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3/15/2010 4:50:36 PM EDT
buddy of mine just brought be over a coffe can full of primed .223 brass, stamped pmc, but the primers look wierd, like pushed in a little too hard, and it looks like it still has the original crimp on the primer pocket, like maybe someone tried to put the primers in without reaming the primer pocket, should i deprime them, remove the crimp, and re-prime, or think they'll be safe to fire? i can take a pic if i need to, sorry just getting into the whole reloading process and figured i'd ask people with experience.
3/15/2010 5:00:05 PM EDT
[#1]
A pic would be good.

The important thing is the primers must be .002 to .008 below the end of the case, and not severely flattened out.

In my experience, PMC brass has tight primer pockets, I always uniform them then prime.
3/15/2010 5:11:04 PM EDT
[#2]
In my experience with crimped primers pockets there's no way to primer them without removing the crimp. After the crimp is removed there is a ring around the primer pocket and that might be what you are seeing. Can you post a picture?
3/15/2010 5:19:28 PM EDT
[#3]
here's the best picture i can get, it's only a coffe can full, so maybe 300 casings, don't mind de-priming if it's what i need to do, hell, free casings anyway.
3/15/2010 5:21:12 PM EDT
[#4]
I know any like the top right one need to be removed, but what about the rest that look crooked.
3/15/2010 5:26:10 PM EDT
[#5]
Damn bgcoop, I they look like shit!! I would replace these with new.
3/15/2010 5:28:23 PM EDT
[#6]
well he said he may have 1000 or so more like this, i don't mind re-priming, still saves me from spending the time cleaning and polishing, i don't know how they primed all these, seems like it would have been a little unsafe.
3/15/2010 5:33:00 PM EDT
[#7]
like i said, i'm new to this so i'm double checking everything, i'm also worried that i don't know what type of primers they used on the ones that look good, i hate wasting my powder/bullets/time on primers that i don't know anything about, or how long they've been stored.
3/15/2010 5:34:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Yeah, a little unsafe are right, re-prime them and you'll know what you have. The primers in the cases now look like they were driven in with a punch and hammer and you don't know what the primers are.
3/15/2010 5:42:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Looks like either the primer pocket crimp wasn't removed, which would be the case for once fired PMC for sure, I don't remember if WCC is crimped at the factory or not, it's what's found in WWB aka Winchester White Box ammo - or - there was some crud on the primer seater that made indentations on primer while being seated.



Take a dozen or so, load them up, if they go bang, then I'd load the rest of them up and just shoot 'em, then decrimp the primer pockets after resizing
3/15/2010 5:54:15 PM EDT
[#10]
as usual, thanks for all the info guys, hopefully i'll have this reloading thing down sooner or later, probably gonna de-prime and remove the crimp on what he gave me tonight to use for working up some loads for my rifle, and if he gives me the rest i might try it out for plinking ammo. Just doesn't help me out much with figuring out my loads when i don't know the type of primer or how it will function being jammed in there like that. but can't turn down free brass, thanks for the help.
3/15/2010 5:55:52 PM EDT
[#11]
At least some WCC has primer crimps.  All of it that I've shot was crimped.

Those primers look like crap.  The best of them will probably fire, but it's a lot of work to complete the loading to find out they are duds or erratic.  I would guess some of those have the priming compound cracked.

We've had a couple of people report that Magtech primers will seat without removing the crimp.

3/15/2010 6:09:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Sure looks like they were primed before the crimp was removed.
3/15/2010 6:25:25 PM EDT
[#13]
Well..... he still has his eyes ? Then they are GTG.  He did the hard part. Whats he using to prime them? A jewelers hammer  and an old spark plug ? Dayumm.
3/15/2010 7:26:58 PM EDT
[#14]
10 to 1 the guy that originally seated those primers was using a Hornady LNL and didn't check the brass he picked up off the range before trying to load them up.  That one on the top right is what gives it away.  On the LNL if you partially seat into a crimped pocket when the press indexes to the next slot the shell plate will jam.  Since you cannot rotate it backwards you basically have to use the primer seat punch to slam it in ... bad thing is that it is only hitting on half the primer.  The others look like he just crushed them on in.  If you try to force any primer it will lock up the whole damn press and you are on your own getting it free.  

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