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Posted: 4/15/2012 1:03:06 PM EDT
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Hey Guys, Anyone ever have their dies coated with something to prevent them from rusting? Like Melonite, NiB, NP3, Ionbond? Pros or Cons? I have good relationships with firearm mfgs that can send mine off with their parts.
I figured melonite may be most corrosion resistant, but NP3 may be slickest. I've especially had trouble with resizing Beowulf cases & having them get stuck. I live in very humid Florida & reload in my unairconditioned barn/metal building. I don't really want to build a temp/humidity controlled environment to store them. Oil type Protectants only work for a short time....then I have to clean & remove before using. Thanks in advance for any insight |
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This question has been discussed about 1,000,000,000 times.....
I will tell you the same thing I say every time this question or any question about rust is asked.... CorrosionX. It doesn't have to be the one for guns, as all CorrosionX is the same stuff, it's just packed in different applicators for different purposes.. Put it on any surface you don't want to corrode and wipe it off so it's not wet, if you are putting something away to sit for awhile, like a die or a firearm that shoots corrosive ammo, you can coat it heavy and put it away alittle wet. It was designed for military use on aircraft carriers. It's not talked about much around here, probably because most people never heard of it, much less used it. I have and I have never seen anything ive use it on rust, I've also never heard a single person say they've used it and still got rust.. -Masta |
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I am already using the small Poly Gun Bags, intended for storing magazines, to store my dies. It looks like the green plastic sheets that they ship Russian steel cased ammo in, to keep corrosion down. According to their site:
"Poly Gun Bags are infused with the most advanced VCI formula available (laboratory tested). VCI's - Volatile Corrosion inhibitors are used for shipping and storage by the military, bearing, steel and parts industries. Now the technology is available to you, custom made for firearms. How They Work - A continuous, invisible and harmless rust-inhibiting vapor forms an unnoticeable, microscopic layer of VCI on the metal which protects the metal's total surface (exterior and interior parts, including inside the barrel). This layer instantly evaporates when the gun is removed from the bag. Specifications - 4 mil, 6 mil or 8 mil polyethylene construction, puncture resistant - nontoxic- reusable. Infused with VCI inhibitors protecting a variety of metals (color - transparent green). Bag provides years of rust and corrosion protection. Heavy duty 6 mil is only available in the rifle bag package, designed for the heavier gun (over 10 pounds). Uses - Storage, shipping and transporting rifles, pistols, parts kits, etc. Saves time and money because the bag allows guns to remain in a dry state, with no need to apply and later remove oils or greases." Dies still rust inside these bags, sealed with twistie ties. I've put lightly oiled, blued guns inside of the rifle-length bags & still had them form some rust. Does the VCI paper work any better than the plastic bags? I bought a bunch of these bags to put blued guns handed down to me from my geat grandfather & father. I used to keep guns in the house w/ no prob, but moved the safes to my barn. Thanks for the corrosion-X suggestion. I live in FL & they sell it from cash register displays in some places here. I used to subscribe to boat-tests magazine & they tested anti corrosion products & corrosion-X rated very high, as I remember. I use it on the electrical connections on my saltwater boats. I've only been using lighter oils on my dies & putting them in the VCI bags. Corrosion X is very thick & turns thicker & gummy after a while. I hate using the oils on the dies, having to degrease before use, then recoat after. That's why I was considering a coating. |
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what you are experiencing is Die abuse....
you need to use them more often to prevent this. on a tech side of things, ionbond might POSSIBLY be able to coat the inside, maybe. they can get in there close to an inch or two with a PVD coating, ask about chrome nitriding. it also is applied in a very small amount, to where it wont affect any tolerances, the other things you mentioned will. |
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what you are experiencing is Die abuse.... you need to use them more often to prevent this. on a tech side of things, ionbond might POSSIBLY be able to coat the inside, maybe. they can get in there close to an inch or two with a PVD coating, ask about chrome nitriding. it also is applied in a very small amount, to where it wont affect any tolerances, the other things you mentioned will. Good points on both. The Ionbond probably won't get far enough into a rifle die. I think I remember seeing dies sold coated with another DLC like Titanium Nitride, or something, though. Don't know how it's applied. Don't know about chrome nitriding. Thanks for the tip. The bath-types would probably be better to make sure the insides are fully coated. NiB & Melonite are baths...anyone know about NP3? They use melonite on chambers & bores, so I wouldn't imagine it would effect a die too much. Yes, biggest problem is indufficient use. :-/ |
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