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10/30/2009 5:58:03 PM EDT
I'm new to reloading - thought I would ask some questions so I avoid blowing up myself or one of my rifles...  I'm loading w/ a Dillon 650, trimming w/ a Giraud trimmer, using once-shot brass - in case you're wondering about my gear.

I am attempting to make my first loads to test things out.  I resized my brass on the 650 and then trimmed them on the Giraud.  I trimmed all of them to 1.750" OAL.  I then loaded 4 different loads - 6 rounds of each.  I loaded:

2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 23.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.0gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 25.0gr H335

Questions:

1) In the reloading manual (Speer), it said the OAL of this round should be 2.215".  If I was to make mine this short, the cannelure would be completely inside the case.  I pressed the bullets deep enough where I can JUST HARDLY see any of it.  When you're loading cannelured bullets, should you worry about what the manual says or be more concerned w/ the position of the cannelure?

2) When I am moving my rounds from station to station, I noticed a few pellets of powder jumping out of the rounds.  Does this normally happen?  I know I'm not losing much powder, just wondering if I'm doing something wrong.

3) How do you empty the unused powder out of a 650?

4) If I'm just trying to find a good plinking round, should I just find one that cycles reliably & is reaonably accurate?  I would guess there is no reason to burn lots of powder for plinking, right?
10/30/2009 6:23:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
I'm new to reloading - thought I would ask some questions so I avoid blowing up myself or one of my rifles...  I'm loading w/ a Dillon 650, trimming w/ a Giraud trimmer, using once-shot brass - in case you're wondering about my gear.

I am attempting to make my first loads to test things out.  I resized my brass on the 650 and then trimmed them on the Giraud.  I trimmed all of them to 1.750" OAL.  I then loaded 4 different loads - 6 rounds of each.  I loaded:

2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 23.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.0gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 25.0gr H335

Questions:

1) In the reloading manual (Speer), it said the OAL of this round should be 2.215".  If I was to make mine this short, the cannelure would be completely inside the case.  I pressed the bullets deep enough where I can JUST HARDLY see any of it.  When you're loading cannelured bullets, should you worry about what the manual says or be more concerned w/ the position of the cannelure?
LEE manual has a OAL of 2.230 for a similar load that I am running  now.
2) When I am moving my rounds from station to station, I noticed a few pellets of powder jumping out of the rounds.  Does this normally happen?  I know I'm not losing much powder, just wondering if I'm doing something wrong.
Normal. I keep a small shopvac nearby.
3) How do you empty the unused powder out of a 650?
you can unhook the linkage and pull the tool head out.4) If I'm just trying to find a good plinking round, should I just find one that cycles reliably & is reaonably accurate?  I would guess there is no reason to burn lots of powder for plinking, right?

No need to push the envelope.
Best of luck, forrest0872
10/30/2009 7:27:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
I'm new to reloading - thought I would ask some questions so I avoid blowing up myself or one of my rifles...  I'm loading w/ a Dillon 650, trimming w/ a Giraud trimmer, using once-shot brass - in case you're wondering about my gear.

I am attempting to make my first loads to test things out.  I resized my brass on the 650 and then trimmed them on the Giraud.  I trimmed all of them to 1.750" OAL.  I then loaded 4 different loads - 6 rounds of each.  I loaded:

2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 23.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.0gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 25.0gr H335

Questions:

1) In the reloading manual (Speer), it said the OAL of this round should be 2.215".  If I was to make mine this short, the cannelure would be completely inside the case.  I pressed the bullets deep enough where I can JUST HARDLY see any of it.  When you're loading cannelured bullets, should you worry about what the manual says or be more concerned w/ the position of the cannelure?Let the cannelure set the length.  This is a reason for starting with loads less than maximum.  When you get a different bullet, you'll find it might not have a cannelure, or has a cannelure in a different location.

2) When I am moving my rounds from station to station, I noticed a few pellets of powder jumping out of the rounds.  Does this normally happen?  I know I'm not losing much powder, just wondering if I'm doing something wrong.Normal.  Aggravating.

3) How do you empty the unused powder out of a 650?

4) If I'm just trying to find a good plinking round, should I just find one that cycles reliably & is reaonably accurate?  I would guess there is no reason to burn lots of powder for plinking, right?[red]This is true.  If the accuracy suits you and functions the weapon, there's no need to load maximum charges.  The gun will get less wear and tear and the barrel will last longer.[/rred]




10/30/2009 9:09:14 PM EDT
[#3]




Quoted:

I'm new to reloading - thought I would ask some questions so I avoid blowing up myself or one of my rifles... I'm loading w/ a Dillon 650, trimming w/ a Giraud trimmer, using once-shot brass - in case you're wondering about my gear.



I am attempting to make my first loads to test things out. I resized my brass on the 650 and then trimmed them on the Giraud. I trimmed all of them to 1.750" OAL. I then loaded 4 different loads - 6 rounds of each. I loaded:



2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 23.5gr H335

2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.0gr H335

2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.5gr H335

2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 25.0gr H335



Questions:



1) In the reloading manual (Speer), it said the OAL of this round should be 2.215". If I was to make mine this short, the cannelure would be completely inside the case. I pressed the bullets deep enough where I can JUST HARDLY see any of it. When you're loading cannelured bullets, should you worry about what the manual says or be more concerned w/ the position of the cannelure?



2) When I am moving my rounds from station to station, I noticed a few pellets of powder jumping out of the rounds. Does this normally happen? I know I'm not losing much powder, just wondering if I'm doing something wrong.



3) How do you empty the unused powder out of a 650?



4) If I'm just trying to find a good plinking round, should I just find one that cycles reliably & is reaonably accurate? I would guess there is no reason to burn lots of powder for plinking, right?




1. Sierra shows COAL@ 2.250



2. My RCBS does the same thing, if I slow it down a little not so bad just try to be consistent



3. Never had a Dillon




4. I haven't reloaded that much but I have found better accuracy without really pushing the red line YMMV











10/31/2009 5:57:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Questions:

1) In the reloading manual (Speer), it said the OAL of this round should be 2.215".  If I was to make mine this short, the cannelure would be completely inside the case.  I pressed the bullets deep enough where I can JUST HARDLY see any of it.  When you're loading cannelured bullets, should you worry about what the manual says or be more concerned w/ the position of the cannelure?
I sometimes load mine with cannelure sitting above the case mouth if the bullet profile has plenty of bearing surface to provide good neck grab of  bullet

2) When I am moving my rounds from station to station, I noticed a few pellets of powder jumping out of the rounds.  Does this normally happen?  
DILLON shell plate detent is kinda firm/harsh when it hits, NORMAL,,, though I use my left fore finger to over case mouth to contain the powder and dampen the shel plate stop at the detent

3) How do you empty the unused powder out of a 650?
You empty the powder measure by simply loosen the (2) screws that hold measure to top of powder die, lift measure off (remove the safety return link if applicable first),  remove aluminum cap from top of powder measure, and pour powder back into appropraite storage container... or you can leave the measure on the toolhead, remove the (2) toolhead retaining pins from top of press frame, slide the head out (remove forementioned link first), and return unused powder to appropriate container.... pretty simple really



10/31/2009 8:38:48 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm new to reloading - thought I would ask some questions so I avoid blowing up myself or one of my rifles...  I'm loading w/ a Dillon 650, trimming w/ a Giraud trimmer, using once-shot brass - in case you're wondering about my gear.

I am attempting to make my first loads to test things out.  I resized my brass on the 650 and then trimmed them on the Giraud.  I trimmed all of them to 1.750" OAL.  I then loaded 4 different loads - 6 rounds of each.  I loaded:

2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 23.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.0gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 24.5gr H335
2.221" OAL, CCI 450, Hornady 55gr FMJ BT, 25.0gr H335

Questions:

1) In the reloading manual (Speer), it said the OAL of this round should be 2.215".  If I was to make mine this short, the cannelure would be completely inside the case.  I pressed the bullets deep enough where I can JUST HARDLY see any of it.  When you're loading cannelured bullets, should you worry about what the manual says or be more concerned w/ the position of the cannelure?Let the cannelure set the length.  This is a reason for starting with loads less than maximum.  When you get a different bullet, you'll find it might not have a cannelure, or has a cannelure in a different location.

2) When I am moving my rounds from station to station, I noticed a few pellets of powder jumping out of the rounds.  Does this normally happen?  I know I'm not losing much powder, just wondering if I'm doing something wrong.Normal.  Aggravating.

3) How do you empty the unused powder out of a 650?

4) If I'm just trying to find a good plinking round, should I just find one that cycles reliably & is reaonably accurate?  I would guess there is no reason to burn lots of powder for plinking, right?[red]This is true.  If the accuracy suits you and functions the weapon, there's no need to load maximum charges.  The gun will get less wear and tear and the barrel will last longer.[/rred]






On Question 2:  Does the Dillon use a  spring and ball to pop the shell plate into the detent position with a jerk?  That's what causes that probem with the RCBS machine.  I complained to RCBS and they sent me a spring much lighter in gauge to replace the original.  It works great, but the trade off is that the detent position isn't quite so definite.  I haven't had a problem with that.  The shell plate still stops where it should, things still sync up, and no more powder jumps out.
10/31/2009 9:06:01 AM EDT
[#6]

snip half a turn off the spring under the ball bearing, that under the shell plate....


http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=584


bearing trick....

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86570


I've done both these mods and my 650 is very smooth now.
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