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10/21/2013 11:31:14 AM EDT
Would one of you guys with the Quickload program check out the pressure for this load for me?

65gr Gameking

25.9gr Tac

1 x LC brass

2.255 oal

20" Blackhole barrel w/ 5.56 chamber

Loaded and shot five of these without noticable pressure signs. I know I am getting near max, but I would like to know an approximate chamber pressure.

Thanks.
10/21/2013 11:54:53 AM EDT
[#1]
 Cartridge          : 5.56 mm NATO - 5.56 x 45 mm

Bullet             : .224, 65, Sierra SPBT 1395
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.255 inch or 57.28 mm
Barrel Length      : 20.0 inch or 508.0 mm
Powder             : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
%       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    20.72   2378     817   29606   6934     84.2    1.240
-18.0   82    21.24   2438     858   31637   7172     85.6    1.206
-16.0   83    21.76   2498     901   33812   7405     87.0    1.174
-14.0   85    22.27   2559     945   36143   7633     88.3    1.142
-12.0   87    22.79   2619     990   38642   7855     89.5    1.108
-10.0   89    23.31   2680    1036   41324   8071     90.7    1.075
-08.0   91    23.83   2740    1084   44196   8278     91.9    1.043
-06.0   93    24.35   2801    1133   47250   8478     92.9    1.012
-04.0   95    24.86   2862    1183   50517   8667     93.9    0.982
-02.0   97    25.38   2923    1234   54026   8847     94.9    0.953  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   99    25.90   2985    1286   57798   9016     95.7    0.925  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  101    26.42   3046    1339   61857   9172     96.5    0.898  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  103    26.94   3107    1393   66230   9316     97.2    0.872  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  105    27.45   3168    1448   70949   9447     97.9    0.847  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  107    27.97   3229    1505   76048   9563     98.4    0.822  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  109    28.49   3290    1562   81567   9665     98.9    0.799  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     99    25.90   3135    1418   68922   9062     99.4    0.858  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     99    25.90   2792    1125   47085   8563     88.5    1.011
10/21/2013 12:48:08 PM EDT
[#2]
Here is a link to the Ramshot Loading Guide 5.0

For .223 Pressures
Max is 24.3 grs
OAL 2.210"

For 5.56 Pressures
Max is 26.3 grs
OAL 2.210"

You're loading out to a longer OAL so that will lower pressure some. According to the reloading info from Ramshot you can go up to 26.3 grs estimated velocity of 3184 fps out of 24" barrel. So, actual velocity will be a little lower than that with the 20" barrel.
10/21/2013 1:25:33 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks steve.

I had the Ramshot data, I knew I was getting close to max. I was just wanting to get an idea of how close.
10/21/2013 2:19:14 PM EDT
[#4]
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Here is a link to the Ramshot Loading Guide 5.0

For .223 Pressures
Max is 24.3 grs
OAL 2.210"

For 5.56 Pressures
Max is 26.3 grs
OAL 2.210"

You're loading out to a longer OAL so that will lower pressure some. According to the reloading info from Ramshot you can go up to 26.3 grs estimated velocity of 3184 fps out of 24" barrel. So, actual velocity will be a little lower than that with the 20" barrel.
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On the contrary, loading longer will increase pressure in a bottle necked rifle round, not decrease it.    The longer the OAL the shorter the jump to the lands, the shorter the jump the higher the pressure.
10/21/2013 2:49:47 PM EDT
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On the contrary, loading longer will increase pressure in a bottle necked rifle round, not decrease it.    The longer the OAL the shorter the jump to the lands, the shorter the jump the higher the pressure.
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Here is a link to the Ramshot Loading Guide 5.0

For .223 Pressures
Max is 24.3 grs
OAL 2.210"

For 5.56 Pressures
Max is 26.3 grs
OAL 2.210"

You're loading out to a longer OAL so that will lower pressure some. According to the reloading info from Ramshot you can go up to 26.3 grs estimated velocity of 3184 fps out of 24" barrel. So, actual velocity will be a little lower than that with the 20" barrel.


On the contrary, loading longer will increase pressure in a bottle necked rifle round, not decrease it.    The longer the OAL the shorter the jump to the lands, the shorter the jump the higher the pressure.


Well if you are jammed into the rifling I can see this happening. Playing with quickload you can see the pressure drop when you increase the OAL. That is until you jam the round into the rifling. The 6.8 SPC guys always load long to reduce pressure so they can get a little more powder in the case.
10/22/2013 2:48:47 AM EDT
[#6]
One of the problems with QL is it cannot calculate the distance to the lands or when you are into the lands.


The 6.8 guys redesigned the chamber after Rem screwed it up.  They increased the length of the throat to give the bullet a longer jump to reduce pressures.  Same with the 223 vs 5.56, longer throat in the 5.56 allowed for higher pressure rounds.

From John Barsness of Handloader/Rifle Magazines.

It decreases peak pressure, for two reasons. The longer "jump" of the bullet to the rifling results in a lower peak pressure, since the bullet engraves more easily the faster it's going when it hits the rifling.

Also involved is the "progressive" burning of almost all modern rifle powders. This means the pressure increases relatively slowly from the time of ignition. Thus peak pressure occurs when the bullet beyond the barrel throat, with very slow-burning powders as much as 3-4 inches.




Here are a couple charts for your viewing pleasure.



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