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5/24/2011 6:23:39 PM EDT
What's the best way to strain / separate s.s.media from the dirty liquid when I'm finished with a load ???
5/24/2011 6:42:15 PM EDT
[#1]
I just asked about this in another thread.
5/24/2011 6:45:02 PM EDT
[#2]


First, if you rinse your brass out adequacy, there should never be any dirty liquid associated with the brass or SS media, and you always need to rinse your brass out properly or they will stain when they dry.  



To properly rinse the brass/media, I put a glove on one hand and I tip the tumbler over at an angle to let as much of the dirty water run out as possible.  Using the glove hand, I hold back any brass/media so that none of the brass or SS media runs out. I next refill the tumbler in a vigorous manner with clean water five more times and each time repeat the draining step.  



After this is done, only clean water, clean brass, and clean media remains in the tumbler.  Once you separate the brass from the SS media, all you have to do is to pour out any extra water and let it sit out to dry – that is it.


5/24/2011 6:50:09 PM EDT
[#3]
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I just asked about this in another thread.


I just answered the question in another thread. lol. Here is the same answer.



I use my Midway media separator (from 1997, new one is more spherical).

Works fine.
5/24/2011 7:00:44 PM EDT
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I just asked about this in another thread.


I just answered the question in another thread. lol. Here is the same answer.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Wet%20Tumbling/20110327_8.jpg

I use my Midway media separator (from 1997, new one is more spherical).

Works fine.


Thanks for the reply. I went to two garage sales that listed rock tumblers this weekend. Both were the cheaper slow models . I guess I need to spend the money on the thing and get going.
5/25/2011 6:27:16 AM EDT
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First, if you rinse your brass out adequacy, there should never be any dirty liquid associated with the brass or SS media, and you always need to rinse your brass out properly or they will stain when they dry.  

To properly rinse the brass/media, I put a glove on one hand and I tip the tumbler over at an angle to let as much of the dirty water run out as possible.  Using the glove hand, I hold back any brass/media so that none of the brass or SS media runs out. I next refill the tumbler in a vigorous manner with clean water five more times and each time repeat the draining step.  

After this is done, only clean water, clean brass, and clean media remains in the tumbler.  Once you separate the brass from the SS media, all you have to do is to pour out any extra water and let it sit out to dry – that is it.




my method to a tee.  I just put them in my dillon tumbler to separate the media then lay them out on a towel to dry for a day or so.
5/25/2011 6:35:07 AM EDT
[#6]
without a media separator - use your hands.



rinse the tumbler a few times with warm water.  fill up to halfway point with warm water, and start pull the brass out, turning them upside down in the water.




the media will just fall out.
5/25/2011 7:02:38 AM EDT
[#7]


What I find is removing the SS media is different when dealing with rifle (bottle neck) and pistol (straight neck) brass.  



With pistol brass, the separation is easy, I use a media separator just like the one dryflash3 posted in his photo, the only key part is you must have the bottom of the separator submerged in 2-3” of water when you are turning it during the separation.  This ensures 99.99% media removal and the only thing you have to look out for is media stuck in the flash hole which you can check just before full length resizing.



For rifle brass, this does not work for me because the bottle neck traps some of the SS media and unless you have the brass standing straight up and under water, some media will be trapped inside.  As a result, I hand separate by grabbing the brass and holding it straight up with the neck pointing down while it is still underwater in the tumbler and shaking it a few times, this method ensures all media comes out of the brass, even when it is completely full of media - which happens quite frequently.


5/25/2011 7:04:43 AM EDT
[#8]
separating media from pistol brass without a media separator is a huge PITA.  media separator is the way to go.
5/25/2011 7:41:24 AM EDT
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First, if you rinse your brass out adequacy, there should never be any dirty liquid associated with the brass or SS media, and you always need to rinse your brass out properly or they will stain when they dry.  

To properly rinse the brass/media, I put a glove on one hand and I tip the tumbler over at an angle to let as much of the dirty water run out as possible.  Using the glove hand, I hold back any brass/media so that none of the brass or SS media runs out. I next refill the tumbler in a vigorous manner with clean water five more times and each time repeat the draining step.  

After this is done, only clean water, clean brass, and clean media remains in the tumbler.  Once you separate the brass from the SS media, all you have to do is to pour out any extra water and let it sit out to dry – that is it.




+my method to a tee.  I just put them in my dillon tumbler to separate the media then lay them out on a towel to dry for a day or so.


1  This is exactly what I do - without a glove.  I take some superfine mesh screen and cover the top of the tumpler when I pour and shake the dirty water out of the canister.  This way, I can ensure that as I am rinsing off my brass, and getting as much of the dirty water out of the tumbler without losing any of the media.    
When I started using SS media last spring, I was in a rush and I didn't sufficiently rinse the brass... it stained when it dried and I had to re-do.  Make sure to rinse thoroughly!

5/25/2011 8:59:22 AM EDT
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If you're on a strict budget, or if you just want to save a bit: I use a big ol' food colander that's dedicated to the task siting on top of a 5gal bucket.  After the brass / media is rinsed clean as mentioned by others, simply pour it all into the colander and agitate it with your hands while wearing gloves.  Having a bit of water running through it all helps too.  The SS media separates and falls through the holes and into the bucket.  It only takes a minute of vigorous agitation to get it done and it's very effective at emptying the cases and anything in the flash holes too....

5/25/2011 11:55:08 AM EDT
[#11]
Is the water toxic?  I haven't been wearing gloves
5/25/2011 12:22:41 PM EDT
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Is the water toxic?  I haven't been wearing gloves


Not sure, sometimes I wear gloves.  Sometimes I don't.  I can't imagine it's any different than touching the bare cases.  If I have cuts on my hands then I wear gloves just because the skin is open.  Maybe I should.... :D
5/25/2011 12:23:22 PM EDT
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Is the water toxic?  I haven't been wearing gloves


It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing
5/25/2011 12:26:16 PM EDT
[#14]




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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves


The primers currently used in ammunition contains lead styphnate as the primer compound - see this link and additional link for its properties and toxicity:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_styphnate



When a round fires, lead is dispersed, some of which ends up in the brass.  If you clean brass, this lead will be in the tumbling media or the water if you use SS media.  To avoid absorption through the skin or contamination of your hands it is best to wear a glove.

5/25/2011 12:33:11 PM EDT
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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves




It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing


This is NOT good advice.  



The problem with lead in dry tumbler media i.e. walnut or corn cob is that some of it exist as a fine dust and so can be inhaled and trapped in your lungs.  When was the last time you open your tumbler and pour it in a seperator and notice that dusty smell, well guess what?  You just inhaled the stuff.  



Lead is particularly bad for children as they are very sensative to its toxic effects.  I would suggest taking proper precautions such as gloves and mask when dealing with dry tumbling media and keep children away.  SS media is better because the lead stays in the water and so is not airborned.  When you flush it down the sink, it is rapidly diluted by the other liquid and so becomes much less of a problem.
5/25/2011 1:04:34 PM EDT
[#16]
I take a 5 gal bucket, cut holes in side at bottom,  hang a paint strainer that fits a 5 gal bucket, then set media separator over strainer and wash until satisfied brass is cleaned.  Paint strainer winds up  retaining all media with no loss.  Bought media strainer from STM and paint strainer from Lowes.  Take a fan from old computer or buy one from a repair or parts shop.  Wire fan and light bulb together, plug in and set separator with brass back on 5 gal bucket and you are GTG.
5/25/2011 1:58:11 PM EDT
[#17]
i fill the dillon separator with water and dump the SS media and the brass in the hopper and tumble it.   the media floats to the bottom.

5/25/2011 2:10:15 PM EDT
[#18]
how does the SS media work when used dry
5/25/2011 5:32:03 PM EDT
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how does the SS media work when used dry


I don't think you can use it dry... The water is necessary to suspend the media and giving the scrubbing action.  Plus it is highly recommended to use lemishine with the SS method and this requires the water to be present for the citric cleaner to be activated and work.
5/25/2011 5:58:53 PM EDT
[#20]
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What's the best way to strain / separate s.s.media from the dirty liquid when I'm finished with a load ???


I think the OP is asking about after the brass has been separated out already.  
Correct me if I am wrong.  

After the brass has been separated out, I still have a bucket of dirty water, with the SS media settled out to the bottom.

What I do is use a strainer to catch the SS media.  My strainer consists of a colander with a loose weave nylon fabric lining it.  Kinda like mosquito netting,
The water passes through, and the media is caught in the fabric.  
I then catch up the edges of the fabric, and either start another batch with it, or  set the whole thing on my food dehydrator (which is where my brass is drying) in prep for storage.  Once dry I put it back into the jar for storage.

Hope I'm not way off base.  If so, then I hope the ideas can help some anyway.

JKM
5/25/2011 6:01:04 PM EDT
[#21]
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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves


It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing

This is NOT good advice.  

The problem with lead in dry tumbler media i.e. walnut or corn cob is that some of it exist as a fine dust and so can be inhaled and trapped in your lungs.  When was the last time you open your tumbler and pour it in a seperator and notice that dusty smell, well guess what?  You just inhaled the stuff.  

Lead is particularly bad for children as they are very sensative to its toxic effects.  I would suggest taking proper precautions such as gloves and mask when dealing with dry tumbling media and keep children away.  SS media is better because the lead stays in the water and so is not airborned.  When you flush it down the sink, it is rapidly diluted by the other liquid and so becomes much less of a problem.


This.  The main reason I went to the wet method using the Thumlers and the SS media.  Well that and the thrill of the bling....................

5/25/2011 8:19:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Thanks for all the replies... lots of ideas now.

JKM777 hit the nail right on the head...

BGF

5/26/2011 4:01:19 AM EDT
[#23]




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What's the best way to strain / separate s.s.media from the dirty liquid when I'm finished with a load ???





I think the OP is asking about after the brass has been separated out already.

Correct me if I am wrong.



After the brass has been separated out, I still have a bucket of dirty water, with the SS media settled out to the bottom.



What I do is use a strainer to catch the SS media. My strainer consists of a colander with a loose weave nylon fabric lining it. Kinda like mosquito netting,

The water passes through, and the media is caught in the fabric.

I then catch up the edges of the fabric, and either start another batch with it, or set the whole thing on my food dehydrator (which is where my brass is drying) in prep for storage. Once dry I put it back into the jar for storage.



Hope I'm not way off base. If so, then I hope the ideas can help some anyway.



JKM



This is curious and so inquiring mind must know!  Can you guys tell us how you deal with your brass and media after you open the tumbler?
5/26/2011 6:08:03 AM EDT
[#24]
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What's the best way to strain / separate s.s.media from the dirty liquid when I'm finished with a load ???


I think the OP is asking about after the brass has been separated out already.
Correct me if I am wrong.

After the brass has been separated out, I still have a bucket of dirty water, with the SS media settled out to the bottom.

What I do is use a strainer to catch the SS media. My strainer consists of a colander with a loose weave nylon fabric lining it. Kinda like mosquito netting,
The water passes through, and the media is caught in the fabric.
I then catch up the edges of the fabric, and either start another batch with it, or set the whole thing on my food dehydrator (which is where my brass is drying) in prep for storage. Once dry I put it back into the jar for storage.

Hope I'm not way off base. If so, then I hope the ideas can help some anyway.

JKM

This is curious and so inquiring mind must know!  Can you guys tell us how you deal with your brass and media after you open the tumbler?


What I do is take the top off the Thumlers tumbler and pour out the suds and dirty water as best as I can without spilling any of the brass and stainless steel media.  Then I add water while I swirl everything around with my hand to make sure everything is rinsed completely.  I keep pouring it out paying close attention to where the media is to make sure I don't pour any down the drain.  I do it about 4 times or so and then pour it into the Dillon media separator.  Spin it around for a little bit to get all the SS media out then pour them out on a towel.  I roll them around and get as much water off as possible and let them sit for a day or so.
5/26/2011 6:25:44 AM EDT
[#25]


This is certainly similar to the way I do it, but as you can see, by the time you get your brass out, the media is no longer sitting in any dirty liquid like the OP or JKM777 described – thus the curious question as to how they deal with the brass and media after they open the tumbler.



5/26/2011 6:28:50 AM EDT
[#26]
I'm pretty sure they just dump the tumbler into a strainer which is over a 5 gallon bucket.  The strainer catches the brass and the dirty water and SS media fall through and end up in the 5 gallon bucket or whatever they're using.  This leaves the brass covered in dirty water which is what I'd be trying to avoid.
5/26/2011 10:02:42 AM EDT
[#27]




Quoted:

I'm pretty sure they just dump the tumbler into a strainer which is over a 5 gallon bucket. The strainer catches the brass and the dirty water and SS media fall through and end up in the 5 gallon bucket or whatever they're using. This leaves the brass covered in dirty water which is what I'd be trying to avoid.




Thanks!  Yes, that is another way to do it.  Guess I am partial to my method because the brass and media gets cleaned in the same time.



The other way, you still have to rinse out separately the brass now trapped in the strainer and the media which is in the bucket.  Neither is going to get cleaned unless you rinse them, so why not rinse them out together? And then separate them when you are done?

5/26/2011 10:50:54 AM EDT
[#28]
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I'm pretty sure they just dump the tumbler into a strainer which is over a 5 gallon bucket. The strainer catches the brass and the dirty water and SS media fall through and end up in the 5 gallon bucket or whatever they're using. This leaves the brass covered in dirty water which is what I'd be trying to avoid.

Thanks!  Yes, that is another way to do it.  Guess I am partial to my method because the brass and media gets cleaned in the same time.

The other way, you still have to rinse out separately the brass now trapped in the strainer and the media which is in the bucket.  Neither is going to get cleaned unless you rinse them, so why not rinse them out together? And then separate them when you are done?



That is how to do it.  Rinse multiple times while it's all in the tumbler.  After 4 - 5 times the water is crystal clear.  The clean contents are then dumped into your media separator of choice...................

5/26/2011 12:06:07 PM EDT
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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves


It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing

This is NOT good advice.  

The problem with lead in dry tumbler media i.e. walnut or corn cob is that some of it exist as a fine dust and so can be inhaled and trapped in your lungs.  When was the last time you open your tumbler and pour it in a seperator and notice that dusty smell, well guess what?  You just inhaled the stuff.  

Lead is particularly bad for children as they are very sensative to its toxic effects.  I would suggest taking proper precautions such as gloves and mask when dealing with dry tumbling media and keep children away.  SS media is better because the lead stays in the water and so is not airborned.  When you flush it down the sink, it is rapidly diluted by the other liquid and so becomes much less of a problem.


I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the wet SS media that is being mentioned in this thread, only using the dry media lead levels as an admission that there is lead in tumblers. You should be fine unless you lick your hands free because the lead is mostly in the water, as opposed to the vibratory tumblers where it is in the air. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
5/26/2011 12:07:33 PM EDT
[#30]




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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves




It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing


This is NOT good advice.



The problem with lead in dry tumbler media i.e. walnut or corn cob is that some of it exist as a fine dust and so can be inhaled and trapped in your lungs. When was the last time you open your tumbler and pour it in a seperator and notice that dusty smell, well guess what? You just inhaled the stuff.



Lead is particularly bad for children as they are very sensative to its toxic effects. I would suggest taking proper precautions such as gloves and mask when dealing with dry tumbling media and keep children away. SS media is better because the lead stays in the water and so is not airborned. When you flush it down the sink, it is rapidly diluted by the other liquid and so becomes much less of a problem.




I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the wet SS media that is being mentioned in this thread, only using the dry media lead levels as an admission that there is lead in tumblers. You should be fine unless you lick your hands free because the lead is mostly in the water, as opposed to the vibratory tumblers where it is in the air. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


Yes, sorry for the misunderstanding too - too easy with these threads....

5/26/2011 12:33:12 PM EDT
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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves


It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing

This is NOT good advice.

The problem with lead in dry tumbler media i.e. walnut or corn cob is that some of it exist as a fine dust and so can be inhaled and trapped in your lungs. When was the last time you open your tumbler and pour it in a seperator and notice that dusty smell, well guess what? You just inhaled the stuff.

Lead is particularly bad for children as they are very sensative to its toxic effects. I would suggest taking proper precautions such as gloves and mask when dealing with dry tumbling media and keep children away. SS media is better because the lead stays in the water and so is not airborned. When you flush it down the sink, it is rapidly diluted by the other liquid and so becomes much less of a problem.


I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the wet SS media that is being mentioned in this thread, only using the dry media lead levels as an admission that there is lead in tumblers. You should be fine unless you lick your hands free because the lead is mostly in the water, as opposed to the vibratory tumblers where it is in the air. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Yes, sorry for the misunderstanding too - too easy with these threads....


I'm just glad an all out forum war didn't ensue. Seems it's rare that two people can have a misunderstanding on the Internet and not get into a "fight".
5/26/2011 4:11:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Is wet SS tumbling ok to do with the fired primers still seated?  I was wondering this after reading this thread a bit.  I haven't bought my SS tumbling gear yet, but I was planning on tumbling the cases with primers still seated before running them through the sizing die and decapping them.  Then I figured just another 20-30 min tumble to wash the lube off.  Good to go, or is wet tumbling with primers still seated a no no?
5/26/2011 4:30:29 PM EDT
[#33]
USMC6337,

I have not been using SS media, but I have started pre-washing my brass with hot water, Lemi-Shine, and dish soap.  I would not recommend doing any wet cleaning without removing the primers.  Several reasons why:  First, the brass will take a long time to dry, and If you take too long to decap, (quite a few days I would imagine, but perhaps less) some of the primers may corrode into the brass and you might end up with primer walls stuck in your cases.  Secondly, whether you are doing wet cleaning or not, if your primers are still in the brass, the media is not able to clean your primer pockets, which your brass deserves.  If you are not concerned with primer pockets and you decap within a reasonable amount of time, there probably isn't anything particularly wrong with doing it the way you said either.

Mike
5/26/2011 4:40:29 PM EDT
[#34]
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Is wet SS tumbling ok to do with the fired primers still seated?  I was wondering this after reading this thread a bit.  I haven't bought my SS tumbling gear yet, but I was planning on tumbling the cases with primers still seated before running them through the sizing die and decapping them.  Then I figured just another 20-30 min tumble to wash the lube off.  Good to go, or is wet tumbling with primers still seated a no no?


You can but....

You will have a longer brass drying time,

and you give up one the best advantages to wet tumbling, splarkling clean primer pockets.

I only did one batch without deprimming first.



Berdan brass just out of the tumbler, still some water in the cases.
5/26/2011 5:46:44 PM EDT
[#35]


What I find is that with rifle brass, because of the bottle neck, it is useful to deprime before using the SS media to clean – it lets the air run through and make drying much easier. Depriming allows the media to clean the primer pocket completely which is a boom to precision reloaders.





With pistol brass, depriming is normally done in the first step of reloading pistol ammo together with FLR, and so if you deprime before cleaning, you are adding significant amount of work to reloading pistol ammo. Cleaning primer pockets is also not necessary in pistol ammunition, so you don’t gain anything by depriming first. The fact is because pistol brass have straight and short neck, air circulation and drying is not a problem.



What is important here is the make sure they are rinsed clean of the soap and Lemishine and completely dry before using them. I have never seen any corrosion. I suspect that the corrosion people have seen is due to the use of incorrect cleaning material and improper rinsing. I dry them over the fan of a basement dehimifier for about three days and I always check the flash hole for stuck SS media before depriming. This does not happen a lot but definitely does happen, my best guess is around one every 2-300 cases. Of course one should never deprime range pick up pistol brass unless you check for Berdan primers anyway, so there is no added work.
5/26/2011 6:52:39 PM EDT
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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves


It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing

This is NOT good advice.

The problem with lead in dry tumbler media i.e. walnut or corn cob is that some of it exist as a fine dust and so can be inhaled and trapped in your lungs. When was the last time you open your tumbler and pour it in a seperator and notice that dusty smell, well guess what? You just inhaled the stuff.

Lead is particularly bad for children as they are very sensative to its toxic effects. I would suggest taking proper precautions such as gloves and mask when dealing with dry tumbling media and keep children away. SS media is better because the lead stays in the water and so is not airborned. When you flush it down the sink, it is rapidly diluted by the other liquid and so becomes much less of a problem.


I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the wet SS media that is being mentioned in this thread, only using the dry media lead levels as an admission that there is lead in tumblers. You should be fine unless you lick your hands free because the lead is mostly in the water, as opposed to the vibratory tumblers where it is in the air. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Yes, sorry for the misunderstanding too - too easy with these threads....


I'm just glad an all out forum war didn't ensue. Seems it's rare that two people can have a misunderstanding on the Internet and not get into a "fight".


A lot of work has gone into this forum to keep those sort of problems out altogether.  It works best when the membership is self moderating.

5/26/2011 6:57:17 PM EDT
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Is the water toxic? I haven't been wearing gloves


It shouldn't harm you as long as you rinse several times during the process or wash hands after. In the Lee loading manual (which I don't love as it might as well be 1 giant Lee advertisement) it says that the highest lead concentrations in a reloading setup were found in a tumbler (vibratory mind you). However, this really shouldn't hurt you unless your licking your hands clean... Which I really hope your not doing

This is NOT good advice.

The problem with lead in dry tumbler media i.e. walnut or corn cob is that some of it exist as a fine dust and so can be inhaled and trapped in your lungs. When was the last time you open your tumbler and pour it in a separator and notice that dusty smell, well guess what? You just inhaled the stuff.

Lead is particularly bad for children as they are very sensitive to its toxic effects. I would suggest taking proper precautions such as gloves and mask when dealing with dry tumbling media and keep children away. SS media is better because the lead stays in the water and so is not airborned. When you flush it down the sink, it is rapidly diluted by the other liquid and so becomes much less of a problem.


I think that you misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the wet SS media that is being mentioned in this thread, only using the dry media lead levels as an admission that there is lead in tumblers. You should be fine unless you lick your hands free because the lead is mostly in the water, as opposed to the vibratory tumblers where it is in the air. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Yes, sorry for the misunderstanding too - too easy with these threads....


I'm just glad an all out forum war didn't ensue. Seems it's rare that two people can have a misunderstanding on the Internet and not get into a "fight".


A lot of work has gone into this forum to keep those sort of problems out altogether.  It works best when the membership is self moderating.



And is much appreciated.
5/26/2011 8:04:16 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure they just dump the tumbler into a strainer which is over a 5 gallon bucket. The strainer catches the brass and the dirty water and SS media fall through and end up in the 5 gallon bucket or whatever they're using. This leaves the brass covered in dirty water which is what I'd be trying to avoid.

Thanks!  Yes, that is another way to do it.  Guess I am partial to my method because the brass and media gets cleaned in the same time.

The other way, you still have to rinse out separately the brass now trapped in the strainer and the media which is in the bucket.  Neither is going to get cleaned unless you rinse them, so why not rinse them out together? And then separate them when you are done?



That is how to do it.  Rinse multiple times while it's all in the tumbler.  After 4 - 5 times the water is crystal clear.  The clean contents are then dumped into your media separator of choice...................



My method as well.
5/27/2011 5:38:36 AM EDT
[#39]
k heres my question. is the cost worth it?  200 bucks for shinny brass?
5/27/2011 5:49:41 AM EDT
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k heres my question. is the cost worth it?  200 bucks for shinny brass?


100% because it provides the health benefits (no airborne lead), the brass is so clean and you don't have to keep buying new media (the SS media doesn't wear out or get dirty like the walnut or corn cob) and they look blinging clean.  Plus the primer pockets get clean so it saves you time with regards to case prep.  I like my brass to be perfectly shiny because it also reduces any/all grit wearing on the inside of my dies.
5/27/2011 7:21:31 AM EDT
[#41]




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k heres my question. is the cost worth it? 200 bucks for shinny brass?




100% because it provides the health benefits (no airborne lead), the brass is so clean and you don't have to keep buying new media (the SS media doesn't wear out or get dirty like the walnut or corn cob) and they look blinging clean. Plus the primer pockets get clean so it saves you time with regards to case prep. I like my brass to be perfectly shiny because it also reduces any/all grit wearing on the inside of my dies.




One other thing that does not get mentioned is that many of the people who reload for precision shootings are Type As (yip, that's me!). These are people who are perfectionist and nothing is done right without absolutely everything being done correctly. Of course, a perfectly loaded round with everything trimmed and loaded absolutely accurately would be incomplete if the bullet was not seated on a 100% clean and shiny brass…..





Not saying it is right or wrong, just stating a fact.

5/27/2011 8:28:43 AM EDT
[#42]
post pics of the tumblers you use with ss media. Thinking about swapping over
5/27/2011 8:32:42 AM EDT
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k so is there places that is competative on the prices at stainless tumbling media website?  do any of the sponsors sell the required stuff?
5/27/2011 9:30:27 AM EDT
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post pics of the tumblers you use with ss media. Thinking about swapping over


I got both from STM.com.  You can see both on their website.



http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/



I think Dryflash3 got a better deal on the media somewhere else.

5/27/2011 9:49:33 AM EDT
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k heres my question. is the cost worth it?  200 bucks for shinny brass?


If you really have to shoot reloaded ammo with perfectly shiney brass, then the wet/SS is a fantastic way to go.

I'm reading this thread just for shits and giggles and now I see that there's a whole 'nother problem to contend with and that's getting ALL of the SS media out of and off of, the wet brass.

It seems that the best way to do this is to shake the cases while under water, thereby reducing/releasing the water's surface tension and thereby allowing the SS pieces to fall free.

I can handle rinsing out the tumbler tub a few times in water, as that will go fast.  I can handle drying everything off before stowing it away.  I can deal with air drying, as I've done it in the past when I haven't been in a hurry and when doing ~100 piece lots and I can almost contend with buying the gear for $250 and giving it a whirl; however, what is really goosing my goat right now is that all of this time has to add up and with this being an already time consuming hobby, where are you guys getting all of the time to actually build your ammo?

I'll have to rethink things.

Chirs




5/27/2011 1:39:12 PM EDT
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post pics of the tumblers you use with ss media. Thinking about swapping over

I got both from STM.com.  You can see both on their website.

http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/

I think Dryflash3 got a better deal on the media somewhere else.


Buffalo Arms, $35 + $11 shipping for 5 pounds.
5/27/2011 1:40:58 PM EDT
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k so is there places that is competative on the prices at stainless tumbling media website?  do any of the sponsors sell the required stuff?


This a question you have to answer for yourself.

I was on the fence for awhile, then jumped in. Glad I did.
5/27/2011 3:19:27 PM EDT
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k heres my question. is the cost worth it? 200 bucks for shinny brass?




If you really have to shoot reloaded ammo with perfectly shiney brass, then the wet/SS is a fantastic way to go.



I'm reading this thread just for shits and giggles and now I see that there's a whole 'nother problem to contend with and that's getting ALL of the SS media out of and off of, the wet brass.



It seems that the best way to do this is to shake the cases while under water, thereby reducing/releasing the water's surface tension and thereby allowing the SS pieces to fall free.



I can handle rinsing out the tumbler tub a few times in water, as that will go fast. I can handle drying everything off before stowing it away. I can deal with air drying, as I've done it in the past when I haven't been in a hurry and when doing ~100 piece lots and I can almost contend with buying the gear for $250 and giving it a whirl; however, what is really goosing my goat right now is that all of this time has to add up and with this being an already time consuming hobby, where are you guys getting all of the time to actually build your ammo?



I'll have to rethink things.



Chirs






Yes, it is a personal choice. It also sounds worse than it is but I can clear a couple hundred rounds of 223 of SS media in about 10-15 min.



The fact is reloading is indeed a big time hog and wallet drain no matter how you slice and dice it. Unfortunately, that 10-15 min is almost nothing compared to hand weighting powder for the rounds, and don't get me started talking about neck trimming.....




5/27/2011 7:50:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
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k heres my question. is the cost worth it?  200 bucks for shinny brass?


If you really have to shoot reloaded ammo with perfectly shiney brass, then the wet/SS is a fantastic way to go.

I'm reading this thread just for shits and giggles and now I see that there's a whole 'nother problem to contend with and that's getting ALL of the SS media out of and off of, the wet brass.

It seems that the best way to do this is to shake the cases while under water, thereby reducing/releasing the water's surface tension and thereby allowing the SS pieces to fall free.

I can handle rinsing out the tumbler tub a few times in water, as that will go fast.  I can handle drying everything off before stowing it away.  I can deal with air drying, as I've done it in the past when I haven't been in a hurry and when doing ~100 piece lots and I can almost contend with buying the gear for $250 and giving it a whirl; however, what is really goosing my goat right now is that all of this time has to add up and with this being an already time consuming hobby, where are you guys getting all of the time to actually build your ammo?

I'll have to rethink things.

Chirs



The draw for me is cleaning primer pockets more than anything else.  I already have a rotary tumbler, so my investment would be small.  I also like the idea of really cleaning up the dark green range pickups, too, although I have to wonder if I'm crazy for scouring the rocks for brass.

5/27/2011 8:09:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
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k heres my question. is the cost worth it?  200 bucks for shinny brass?


If you really have to shoot reloaded ammo with perfectly shiney brass, then the wet/SS is a fantastic way to go.

I'm reading this thread just for shits and giggles and now I see that there's a whole 'nother problem to contend with and that's getting ALL of the SS media out of and off of, the wet brass.

It seems that the best way to do this is to shake the cases while under water, thereby reducing/releasing the water's surface tension and thereby allowing the SS pieces to fall free.

I can handle rinsing out the tumbler tub a few times in water, as that will go fast.  I can handle drying everything off before stowing it away.  I can deal with air drying, as I've done it in the past when I haven't been in a hurry and when doing ~100 piece lots and I can almost contend with buying the gear for $250 and giving it a whirl; however, what is really goosing my goat right now is that all of this time has to add up and with this being an already time consuming hobby, where are you guys getting all of the time to actually build your ammo?


No more crazy than the rest of os brass ho's.
I'll have to rethink things.

Chirs



The draw for me is cleaning primer pockets more than anything else.  I already have a rotary tumbler, so my investment would be small.  I also like the idea of really cleaning up the dark green range pickups, too, although I have to wonder if I'm crazy for scouring the rocks for brass.



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