Anyway the rule on these was use lead bullet data, the high end of the data worked fine for me. The 45s I used were 200gr semi-wadcutters and they had wax lube ring just like a lead semi-wadcutter of the Gibbs design leaving the usual crud wax produces but no leading. |
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National Bullet made them and it look like a lead bullet with a copper coating sprayed on. I am not looking for performance out of these just some fun shooting rounds Quoted:
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I know I can look up the powder loads but my question is on the "Copperized bullets" they are niether plated or lead never heard of a "Copperized" bullet. If I had to guess I would call it a "Plated" bullet. National Bullet made them and it look like a lead bullet with a copper coating sprayed on. I am not looking for performance out of these just some fun shooting rounds I think you just answered your own question, use data that's for lead bullets. |
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Well thank you, here is the link I found and I am not saying I was going to try 5.6grns I said its all I saw when I looked, that seemed like a bad load to me so ya sorry for asking. link The link is for a Ruger GP100, which is a .357 Magnum. Not exactly apples to apples with your 9mm. Like Dryflash stated, no one's sorry you asked; more like concerned that it seems that you don't have any actual reloading books with published loads, and it seems you're looking for 'random Internet load data' (which may be incredibly dangerous..e.g. loading for a .357 or 9mm Major custom gun...with a production 9mm..) versus load data found from the manufacturer, etc. If that's not the case, then my apologies, but that 5.6 load is nearly a double charge for your gun and those projectiles that it shouldn't be a surprising reaction, IMO. A little bit of being detail oriented (hey, what's a GP100? What's the normal load data range look like for cast and for jacketed?) can help keep you out of danger (e.g. considering such a high load at all). I'm going to be shooting some Xtreme projectiles for the first time, so asked on a different board as they're plated, but supposed to be able to run at jacketed velocities. My load data has little overlap between the two for 9mm, so I certainly asked for some clarification of what load data was being used by those shooting them...but didn't start the post mentioning a near double charge vs the data I already had. Anyways, hope you understand why people are a bit 'surprised' as well as my reaction on this one; hope you got what you needed to load [b]safely[/n] for your gun. |
| I did a google search for "copperized 9mm bullet loads" and that what I got. I knew from my lymans book that seemed way off. I asked in case I missed something, also I have never used #2 before but was given a pound by a friend. So although I enjoy the lectures I did not and will not load 5.6grns. in fact I already tried a 3.0 & 3.2 grain loads. I am sorry I missed that it was not a 9mm load but I was aware that the load seemed wrong thats why I asked. I was not sure what load data to use in lymans book but I thought that LRN data was what I wanted and wanted to confirm. |
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I have 1000 9mm copperized bullets I want to load up. they are 125 grn. from national bullet co. which went out of business a while ago. Does anyone have some starting points or loads that work well for them. I read that 5.6 grns. of AA#2 works good but that seems like it would be a compressed load and I have never played with compressed loads before. In a 9mm case 5.6 grns. of #2 comes pretty close to the top of the case. I am shooting these just because I have them and plan on shooting them from several glocks with lone wolf barrels. What says the hive? That sounds way, WAY too hot. I'd grab the load data from accurate and load as lead. |
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