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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:44:56 AM EDT
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I haven't been reloading to long and I'm having some issues getting this .45 load to work in a friends XD.
This load has stove pipes and won't pick up the next round or lock back. 1.277 oal I've tried every type of commercial brass. 185g Berry's plated bullets Federal Match primers 4.5g of bullseye This load does the same if you have more then 7 rounds in the mag??? I don't have the OAL on this load again every type of brass 230g Hornady HP Federal Match primers 5.1g of bullseye These loads work in 3 different 1911's and 2 different Glocks, any ideas? |
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If you're talking round nose for those Berry's bullets, try an OAL of 1.250"
Check the Hornady manual, should list your OAL there for those –– I'm fairly sure that the OAL is supposed to be 1.230" .... I have no idea about your powder charges (I don't use Bullseye, too easy to miss a double-chsrge), but you will want to re-work-up the load if you start seating the bullets deeper. I would invest in a couple of good reloading manuals (If I use a certain maker's bullets, I buy their manual ––- bullets are different enough, even in the same weight and caliber, that you can get into trouble with overloads otherwise). I understand you not knowing about the Berry's as they don't publish loading data. |
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I use plated 230 Berry's in my XD with full loads of Winchester 231, Win or Rem primers. I have never had any issue with these. OAL is within range, but nothing I have paid any particular attention to. I use the Winchester databook.
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When I loaded tons of 200 gr SWC's i seated to OAL of 1.246" +/- .005"
If you're shooting a round nose that length may not work for you. Load a couple dummy rounds and then cycle the slide by hand and watch very carefully what happens.....the round should come out of the magazine as the slide contacts it and pushes it forward. The head of the case should slide under the extractor hook and the extractor should carry the cartridge in to the chamber.It's possible also you don't have enough tension on the extractor to hold the cartridge in reasonably good alignment with the chamber.. |
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I use plated 230 Berry's in my XD with full loads of Winchester 231, Win or Rem primers. I have never had any issue with these. OAL is within range, but nothing I have paid any particular attention to. I use the Winchester databook. Are those full power loads you are making? It looks like 5.6g is max load, I may try seating deeper if that doesn't work I'll start upping the load for his gun. |
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You may want to check the gun. Does it work fine on factory ammo?
I had a .45 llama that worked just fine for everyone but me. Everytime I fired it my thumb hit the mag ejector and caused a stovepipe. Nothing wrong with the gun or the rounds, the gun just didnt fit my hand. I sold it for that reason. If I have to clear a jam evertime I shoot the zombie Ill get eaten.... It could be as simple as that. If you have any rounds left pull one and weight the poowder charge, make sure it is as full as you think it is. Unless you weighed every charge there could be some variation depending on powder measure and procedure. I had a HUGE problem with WST not feeding through a powder measure due to static ONCE. Also check the feed ramp on the barrel is it dirty or rough if so clean/polish it also may fix your problem. I have an XDM 40 that feeds like a dream no matter what I feed her.... |
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I had this same issue with my SA 1911. I was shooting 4.5 gr of 231 with a 185 gr SWC.
It might be that the small charge of powder isn't quite enough to work your slide. This would cause all of the problems your describing. A new spring is 7-10 bucks (I use a 14 lb spring). Worth a shot anyway!! Good luck! |
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I haven't been reloading to long and I'm having some issues getting this .45 load to work in a friends XD. This load has stove pipes and won't pick up the next round or lock back. 1.277 oal I've tried every type of commercial brass. 185g Berry's plated bullets Which 185 grain ?? HBRN ?? Federal Match primers 4.5g of bullseye This load does the same if you have more then 7 rounds in the mag??? 7, 8, or 10 round mag... sounds like a gunsmithing issue.I don't have the OAL on this load again every type of brass 230g Hornady HP Federal Match primers 5.1g of bullseye These loads work in 3 different 1911's and 2 different Glocks, any ideas? Need more specifics. |
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I haven't been reloading to long and I'm having some issues getting this .45 load to work in a friends XD. This load has stove pipes and won't pick up the next round or lock back. 1.277 oal I've tried every type of commercial brass. 185g Berry's plated bullets Which 185 grain ?? HBRN ?? Federal Match primers 4.5g of bullseye This load does the same if you have more then 7 rounds in the mag??? 7, 8, or 10 round mag... sounds like a gunsmithing issue.I don't have the OAL on this load again every type of brass 230g Hornady HP Federal Match primers 5.1g of bullseye These loads work in 3 different 1911's and 2 different Glocks, any ideas? Need more specifics. It's the HBRN bullets, the mag is the normal high capacity for the gun I don't know what it holds. I don't think it's the gun, it works fine with all factory ammo. I'm going to try upping the charge and work up a new load for it. |
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I have no issues using a different bullet if it will fix the problem. I don't have my notes in front of me but a COL of 1.277 sounds waaaaayyy too long. Especially for a 185. That may be, I have had zero issues with it my Glock and 1911. Well so far I'm going to try: shorter OAL 200g-230g bullet then start working up on the charge. |
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I have no issues using a different bullet if it will fix the problem. I don't have my notes in front of me but a COL of 1.277 sounds waaaaayyy too long. Especially for a 185. That may be, I have had zero issues with it my Glock and 1911. Well so far I'm going to try: shorter OAL 200g-230g bullet then start working up on the charge. I know the latest Lee Reloading manual has loads specifically for plated slugs... I'll post it when I get home later on if you don't have a copy. |
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I have no issues using a different bullet if it will fix the problem. I don't have my notes in front of me but a COL of 1.277 sounds waaaaayyy too long. Especially for a 185. That may be, I have had zero issues with it my Glock and 1911. Well so far I'm going to try: shorter OAL 200g-230g bullet then start working up on the charge. I know the latest Lee Reloading manual has loads specifically for plated slugs... I'll post it when I get home later on if you don't have a copy. I don't have a copy, that would be very helpful! |
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I have no issues using a different bullet if it will fix the problem. I don't have my notes in front of me but a COL of 1.277 sounds waaaaayyy too long. Especially for a 185. That may be, I have had zero issues with it my Glock and 1911. Well so far I'm going to try: shorter OAL 200g-230g bullet then start working up on the charge. I know the latest Lee Reloading manual has loads specifically for plated slugs... I'll post it when I get home later on if you don't have a copy. I don't have a copy, that would be very helpful! I gotcha covered. I'll post sometime tonight. |
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I just loaded 15 of these to try. 5.4g +/- .1g of bullseye 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Winchester cases Federal match primers 1.274 +/- .001 OAL per the manual. You might want to check that load... The manual I'm looking at (Lee, Second Edition) has 5.0 gr. of Bullseye listed as a MAX load with a Min COAL of 1.190. I have no experience with Bullseye, so can't comment either way. Maybe back off some and shorten your COAL? Also, I'm kind thinking you're too long. I've never really gotten reliable function at much over 1.260. I usually run 230 gr. ball at around 1.255 with 200 gr. plated at 1.245, and 185's at 1.240.... But that's me. The Lee manual has the following loads for 185 plated: Powder Starting MAX Min. COAL AA #5 9.4 gr. 10.4 1.215 AA #7 11.7 gr. 13.0 1.215 AA #2 5.9 gr. 6.6 1.215 For some reason, the only loads they have listed for plated rounds are AA. For what it's worth, AA#5 runs GREAT with all the plated slugs I've used. *This is the part where I say, "NEVER TRUST MY LOADS OR DATA, DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING, BE CAREFUL EVERYBODY, blah, blah, blah" Then again, your issues kinda sound like you have light loads, which might make sense for your 185 loads, but not your 230 gr. loads.... Weird. Have you calibrated/zero-ed your scale? I had screwed that up once and found out that I threw about 300 charges that were about 1.3 grains lighter than they should have been which lead to the same problems. |
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I just loaded 15 of these to try. 5.4g +/- .1g of bullseye 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Winchester cases Federal match primers 1.274 +/- .001 OAL per the manual. You might want to check that load... The manual I'm looking at (Lee, Second Edition) has 5.0 gr. of Bullseye listed as a MAX load with a Min COAL of 1.190. I have no experience with Bullseye, so can't comment either way. Maybe back off some and shorten your COAL? Also, I'm kind thinking you're too long. I've never really gotten reliable function at much over 1.260. I usually run 230 gr. ball at around 1.255 with 200 gr. plated at 1.245, and 185's at 1.240.... But that's me. The Lee manual has the following loads for 185 plated: Powder Starting MAX Min. COAL AA #5 9.4 gr. 10.4 1.215 AA #7 11.7 gr. 13.0 1.215 AA #2 5.9 gr. 6.6 1.215 For some reason, the only loads they have listed for plated rounds are AA. For what it's worth, AA#5 runs GREAT with all the plated slugs I've used. *This is the part where I say, "NEVER TRUST MY LOADS OR DATA, DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING, BE CAREFUL EVERYBODY, blah, blah, blah" Then again, your issues kinda sound like you have light loads, which might make sense for your 185 loads, but not your 230 gr. loads.... Weird. Have you calibrated/zero-ed your scale? I had screwed that up once and found out that I threw about 300 charges that were about 1.3 grains lighter than they should have been which lead to the same problems. Well the scale was off but not in the way to help me. I pulled and remeasured my last 15 and they are at 6.0g +/-1. So if my loads have been heaver then I though this could be interesting. I'm going to have to pull some bullets from my other batches and add the step of calibrating before I start reloading. |
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I have no issues using a different bullet if it will fix the problem. I don't have my notes in front of me but a COL of 1.277 sounds waaaaayyy too long. Especially for a 185. Have to agree with the COL. Just looked at my notes and for the XD Tac, (wife and I both run one), the OAL for the Zero brand 230gr FMJ is 1.250. For the same brand 230 gr JHP the OAL is 1.230 which will give me the same internal dimensions in the case for both bullets. The XD's just love these bullets and have had no issues. Don't know if the there's anything useful in all this but thought I put it out there... |
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I have loaded and fired between 5 and 10k rounds for my xd45 tactical. Precision RNFP bullets (200g) start to hit the lands in my factory barrel anywhere past a COL of 1.200" . You may want to take the gun apart and drop a factory round in the clean barrel and note how deep it goes then try it with your reloads. Your loads may be too long. Your loads should go in just as deep as factory and drop free out of the barrel.
XD45's are also known to jam with swc bullets. The fired case comes back and hits sharp shoulder of top round in mag and is knocked out of extractor's grip before ejection occurs. This results in a random jam that can look like a stovepipe or the fired case can get caught by the slide as it closes. There are many photos of the case jammed by the slide at a 90 degree angle to the properly fed round. The second issue is why I stick with roundnose profile bullets. If you shorten your COL to 1.200' like me you will want to reduce your powder charge and work up again for safety reasons. I did find a load that shot a 1" group at 25 yards with solo 1000 and the 200g RNFP at 1.200". I still struggle with the long trigger though but its a keeper hicap .45. |
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I have loaded and fired between 5 and 10k rounds for my xd45 tactical. Precision RNFP bullets (200g) start to hit the lands in my factory barrel anywhere past a COL of 1.200" . You may want to take the gun apart and drop a factory round in the clean barrel and note how deep it goes then try it with your reloads. Your loads may be too long. Your loads should go in just as deep as factory and drop free out of the barrel. XD45's are also known to jam with swc bullets. The fired case comes back and hits sharp shoulder of top round in mag and is knocked out of extractor's grip before ejection occurs. This results in a random jam that can look like a stovepipe or the fired case can get caught by the slide as it closes. There are many photos of the case jammed by the slide at a 90 degree angle to the properly fed round. The second issue is why I stick with roundnose profile bullets. If you shorten your COL to 1.200' like me you will want to reduce your powder charge and work up again for safety reasons. I did find a load that shot a 1" group at 25 yards with solo 1000 and the 200g RNFP at 1.200". I still struggle with the long trigger though but its a keeper hicap .45. Now that makes a lot more sense than his loads being too light. |
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I just loaded 15 of these to try. 5.4g +/- .1g of bullseye warm load, Lee 2 lists 5.0 as max, never exceed. I would advise carefully working up to this load. The older manuals and Lyman 49 almost go this hot. 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Winchester cases Federal match primers 1.274 +/- .001 OAL per the manual. |
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I just loaded 15 of these to try. 5.4g +/- .1g of bullseye warm load, Lee 2 lists 5.0 as max, never exceed. I would advise carefully working up to this load. The older manuals and Lyman 49 almost go this hot. 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Winchester cases Federal match primers 1.274 +/- .001 OAL per the manual. I pulled this load, my scale was off and they were 6.0g. I have his gun here and the last OAL of 1.274 falls free from the barrel, should I just set them back to the 1.200 and give it a shot? |
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Here is what I'm working on now. I'm going to do 10 of each and see how they work up.
1.200 +/- .001 oal Winchester 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Federal Match primers 4.3g of bullseye 1.200 +/- .001 oal Winchester 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Federal Match primers 4.5g of bullseye 1.200 +/- .001 oal Winchester 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Federal Match primers 4.7g of bullseye 1.250 +/- .001 oal Winchester 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Federal Match primers 4.3g of bullseye 1.250 +/- .001 oal Winchester 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Federal Match primers 4.5g of bullseye 1.250 +/- .001 oal Winchester 230g Hornady FMJ-RN Federal Match primers 4.7g of bullseye I'm hoping to see if the OAL make a difference. |
The 4.3g loads almost all didn't extract, if they did it looked like this.
The 4.5g loads half were short strokes, the other half were jammed like this. 
The 4.7g/1.200OAL loads were all short strokes, they would eject but not load a new round and not lock back. The 4.7g/1.250OAL loads functioned with one short stroke and no lock back. I tired both mags with the reloads and same results. I tried both mags with factory Winchester SXZ45 JHP and it worked fine. So do I work up to 4.9 at 1.250OAL? I've never had problems like this, thank you guys for all your help. |
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If the slide won't lock back, sounds like they may not be hot enough. Have you tried shooting one round at a time to see if the slide locks back then, with no other rds in the mag?
Would this happen to be one of the shorter barreled XDs? I ask because a friend had a very hard time getting his to run on his reloads. They always seemed like they were not hot enough, but he could put the same reloads in his full length XD (both .45s) and it ran fine. The shorter gun seemed to have a much stiffer recoil spring/springs setup. Also, are the Berry's 185s hollow based? I have some that I use with Win. 231, and have to go with more powder than when I load Berry's 185 FP. My G21 won't run on the 185 HBRN unless I load them hot. |
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If the slide won't lock back, sounds like they may not be hot enough. Have you tried shooting one round at a time to see if the slide locks back then, with no other rds in the mag? I didn't try that this time, I thought about it but thought the malfunction pictures might help. Would this happen to be one of the shorter barreled XDs? I ask because a friend had a very hard time getting his to run on his reloads. They always seemed like they were not hot enough, but he could put the same reloads in his full length XD (both .45s) and it ran fine. The shorter gun seemed to have a much stiffer recoil spring/springs setup. Full size, 5". Also, are the Berry's 185s hollow based? I have some that I use with Win. 231, and have to go with more powder than when I load Berry's 185 FP. My G21 won't run on the 185 HBRN unless I load them hot. For this testing I"m sticking to Hornady 230g FMJ-RN. Answers in red, I may try the one round at a time and see what happens. |
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Seems like there's conflicting symptoms going on here...
It's acting like you've got light loads going on, but the loads you had been running were HOT. Like too hot. Does this XD have stock springs? Is there any reason why it could have extra-heavy recoil springs in it? |
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Seems like there's conflicting symptoms going on here... It's acting like you've got light loads going on, but the loads you had been running were HOT. Like too hot. Does this XD have stock springs? Is there any reason why it could have extra-heavy recoil springs in it? He bought the gun brand new and hasn't made any changes. It has a single noncaptive spring, I'll have to see if that's normal. I agree that these loads should be working fine. I don't see how the 4.7g load wont work but factory loads do. If you guys have any ideas I'll try them, I'm lost. |
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