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Posted: 4/5/2012 3:13:41 PM EDT
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I recently upgraded from a 550 to a 650, and while finally getting around to setting up the .40 dies the other day I noticed no matter where I adjusted the dies I couldn't get the completed rounds to fit in the case gauge.
I never had any problems with the 550 and the only thing that has changed is the press. The dies, brass, etc is all the same. I tried adjusting the dies like the Dillon manual suggests just in case I was doing something wrong but still no luck. any advise on what to do/try next? |
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cases are hanging up close to the base, I am using the same Dillon .40s&w dies that I had in the 550.
the powder drop die never left the powder measure when I changed over from the 550 There is no up and down movement on the shell plate. The brass is all once fired shot out of a glock, but I have never had a problem with it not fitting in the case gauge or the chamber of my XD after reloading on the 550 My .45 acp reloads didn't have this problem when I set up the tool heads and dies after the switch. This one has me stumped as the only thing that has changed is the press. |
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well I messed with it some more last night but still no luck.
I noticed that the decapping pin is sticking way out of the die more so then the 3/16" that is recommended, so I took it apart and reassembled but couldnt find anything wrong with it. anyone have any ideas? |
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Ahhh Glocked 40S&W is a bitch sometimes.
Is this a Dillon carbide sizing die? If so you might try the following. Remove the sizing dies and using a good mill file carefully file the bottom of the die down until the body of the die is flush with the carbide sizing insert in the die. The sizing is done by a carbide ring that is press-fit into the steel die body. Sometimes the carbide insert is recessed into the bottom of the die body and thus you cannot get it to go down as far as needed. After filing the bottom of the die body flush with carbide insert reinstall it in the tool head and make sure the sizing die comes down and presses on the shell plate. Also IIRC the shell plate for the 650XL might be a touch thicker (from the top of the plate to the bottom of the shell recesses) than the 550 causing your problem to manifest on the 650XL and not on your 550. If that that does not fix the problem you might consider buy a Lee undersize die. In addition to sizing the cases 0.001 inch smaller the Lee dies has a smaller lead-in radius on the carbide sizing ring and thus sizes further down the case. If you really want to go crazy there are several full length sizing options that can be done before you put the brass into your 650XL. Roll sizing with a separate machine like a Case Pro or some of the gadgets like the Gizmo 40 (Target-Arms I shoot with the guy that makes these) that you set up on a single stage press and run your brass through ahead of time. rambling mcb |
Glock bulge. Note how the chamber doesn't fully support the case towards the back. Expansion there might not get hit all the way by the carbide sizing ring not matter how far down you turn the sizing die. (At least that was true for my Hornady FL die on a LNL AP) I think Lee makes something that will correct for the bulge. I was going to invest in one, but I bought once fired brass from the EE, and maybe 1 in 100 or so had the bulge so I just took apart the rounds that failed and recycled the components and scrapped the brass. ETA: although- now that I look at your case gauge picture, it seems your rounds are stopping before where the Glock bulge normally would appear. Is there a ring or bulge towards the bottom of your case that would indicate an unsupported chamber? Are you flaring the mouth a lot? And if you are, are you sure your crimp is enough? |
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this might help you...
Description A must for the serious reloader: EGW offers custom designed, carbide sizing dies that are 0.001" smaller in diameter than typical dies. Not only is it smaller in diameter, the bottom corner is radiused which sizes the case further down. This helps prevent feed failures from cases that bulged near the base during reloading- which is typical of brass fired in Glocks and other loose chambered guns. http://www.egwguns.com/undersized-reloading-dies/undersize-reloading-dies/ |
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Does the bottom of the sizing die touch the shellplate when the ram is raised? If it worked on the 550 there is no reason that it won't work on the 650 unless the bottom of the die does not touch the shellplate.
Try one case in the sizing station and see if that will gauge properly. Possibly something at another station is restricting ram movement. |
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Does the bottom of the sizing die touch the shellplate when the ram is raised? yes, I have tried setting so it cams over real hard but it still cant size it enough. Quoted:
egw is the answer, they sell a modified undersized lee die. i am amazed you have not come accross this in the past. Trust me, i load 15-20k 40s&W rounds a year. I haven't had this problem before and have loaded about 6k of .40 glocked brass on my 550, now that I have a 650 it is a problem. Quoted:
I've had absolutely no problems with the Dillon 40 dies on my 550, I don't have a 650 so I don't know if it might be different. My buddy I sold the 550 to just loaded his first batch of .40 with some of the same once fired glocked brass and it gauges fine and drops into the barrel fine as well. I think there is some difference between the 2 but with out having both in front of me I couldnt tell. I think I'm gonna call Dillon when I get a chance and if they cant help I think I might have to get and EGW die. |
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You don't need any fancy undersized or custom resizing dies to reload 40s&w!!! A cheap set ($35) of Lee Deluxe Carbide dies (4 die set) is all you need to completely remove any bulge at the base of a 40s&w case. Further, I know that the dies will last at least 45,000 rds without any issues because that's how many I have through my set and they're really just now broken in (Lee says they'll last at least 2.5 million). Properly adjusted they will return the case to .421" diameter all the way down to the rim. It's true that Dillon's resizing dies have a larger beveled opening they advertize helps to feed the cases in their progressive presses, however, that larger beveled area means that the die can't resize the case down as far as the Lee die can. All my 40s were processed on my Dillon 550B and then my XL650 with casefeeder when I sold my 550B and upgraded to it without any issues as long as you adjust the shellplate correctly to minimize tilt. All that aside, you might have the same issue I had when upgrading to my XL650, however, my 'problem die' happened to by my Dillon .223 resizing die. (I prefer Dillion's rifle dies to Lee's because of the carbide expander ball they have.) I ended up having to grind about .020" off the bottom of the Dillon die because it contacted the shellplate before I could get it low enough to bump the shoulder back far enough. If the resizing die is hitting the shellplate, you may have to do the same thing to yours or, you could just get the Lee set and have the extra advantage of having both the bullet seating and FC dies be hand adjustable instead of needing a wrench. (A significant advantage to me and the reason I buy Lee Pacesetter rifle die sets plus a Dillon resizing die for all my necked rifle calibers. Besides, buying both is still cheaper than a full Dillon rifle set.) |
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Quoted: Is this a Dillon carbide sizing die? If so you might try the following. Remove the sizing dies and using a good mill file carefully file the bottom of the die down until the body of the die is flush with the carbide sizing insert in the die. I discovered a similar method in lieu of using a file to trim round metal objects down, a whetstone. Not as agressive as a file and it's easy to remove metal and keeping it square. I used one to trim down an AK gas tube. Make sense since whetstones are used to sharpen knives and sharpening is done by metal removal. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_89/140330_my_M70AB2_is_a_piece_of_crap__trunion_mounted_out_of_spec__.html&page=1#i1150106 |
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Well finally got around to calling Dillon, they pretty much told me to try to adjust the sizing die like the the manual suggests and to try adjusting the crimp die as well, and still no luck.
So it looks like I might be looking at the Lee dies or maybe the undersize die, if I can find it local. |
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well I picked up the lee factory crimp and that solved most of my problems. 8 out of 100 did not drop in the barrel or case gauge.
So I ordered up the EGW die, hopefully this fixes everything soon, the wife and I have a match coming up that neither of us want to miss. |
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CoSteve has your cure. Samething for fella having 9mm issues. Shellplate has to be tight, right to "that" spot . This is one of a few reasons I will sweep range free of brass. What's mine stays mine, swept pile left at range. Dillon sizing dies are belled at base. Other brand sizer dies run true at base.
Once fired range brass gets run single stage in Lee sizer. From then on brass sizes fine with Dillon sizer. Lee fcd doesn't size to bottom of base like sizer die will. |
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I forgot about this thread, sorry for the delay.
I got the EGW die installed and my problem instantly went away. I had to readjust the crimp and bell but once that was done they dropped right into the case gage and into the barrel. Now I just need to find some time to get out in the garage and crank em out! 
ETA-grammer |
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We had this issue in an OP a month ago. Sorry, I forgot this thread too.
Anyways, the issue was 9mm and Dillon dies. I size using Dillon sizing dies in 9mm and .45acp. Neither will adequately size badly " Glocked " range brass. Both size just fine using my Dillon sizers after the initial sizing. Initial sizing is done using either Hornady or Lee dies. Your EGW works too. My only concern is that it might compress web smaller than factory OD. Problem solved, so nothing else to see here. Good deal. Quoted:
I forgot about this thread, sorry for the delay. I got the EGW die installed and my problem instantly went away. I had to readjust the crimp and bell but once that was done they dropped right into the case gage and into the barrel. Now I just need to find some time to get out in the garage and crank em out!
ETA-grammer |
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